Is Romny a real conservative?

1) taxes...yes that would seem to be the case if you want to run these days. You must be for lowering taxes. Of course Obama hasnt really increased taxes has he? No he extended the Bush Tax cuts.
2) From a man who gave you a smaller version of the national healthcare bill. Right you keep on believing that meme. Again we can point to the fact that under Obama we have 500k jobs gone in the public sector, We have military budget cuts, but sadly not much in the way of other cuts that amount to much.
3)No he isn't anti- And is on record stating he would replace Obama's healthcare with his own version. You know Obamacare thats modeled after the one he made. At most he stated he would give the states waivers. Its amusing you think he would be any different in this area. Government really isnt the reason for high costs here in the states, but you keep on thinking that lie.
4) Yes they both do
5) yes, yes military, The rights sacred cow that no amount of money is enough. Thus what makes your argument worthless. The left wont cut entitlements and you wont cut the military, both of you are part of the problem.
6) its not a states issue, its a federal issue. the 14th covers that.Bigots need to be put down in there place, but Mittens is only playing you there. If it was publically wanted for gay rights he would be for it.
7) yes he was for it before he was against it...I have beach front property to sell you in Arizona if you believe that bullshit.

Most of these are simple wedge issues that won't see the light of day if mittens is elected. You morons fall for it everytime. DOMA will be removed and wont come back. DADT wont be coming back. So outside of wedge issues you will Have Mittens fall in line behind Clinton, Bush and Obama by caring out Wall Streets, bidding. He will be bought by special interest and lobbyists. ( which are same exact ones Obama was bought with)

You will have slight differences in policies, but an agreement in government power. The real power. Like NDAA and the Patriot act, but you will ignore the fact Mittens would have done the same as Obama because Gays being able to marry and abortion are more important to you.

Mittens is not a conservative, He is a conservative from Mass, which is basically a liberal anywhere else. Just like Scott Brown, who you morons championed as a tea party conservative, ended up being exactly what we all knew he was. A slightly right leaning liberal from Boston.

you've been played just like the left was played with Obama and this country is poorer for it.

LOL

You have failed to show in anyway that Romney is not a moderate conservative- if anything you have proven my point- though you did try really hard to make him a liberal.

He is not for national healthcare. His position on gay marriage is typical of a moderate conservative... He is for smaller government and lower taxes. He personally is against abortion. He believes in a robust military. He supports safety nets, but is opposed to expanding social welfare...


Lol. again i covered all these things already, why are you just repeating it all over again?
Here is what will happen if he wins. He will sort of push some wedge issues knowing it will go nowhere in congress because the democrats will stall out everything with filibusters. Therefore he will be able to blame the democrats for not working with him. Which will get the people who voted for him behind him more come next election. Meanwhile he will expand our military budget, because morons like you don't realize that spending is part of the problem. He will replace the healthcare law with something else. Thats unless SCOTUS strikes it completely down.
He will use the Ndaa, Patriot act and signing statements to condense MORE power to the executive branch. ( just like Bush and Obama have ). He will continue on with the drone strikes and war on terror as is.
He won't touch DADT nor DOMA ( if removed ), but he will tease you with the idea of doing it. A ban on gay marriage won't happen. Bush pushed this a little and it went nowhere.
Abortion won't be touched period, but again you will be teased with words but no action.

The funny thing is after all is said and done. People like you will say " Mittens was no conservative, and he was rather liberal with his policies."

As if that will absolve you of voting for him now. Just like you retards did and still do with Bush.

God the entertainment alone will be hilarious.

Because you have posted nothing to refute what I have said. Your opinion is just your opinion- as the saying goes, you are entitled to your own opinions, but not your own facts.

You're a fringe character- as a fringe character you think one must be a purest to be a conservative. Romney is a moderate who is definitely right of center. AKA a moderate conservative.
 
No i think in order to be a conservative you should have some key values. Less government ( See nanny state ) Strong decent military ( but not overboard.) Intelligent regulation of private business, Sensible taxes.

Wedge issues are wedge issues and a real conservative knows that while they may disagree with said thing, Government has no role in ordering what people can and can not do.

Mittens is not a conservative, he is not a moderate conservative, He is a moderate liberal at best, who FORCED people to buy health insurance or pay a fine ( it would have been 150$ for me had i stayed in mass without healthcare) via a mandate from the government.

Thats who you are voting for. A government mandating liberal. A conservative, even a moderate would be against that in any form, state or federal.

Again you've been played like a wornout fiddle.

Again, you have provided nothing but your opinion. As to Romneycare? He signed a bill presided over by an 80% liberal democratic legislature. A bill sought after and pushed for by said legislature- He was not king of MA- he was governor. A states right, to govern their own healthcare, is not equal to federal mandates as I am confident we shall soon see when SCOTUS rules later this month.


Romney is a moderate conservative and he will govern like one.

Good op-ed piece
 
No i think in order to be a conservative you should have some key values. Less government ( See nanny state ) Strong decent military ( but not overboard.) Intelligent regulation of private business, Sensible taxes.

Wedge issues are wedge issues and a real conservative knows that while they may disagree with said thing, Government has no role in ordering what people can and can not do.

Mittens is not a conservative, he is not a moderate conservative, He is a moderate liberal at best, who FORCED people to buy health insurance or pay a fine ( it would have been 150$ for me had i stayed in mass without healthcare) via a mandate from the government.

Thats who you are voting for. A government mandating liberal. A conservative, even a moderate would be against that in any form, state or federal.

Again you've been played like a wornout fiddle.

Again, you have provided nothing but your opinion. As to Romneycare? He signed a bill presided over by an 80% liberal democratic legislature. A bill sought after and pushed for by said legislature- He was not king of MA- he was governor. A states right, to govern their own healthcare, is not equal to federal mandates as I am confident we shall soon see when SCOTUS rules later this month.


Romney is a moderate conservative and he will govern like one.

Good op-ed piece

A ‘moderate conservative,’ oh, brother – you might be able to convince yourself of that nonsense but otherwise keep in the rightist echo chamber.
 
No i think in order to be a conservative you should have some key values. Less government ( See nanny state ) Strong decent military ( but not overboard.) Intelligent regulation of private business, Sensible taxes.

Wedge issues are wedge issues and a real conservative knows that while they may disagree with said thing, Government has no role in ordering what people can and can not do.

Mittens is not a conservative, he is not a moderate conservative, He is a moderate liberal at best, who FORCED people to buy health insurance or pay a fine ( it would have been 150$ for me had i stayed in mass without healthcare) via a mandate from the government.

Thats who you are voting for. A government mandating liberal. A conservative, even a moderate would be against that in any form, state or federal.

Again you've been played like a wornout fiddle.

Again, you have provided nothing but your opinion. As to Romneycare? He signed a bill presided over by an 80% liberal democratic legislature. A bill sought after and pushed for by said legislature- He was not king of MA- he was governor. A states right, to govern their own healthcare, is not equal to federal mandates as I am confident we shall soon see when SCOTUS rules later this month.


Romney is a moderate conservative and he will govern like one.

Good op-ed piece

A ‘moderate conservative,’ oh, brother – you might be able to convince yourself of that nonsense but otherwise keep in the rightist echo chamber.

WTF are you yammering about? Almost the entire GOP primary season was about Romney being a moderate conservative and not a TEA Party or Reagan conservative- DOH!

The fact of the matter is that Romney got the nod due to his willingness to be more conservative on certain policy then he may have been in the past-

If he were as liberal as you and plasma claim, then you would like him and could vote for him.
 
How many times does a politician change his coat to appear to be what the voters want?

Once upon a time a Wolf resolved to disguise his appearance in order to secure food more easily. Encased in the skin of a sheep, he pastured with the flock deceiving the shepherd by his costume. In the evening he was shut up by the shepherd in the fold; the gate was closed, and the entrance made thoroughly secure. But the shepherd, returning to the fold during the night to obtain meat for the next day, mistakenly caught up the Wolf instead of a sheep, and killed him instantly.
A wolf in sheep's clothing


It is not a matter of conservatives voting for Obama in the fall, they won't, but whether they will vote for Romney either. If they are principled they will not but it is a two edged sword because then they will enable (possibly) Obama to win again.

But then ... Anyone can change. Reagan used to be a Democrat and union member.
 
Does not matter what libertarians, lefties, or Tea Party have to say about Romney, the moderate conservative.
 
Sure ill get back to after work is over.

Some of the issues that support the notion Romney is a moderate conservative

  • Taxes- reduce federal taxes
  • Government- seeks to reduce the size of government
  • Health care- Anti national health care- but believes it is a states’ right to create a healthcare system for its residents. He would support federal reforms to lower the cost of healthcare.
  • Welfare-Supports federal safety nets
  • Military- supports a robust military
  • Gay marriage- against- but believes it is a states’ rights issue. For equal opportunities, but against changing DOMA
  • Abortion- against- but believes it is a states’ rights issue.

1) taxes...yes that would seem to be the case if you want to run these days. You must be for lowering taxes. Of course Obama hasnt really increased taxes has he? No he extended the Bush Tax cuts.
2) From a man who gave you a smaller version of the national healthcare bill. Right you keep on believing that meme. Again we can point to the fact that under Obama we have 500k jobs gone in the public sector, We have military budget cuts, but sadly not much in the way of other cuts that amount to much.
3)No he isn't anti- And is on record stating he would replace Obama's healthcare with his own version. You know Obamacare thats modeled after the one he made. At most he stated he would give the states waivers. Its amusing you think he would be any different in this area. Government really isnt the reason for high costs here in the states, but you keep on thinking that lie.
4) Yes they both do
5) yes, yes military, The rights sacred cow that no amount of money is enough. Thus what makes your argument worthless. The left wont cut entitlements and you wont cut the military, both of you are part of the problem.
6) its not a states issue, its a federal issue. the 14th covers that.Bigots need to be put down in there place, but Mittens is only playing you there. If it was publically wanted for gay rights he would be for it.
7) yes he was for it before he was against it...I have beach front property to sell you in Arizona if you believe that bullshit.

Most of these are simple wedge issues that won't see the light of day if mittens is elected. You morons fall for it everytime. DOMA will be removed and wont come back. DADT wont be coming back. So outside of wedge issues you will Have Mittens fall in line behind Clinton, Bush and Obama by caring out Wall Streets, bidding. He will be bought by special interest and lobbyists. ( which are same exact ones Obama was bought with)

You will have slight differences in policies, but an agreement in government power. The real power. Like NDAA and the Patriot act, but you will ignore the fact Mittens would have done the same as Obama because Gays being able to marry and abortion are more important to you.

Mittens is not a conservative, He is a conservative from Mass, which is basically a liberal anywhere else. Just like Scott Brown, who you morons championed as a tea party conservative, ended up being exactly what we all knew he was. A slightly right leaning liberal from Boston.

you've been played just like the left was played with Obama and this country is poorer for it.

Romney is in no way leadership material for America. His definition of leadership is wear golden underwear and worship dead people or be a slave to the master race.

The only plan Romney has for the country is destruction through corporate fascism.

Romney also supports communism or he would not send jobs to China while his own people suffer with unemployment.

Anyoine that can support the Koch John Birch Society certainly is not thinking American. :mad:
 
jack113 has no idea of what he writes, but he writes passionately about what he does not know. :lol:
 
Romney/Obama? The two Harvard boys are on the same team in the end. Both are Big Government Globalists. But thems the choices people. It is what it is.
 
Whats the alternative?

If you're the GOP and you trot out Romney and people like you vote for him... indeed what is the alternative in 2016, 2020, 2024? Trot out someone different in hopes people you will vote for him/her?

The alternative is that you don't embrace someone who doesn't share your "values" in hopes of getting someone who does 4 years later.

Time for you to retreat to "yeah but" which is all the GOP has left. Sad.

Should they have run Bishop Santorum?

If "Bishop Santorum" is more in line with the party values; yes. I don't think I'm straying too far out on the bough when I make the assertion that the "republicans" here are to the right of where their "party" is. I'd make the challenge that if Romney isn't representative of your values don't vote for him.

Look, John McCain was famous for crossing the aisle and partnering with Democrats when it made sense to do so--more correctly perhaps--when it made career sense for him to do so.

The GOP made the moderate McCain their nominee in 2008. So gee whiz, in 2012, the GOP basically strong-arms Romney into the leadership position during the primaries.

And some here wonder about how "they" ended up with "such shitty choices". Well, quit voting for shit and you won't get shit handed to you.

Which is why I am always amused at the "tough guy" pussies on this board who swear they are the very embodiment of uncommon patriotism, valor, truth, justice, and the American way...then capitulate like the vaginal discharge they are when they will pull the lever for Romney in November.
 
Like a vote for Obama is a vote for America ... There will only be 2 choices (a vote for a third party candidate is a vote for Obama) ... A vote for Romney is not only a vote for someone that sees things more my way, but as a bonus it's also a vote to get the worst Prez in history of this country out of office ... Now that's worth getting all red white and blue about
 
Like a vote for Obama is a vote for America ... There will only be 2 choices (a vote for a third party candidate is a vote for Obama) ... A vote for Romney is not only a vote for someone that sees things more my way, but as a bonus it's also a vote to get the worst Prez in history of this country out of office ... Now that's worth getting all red white and blue about

That's simply not true. In fact, it's a lie to scare us into electing shitty leaders. You can't vote against a candidate - only for. A vote for Romney is a vote for more big government bullshit. So is a vote for Obama.
 
In all honesty, Obama makes me feel the same way I did toward the end of Carter's term ... The sun will shine brighter when Obama is gone. GWB was middle of the road as far as prez in my book
 
We can vote for whoever we like ... Feel free to vote for whoever you feel is a great leader. I don't think either candidate fits the bill ... But there is always the right in option for those that want their vote to not count for squat
 
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I think not but the right will vote for him anyway.
Party first!

Who knows?

Is Romney a moderate who's pretending to be a conservative?

Or was he a conservative who was pretending to be a moderate?

Or does he have no real ideology and is merely an opportunist, a chameleon of sorts, who changes to fit the crowd or the setting? In psychology parlance, that's known as self-monitoring. People who are high in self-monitoring generally take their cues from the people around them in order to know how to better fit in.

Who knows?

But if I had to bet on something (not this), I would bet that conservatives would be happier overall if Romney loses in November. And I say that for two reasons.

To start with, if Romney got elected and didn't toe conservative orthodoxy in all things, the RW would go bonkers. They would scream that they had been betrayed, etc. BUT if Romney loses, conservatives can go throw a political party purge party. And let's face it, conservatives are happiest when they're going after someone. In this case, they could go after a lot of someones. They could go after both the more moderate elements in the party and the people who are seen as having 'betrayed the cause' in some way by foisting Romney on the party.

BYOP (Bring Your Own Pitchfork) A pleasant time is guaranteed for all (except the more moderate members of the GOP, of course).
 
In all honesty, Obama makes me feel the same way I did toward the end of Carter's term ... The sun will shine brighter when Obama is gone. GWB was middle of the road as far as prez in my book

apparently most disagree with you since Bush has the lowest approval rating of any living president.
 

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