Is Real Peace in Palestine Even Possible?

Not according to Pat Buchanan:

"Is there any treaty that could be agreed to, or imposed, that would be acceptable to Israel and the Palestinian Authority on the West Bank, let alone to Hamas, which has emerged from its defiance of one of the most intensive bombardments of modern time with new prestige?

"What are the obvious impediments to such a treaty?

"First, Bibi Netanyahu, who has presided over the expansion of Israel settlements and joined Avigdor Lieberman, a supporter of ethnic cleansing of Israeli Arabs, in a coalition of the Israeli hard right.

"Would Bibi agree to a treaty that required removal of scores of thousands of Israeli settlers from Judea and Samaria, when he opposed Ariel Sharon’s withdrawal of a few thousand settlers from Gaza?

"Would Bibi agree to Jerusalem becoming the capital of Palestine as well as Israel, a non-negotiable demand of Arab nations?

"Could a Palestinian Authority that gives up all rights to Jerusalem survive?"

A Mirage of Mideast Peace | The American Conservative

How would American national interests be undermined by staying out of a conflict we have no chance of resolving?

The article is correct in saying there are no prospects for a lasting formal peace in the ME, but the situation for Israel is not nearly so dire as the suggests because none of Israel's enemies, individually or in concert, is strong enough to overcome Israel's military, and for this reason the prospects for long lasting periods of peacefulness are quite good.

The cost to America of trying to maintain peacefulness among Israel and its neighbors is dwarfed by the cost of maintaining enormous military deployments of US troops to defend our allies in the Pacific such as South Korea and Japan or our allies in Europe, and the rationale behind US efforts to maintain peacefulness in the region is that if the US abandons the region, others step up to fill the power vacuum which are hostile to US interests. This is what happened in the 1950's when the US had a hands off policy toward the ME and France and Britain recruited Israel to take Sinai, and in the 1960's and 1970's before the US made a commitment to peacefulness in the ME and the Soviet Union moved in to foment wars that nearly drew the US into military confrontations with the Soviet Union.

If America's other allies were as capable of defending their interests as well as ours as Israel is with only a few billion dollars of aid, the cost of foreign policy would be much lower and many fewer US troops would have to be put in harm's way.
 
For peace in Israel and Palestine, the following must happen:
1. American Occupation of both countries.
2. Forced re-education and installation of American beliefs and values upon the population.
3. Those that resist must force fed American made Chicken & Dumplins and piping hot Apple Pie.

In the end, all will be well.

P.S. There will be some tragic deaths of people from sicknesses such as water on the lungs, .............. but and autopsy will reveal that it was actually DUMPLINS ON THE LUNGS !!!
 
1) Palestine doesn't exist

2) Peace won't exist until the arabs want it. That has not been the case.
 
when I was in the navy----chicken and dumplings at least three times per week------I was the only person who LIKED THAT STUFF
 
Stop stealing Arab land and water.
Stop killing Arab children for land and water.
Declare your Eastern border.

Simple answers.


Stop fucking lying you son of bitch.
Under UN 181 which Jews accepted and Arabs rejected the Jews were entitled to 55% of the land of Mandate Palestine. After the '48 war, Jews acquired about 60% of the proposed Arab state. After the '67 bloodletting Jews tripled the size of their territorial holdings while subjugating another million Arabs to Jewish law. Apparently, Jews believe their "god" wants them to rule all the land between the Jordan River and Mediterranean Sea. Now that's a fucking lie!

The arabs probably shouldn't have tried to annihilate the country several times.

Too late for them to cry over spilled land :eusa_boohoo:
 
anybody know of a place in the world with a significant muslim population that has ever
MAINTAINED PEACE? I mean real peace----the nice kind----not the one that involves
POGROMS to keep the 'others' down-------or the kind that involves beheadings every tueday and friday--------or the kind that involves BE MUSLIM OR DIE.......
 
:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

They murder boat loads of Christians in the Sudan but all the press cares about is Israel building walls and boarding ships in order to protect themselves.

Wouldn't it be nice if people just minded their own business, like a fiscal cliff that will soon render them impostent to do anything about anything?
How is the alleged fiscal "cliff" worsened by cutting Israel off from any more US tax dollars?

You should talk that proposal over with the tooth fairy next time you meet her.
Is that a kosher fairy?

"Israel is the largest cumulative recipient of U.S. foreign assistance since World War II. To date,
the United States has provided Israel $115 billion in bilateral assistance.

"Almost all U.S. bilateral aid to Israel is in the form of military assistance, although in the past Israel also received significant economic assistance.

"Strong congressional support for Israel has resulted in Israel
receiving benefits not available to any other countries; for example, Israel can use some U.S.
military assistance both for research and development in the United States and for military
purchases from Israeli manufacturers.

"In addition, all U.S. assistance earmarked for Israel is
delivered in the first 30 days of the fiscal year, while most other recipients normally receive aid in
installments.

"In addition to receiving U.S. State Department-administered foreign assistance,
Israel also receives funds from annual defense appropriations bills for joint U.S.-Israeli missile
defense programs.

"In 2007, the Bush Administration and the Israeli government agreed to a 10-year, $30 billion..."

When do you expect the "chosen people" to stand on their own two feet?

http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/mideast/RL33222.pdf
 
nobody seems to want to discuss my very important and intelligent PROPOSAL-----the INTERNATIONALIZATION OF MECCA AND MEDINA

A one world religion?


No----simple MUTUAL UNDERSTANDING and HISTORY
Mecca was ----long ago, a bustling city ----with a VERY DIVERSE population
with INTERNATIONAL CONNECTIONS etc etc Medina was a largely
Jewish city -----and NO DOUBT---buried in its sands are tens of thousands
of manuscripts which can reveal the HISTORY of pre islamic arabia Did
you know that there is a form of ARABIC ---written in Hebrew letters?
It could very well PRECEDE the present written arabic Jews did that
kind of thing wherever they lived. There is a form of FARSI in Hebrew
letters too and ----spanish etc etc Did you know that jews have a
weird habit of storing old books and manuscripts in containers either
under ground or in caves Jews had to FLEE yathrib/medina and
doubtless buried all kinds of good stuff

No it wasn't largely a Jewish city......LMAO.....it was always an Arabic city and the Jews in it were Arabs....:cool:

Everything you said is theoretical....don't play the "what if" game
 
I was born in 1949. As long as I can remember Israel has been fighting the Arabs. As long as I can remember Israel has maintained that they can do anything they want under the cloak of "security" and because of the holocaust they have to take a hard line.

IMO Israel should have never been formed. The jews should have been repatriated to the countries they were run out of and given back all the property that was taken from them with crushing high cash payments as punishment from those that participated in the holocaust. Escentially Germany, Poland and Austria should be owned by the jews for what they did to them in and before WWII.

The existance of an Israeli state in the ME is an insult to the Arabs as THEY payed the cost for what happened to the Jews in WWII and THEY had nothing to do with it.

Another stupid remark from a Pro- Palestinian. The formation of the Jewish State was thought of long before WW 11:badgrin:
When there were thousands of Arabs living on the land of today's Jewish state.
What is Israel's Eastern border, BTW?

BTW, BTW, what are any of Israel's borders?
 
World opinion is moving toward the enforcement of international law.

So peace seems to be on the way.
 
when I was in the navy----chicken and dumplings at least three times per week------I was the only person who LIKED THAT STUFF

Well those that don't embrace American beliefs and values soon, will get it shoved down there throat by the heal of an American Soldiers boot.......... and they will EAT IT UNTIL THEY LOVE IT!!!!!!
 
Not according to Pat Buchanan:

"Is there any treaty that could be agreed to, or imposed, that would be acceptable to Israel and the Palestinian Authority on the West Bank, let alone to Hamas, which has emerged from its defiance of one of the most intensive bombardments of modern time with new prestige?

"What are the obvious impediments to such a treaty?

"First, Bibi Netanyahu, who has presided over the expansion of Israel settlements and joined Avigdor Lieberman, a supporter of ethnic cleansing of Israeli Arabs, in a coalition of the Israeli hard right.

"Would Bibi agree to a treaty that required removal of scores of thousands of Israeli settlers from Judea and Samaria, when he opposed Ariel Sharon’s withdrawal of a few thousand settlers from Gaza?

"Would Bibi agree to Jerusalem becoming the capital of Palestine as well as Israel, a non-negotiable demand of Arab nations?

"Could a Palestinian Authority that gives up all rights to Jerusalem survive?"

A Mirage of Mideast Peace | The American Conservative

How would American national interests be undermined by staying out of a conflict we have no chance of resolving?

The article is correct in saying there are no prospects for a lasting formal peace in the ME, but the situation for Israel is not nearly so dire as the suggests because none of Israel's enemies, individually or in concert, is strong enough to overcome Israel's military, and for this reason the prospects for long lasting periods of peacefulness are quite good.

The cost to America of trying to maintain peacefulness among Israel and its neighbors is dwarfed by the cost of maintaining enormous military deployments of US troops to defend our allies in the Pacific such as South Korea and Japan or our allies in Europe, and the rationale behind US efforts to maintain peacefulness in the region is that if the US abandons the region, others step up to fill the power vacuum which are hostile to US interests. This is what happened in the 1950's when the US had a hands off policy toward the ME and France and Britain recruited Israel to take Sinai, and in the 1960's and 1970's before the US made a commitment to peacefulness in the ME and the Soviet Union moved in to foment wars that nearly drew the US into military confrontations with the Soviet Union.

If America's other allies were as capable of defending their interests as well as ours as Israel is with only a few billion dollars of aid, the cost of foreign policy would be much lower and many fewer US troops would have to be put in harm's way.
Have you ever heard the expression "whistling past the graveyard?"

"Israel now looks north to a Lebanon where Hezbollah possesses more and better rockets than the metal-shop jobs Hamas fired off. Beyond lies a powerful Turkey whose prime minister just declared Israel a 'terrorist' state.

"To the northeast lies Syria, where the 40-year truce on the Golan is unlikely to last after Bashar al-Assad falls and is replaced by a Sunni regime rooted in the Muslim Brotherhood, or becomes a failed state saturated with jihadists and loose chemical weapons.

"To the east lies Jordan, wracked by riots, a monarchy that looks to be a candidate for an Arab Spring uprising.

"To the south and west are Hamas, a Sinai that is a no man’s land, and an Egypt dominated by the Brotherhood, millions of whose people would like to see the Israeli peace treaty trashed.

"Israel is as isolated as she has been in a region that is more hostile to her presence than perhaps at any time since the war of ’48."

A Mirage of Mideast Peace | The American Conservative
 
For peace in Israel and Palestine, the following must happen:
1. American Occupation of both countries.
2. Forced re-education and installation of American beliefs and values upon the population.
3. Those that resist must force fed American made Chicken & Dumplins and piping hot Apple Pie.

In the end, all will be well.

P.S. There will be some tragic deaths of people from sicknesses such as water on the lungs, .............. but and autopsy will reveal that it was actually DUMPLINS ON THE LUNGS !!!

It worked in Europe.
 
1) Palestine doesn't exist

2) Peace won't exist until the arabs want it. That has not been the case.
"His Majesty's government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country."

Balfour Declaration - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
How is the alleged fiscal "cliff" worsened by cutting Israel off from any more US tax dollars?

You should talk that proposal over with the tooth fairy next time you meet her.
Is that a kosher fairy?

"Israel is the largest cumulative recipient of U.S. foreign assistance since World War II. To date,
the United States has provided Israel $115 billion in bilateral assistance.

"Almost all U.S. bilateral aid to Israel is in the form of military assistance, although in the past Israel also received significant economic assistance.

"Strong congressional support for Israel has resulted in Israel
receiving benefits not available to any other countries; for example, Israel can use some U.S.
military assistance both for research and development in the United States and for military
purchases from Israeli manufacturers.

"In addition, all U.S. assistance earmarked for Israel is
delivered in the first 30 days of the fiscal year, while most other recipients normally receive aid in
installments.

"In addition to receiving U.S. State Department-administered foreign assistance,
Israel also receives funds from annual defense appropriations bills for joint U.S.-Israeli missile
defense programs.

"In 2007, the Bush Administration and the Israeli government agreed to a 10-year, $30 billion..."

When do you expect the "chosen people" to stand on their own two feet?

http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/mideast/RL33222.pdf

Dwarfed by the cost of maintaining massive US military deployments to defend our allies like South Korea and Japan in the East and our allies in Europe. Were our other allies as capable of defending their interests and ours with only this little bit of military aid, the cost of America's foreign policy would be much lower and many fewer US troops would have to be put in harm's way.
 
Not according to Pat Buchanan:

"Is there any treaty that could be agreed to, or imposed, that would be acceptable to Israel and the Palestinian Authority on the West Bank, let alone to Hamas, which has emerged from its defiance of one of the most intensive bombardments of modern time with new prestige?

"What are the obvious impediments to such a treaty?

"First, Bibi Netanyahu, who has presided over the expansion of Israel settlements and joined Avigdor Lieberman, a supporter of ethnic cleansing of Israeli Arabs, in a coalition of the Israeli hard right.

"Would Bibi agree to a treaty that required removal of scores of thousands of Israeli settlers from Judea and Samaria, when he opposed Ariel Sharon’s withdrawal of a few thousand settlers from Gaza?

"Would Bibi agree to Jerusalem becoming the capital of Palestine as well as Israel, a non-negotiable demand of Arab nations?

"Could a Palestinian Authority that gives up all rights to Jerusalem survive?"

A Mirage of Mideast Peace | The American Conservative

How would American national interests be undermined by staying out of a conflict we have no chance of resolving?

The article is correct in saying there are no prospects for a lasting formal peace in the ME, but the situation for Israel is not nearly so dire as the suggests because none of Israel's enemies, individually or in concert, is strong enough to overcome Israel's military, and for this reason the prospects for long lasting periods of peacefulness are quite good.

The cost to America of trying to maintain peacefulness among Israel and its neighbors is dwarfed by the cost of maintaining enormous military deployments of US troops to defend our allies in the Pacific such as South Korea and Japan or our allies in Europe, and the rationale behind US efforts to maintain peacefulness in the region is that if the US abandons the region, others step up to fill the power vacuum which are hostile to US interests. This is what happened in the 1950's when the US had a hands off policy toward the ME and France and Britain recruited Israel to take Sinai, and in the 1960's and 1970's before the US made a commitment to peacefulness in the ME and the Soviet Union moved in to foment wars that nearly drew the US into military confrontations with the Soviet Union.

If America's other allies were as capable of defending their interests as well as ours as Israel is with only a few billion dollars of aid, the cost of foreign policy would be much lower and many fewer US troops would have to be put in harm's way.
Have you ever heard the expression "whistling past the graveyard?"

"Israel now looks north to a Lebanon where Hezbollah possesses more and better rockets than the metal-shop jobs Hamas fired off. Beyond lies a powerful Turkey whose prime minister just declared Israel a 'terrorist' state.

"To the northeast lies Syria, where the 40-year truce on the Golan is unlikely to last after Bashar al-Assad falls and is replaced by a Sunni regime rooted in the Muslim Brotherhood, or becomes a failed state saturated with jihadists and loose chemical weapons.

"To the east lies Jordan, wracked by riots, a monarchy that looks to be a candidate for an Arab Spring uprising.

"To the south and west are Hamas, a Sinai that is a no man’s land, and an Egypt dominated by the Brotherhood, millions of whose people would like to see the Israeli peace treaty trashed.

"Israel is as isolated as she has been in a region that is more hostile to her presence than perhaps at any time since the war of ’48."

A Mirage of Mideast Peace | The American Conservative
I dont really understand the point of this post georgie. Are you saying Israel should fear her neighbors? If hezbollah ever decides to launch rockets into Israel again, all Nasrallah needs to do is look at a google map of souther Lebanon after the 2006 war.
 
Not according to Pat Buchanan:

"Is there any treaty that could be agreed to, or imposed, that would be acceptable to Israel and the Palestinian Authority on the West Bank, let alone to Hamas, which has emerged from its defiance of one of the most intensive bombardments of modern time with new prestige?

"What are the obvious impediments to such a treaty?

"First, Bibi Netanyahu, who has presided over the expansion of Israel settlements and joined Avigdor Lieberman, a supporter of ethnic cleansing of Israeli Arabs, in a coalition of the Israeli hard right.

"Would Bibi agree to a treaty that required removal of scores of thousands of Israeli settlers from Judea and Samaria, when he opposed Ariel Sharon’s withdrawal of a few thousand settlers from Gaza?

"Would Bibi agree to Jerusalem becoming the capital of Palestine as well as Israel, a non-negotiable demand of Arab nations?

"Could a Palestinian Authority that gives up all rights to Jerusalem survive?"

A Mirage of Mideast Peace | The American Conservative

How would American national interests be undermined by staying out of a conflict we have no chance of resolving?

The article is correct in saying there are no prospects for a lasting formal peace in the ME, but the situation for Israel is not nearly so dire as the suggests because none of Israel's enemies, individually or in concert, is strong enough to overcome Israel's military, and for this reason the prospects for long lasting periods of peacefulness are quite good.

The cost to America of trying to maintain peacefulness among Israel and its neighbors is dwarfed by the cost of maintaining enormous military deployments of US troops to defend our allies in the Pacific such as South Korea and Japan or our allies in Europe, and the rationale behind US efforts to maintain peacefulness in the region is that if the US abandons the region, others step up to fill the power vacuum which are hostile to US interests. This is what happened in the 1950's when the US had a hands off policy toward the ME and France and Britain recruited Israel to take Sinai, and in the 1960's and 1970's before the US made a commitment to peacefulness in the ME and the Soviet Union moved in to foment wars that nearly drew the US into military confrontations with the Soviet Union.

If America's other allies were as capable of defending their interests as well as ours as Israel is with only a few billion dollars of aid, the cost of foreign policy would be much lower and many fewer US troops would have to be put in harm's way.
Have you ever heard the expression "whistling past the graveyard?"

"Israel now looks north to a Lebanon where Hezbollah possesses more and better rockets than the metal-shop jobs Hamas fired off. Beyond lies a powerful Turkey whose prime minister just declared Israel a 'terrorist' state.

"To the northeast lies Syria, where the 40-year truce on the Golan is unlikely to last after Bashar al-Assad falls and is replaced by a Sunni regime rooted in the Muslim Brotherhood, or becomes a failed state saturated with jihadists and loose chemical weapons.

"To the east lies Jordan, wracked by riots, a monarchy that looks to be a candidate for an Arab Spring uprising.

"To the south and west are Hamas, a Sinai that is a no man’s land, and an Egypt dominated by the Brotherhood, millions of whose people would like to see the Israeli peace treaty trashed.

"Israel is as isolated as she has been in a region that is more hostile to her presence than perhaps at any time since the war of ’48."

A Mirage of Mideast Peace | The American Conservative

Whistle all you want, but from your perspective it won't be a happy tune, since no combination of Israel's enemies has the potential to defeat the Jewish state. Israel has the world's most effective air defense system and within two years it will be able to handle anything any of its enemies can throw at it as easily as it handled the 1,500 + rockets Gaza fired at it. Its home front defense is superior to that of any other country in the world. Each home or apartment built in Israel since 1991 is required by law to have a safe room capable of withstanding a direct hit by these rockets and there are numerous public shelters and more being built all the time.

Israel's enemies are capable of making a lot of noise but not of doing much harm.
 

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