Is the ACLU really Anti-Christian

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    Is the ACLU really Anti-Christian above all else or is it merely pro-civil liberties?
    Check out the following cases:

    ACLU of Louisiana Files Lawsuit to Protect Free Speech Rights of Christian Protestor

    http://www.aclu.org/freespeech/protest/27266prs20061027.html

    ACLU Supports Right of Iowa Students to Distribute Christian Literature at School

    http://www.aclu.org/studentsrights/religion/12811prs20020711.html

    ACLU of Rhode Island Files Appeal on Behalf of Christian Prisoner Barred from Preaching at Religious Services

    http://www.aclu.org/religion/frb/23445prs20060112.html

    After ACLU Intervention on Behalf of Christian Valedictorian, Michigan High School Agrees to Stop Censoring Religious Yearbook Entries

    http://www.aclu.org/studentsrights/expression/12845prs20040511.html

    ACLU of Michigan Defends Catholic Man Coerced to Convert to Pentecostal Faith in Drug Rehab Program

    http://www.aclu.org/religion/govtfunding/22354prs20051206.html

    Shucks. After I really read some of the cases involving civil liberties, the ACLU, and Christianity, it is clear to me that the ACLU is not necessarily anti-Christian – no matter what some right-wing extremist “Christians” organizations would want you to believe.

    Oh, no. A group like the ACLU finds that a non-Christian is treated unfairly, runs to the non-Christian’s side and all hell breaks loose thanks to the “700 Club” and the ACLJ. LOL.
     
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    Matts, how many cases did they file over this time period? Just curious.
     
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    You gotta hand it to this guy ..... his arguments are consistently dishonest BS. The ACLU takes a few cases every so often to keep up the appearance of equality, when that is CLEARLY not their agenda.
     
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    Its a communist organization, of course its anti Christian. Its anti any religion, although they have no problem using any religion christian or other to further their marxist agenda.
     
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    Even if the ACLU is on the non-Christian side more often than it is on the Christian side, it does not mean that the ACLU is anti-Christian. It may very well be that the Christian side was being unfair to the non-Christian side. I still contend that the ACLU does not have a pro-Christian or anti-Christian agenda. It is merely interested in protecting civil liberties. Its agenda is to defend and protect civil liberties for all people – Christian and non-Christian alike.
     
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    In 1940, the ACLU formally barred communists from leadership or staff positions, and would take the position that it did not want communists as members either. The board declared that it was "inappropriate for any person to serve on the governing committees of the Union or its staff, who is a member of any political organization which supports totalitarian dictatorship in any country, or who by his public declarations indicates his support of such a principle." The purge, which was led by Baldwin, himself a former supporter of Communism, began with the ouster of Elizabeth Gurley Flynn, a member of both the Communist Party of the USA and the IWW.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ACLU
     
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    "merely interested in protecting civil liberties"? Sure thing matts. You really are a blue-sky believer, aren't you? Here's another example, about some kids singing "Away in the Manger". It's just another one of those great "civil liberties" actions by the ACLU:

     
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    You contend incorrectly. The ACLU clearly has an anti-Christian agenda.
     
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    Oh course you picked a case up from the ACLJ web site http://www.aclj.org/TrialNotebook/Read.aspx?id=430 and the ACLJ is unbiased and pure as the newly fallen snow. Did you research the ACLU side of the issue? Also in attendance were three lawyers, including our Senior Counsel from the American Center for Law and Justice. Why were so many lawyers there? It seems like this was a staged even to get the ACLU’s attention. But isn’t it ridiculous that three lawyers had to monitor what fifth and sixth graders would be singing at the school’s event? Why the extra commentary? Can’t we merely stick with the facts?

    To play fair, consider a similar case from the ACLU’s perspective:

    http://www.aclu.org/religion/schools/26946prs20060927.html

    ACLU of Tennessee Fights for Religious Freedom in Wilson County Public School

    NASHVILLE - Acting on behalf of a Wilson County family, the American Civil Liberties Union of Tennessee today asked a federal court to end practices by teachers and other officials that put pressure on students to engage in religious activities at Lakeview Elementary School.

    The ACLU said it is bringing the lawsuit after repeated attempts by the family to end the school-sponsored religious activities, which they believe interfere with their right to religious freedom.

    “It is unfortunate that we had to go to court to protect religious freedom but we had no other choice. We are pursuing this lawsuit so that Wilson County residents can decide for themselves whether or not they want to practice a particular religious faith,” said ACLU of Tennessee Executive Director Hedy Weinberg.

    School administrators repeatedly disregarded the family’s requests and continued to promote and sponsor activities like “Prayer at the Flag Pole” and “Praying Parents,” whose members enter classrooms and tell students that they have prayed for them. Rather than taking the family’s requests seriously, the school administrators encouraged the family to withdraw their child from the school.

    In the lawsuit, the ACLU of Tennessee argues that the pattern and practice of promoting and endorsing religious activities by the Wilson County public school system is unconstitutional. In addition to “Praying Parents” and “Prayer at the Flag Pole,” the Wilson County school system promotes a range of religious activities, including a National Day of Prayer event and teacher-led classroom prayers, according to the lawsuit.

    “Families have the right to decide for themselves whether to pray, when to pray, how to pray, and where to pray. It is the role of the family not the public school to make those very personal decisions,” added Weinberg. “By promoting their own personal beliefs, Lakeview officials are broadcasting a divisive message to the religiously pluralistic community of Wilson County.”

    The ACLU filed today’s lawsuit, John Doe and Jane Doe v. Wilson County School System, in the United States District Court for the Middle District of Tennessee. The family wishes to remain anonymous because they fear for their child’s safety. The ACLU said the fact that the family does not want to be identified for fear of reprisals further demonstrates the divisions created in a community when the government takes sides on religious issues.
     
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    The public has the right to religious free expression in public places. Tell me where in the Constitution it says they don't. The child was not being forced to engage in any religious activities if he didn't want to. He could have gotten excused from the activity. He probably could have gone into another room and said prayers to the ACLU if he wanted. This is just another example of tyranny of the minority with the ACLU leading the way against Christian expression.
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