NYcarbineer
Diamond Member
Let's recall one other point of interest.
The country called the Confederate States of America surrendered UNCONDITIONALLY.
The country called the Confederate States of America surrendered UNCONDITIONALLY.
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Let's recall one other point of interest.
The country called the Confederate States of America surrendered UNCONDITIONALLY.
DID the States ratify the Constitution creating the Federal Government only upon condition that the Constitution carefully limit the powers thereby granted to the Federal government?
I could add, "yes or no?" -- but that "question" would be a false dilemma. The ANSWER is, "yes."
Now IF that's the case and it is), then what do those of you who claim that secession is flatly illegal say can be done about it if and when the Federal Government transgresses those clearly delimited boundaries?
SOME of you stake out the position that there can be resort to thje Court system. Ultimately, that means the SCOTUS. But if the highest FEDERAL Court "sides" with those who are trampling Constitutional limits on Federal power in the first place, THEN what do you say can be done about it?
Is your "answer" REALLY that there's nothing that can properly and legally be done?
You guys give up too easily.
Legal is only legal if the legal authority to determine legality says its legal. Even you know that.
The residents of states have rights as US citizens. That is inarguable. Secession would inevitably violate those rights. Explain how outright violations of the rights of US citizens could be legal under the Constitution.
The Supremacy clause requires the states to follow federal law. You cannot secede with violating that requirement. Therefore the Constitution DOES prohibit secession. Explicitly.
A assert once again, that there is nothing in the Constitution that forces a state to stay within the union of the United States of America. There is nothing in the Supremacy Clause that prevents it. You need to read the Constitution more carefully. It does not state what you claim it does.
You cannot arbitrarily exempt yourself from state laws, states and their citizens cannot arbitrarily exempt themselves from federal laws. The income tax for example is a constitutional obligation. A state cannot arbitrarily exempt its citizens from paying federal income tax.
The Constitution does not have to say 'you can't secede!!!' in order for secession to be illegal, since the mere act of secession would entail so many other illegalities.
Let's recall one other point of interest.
The country called the Confederate States of America surrendered UNCONDITIONALLY.