Is Our Soon to be First Lady a Positive Role Model

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Would you want your daughters to do what Melania Trump has done?

  1. I don't care if she posed like a two-bit whore. She's Hot

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  3. I want my daughter to mimic Melania

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  1. Russ Alllah Gehry
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    Please, he golfed more than governed
     
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    You stated jewelry, I guess you are a looney liberal, at least your childish games amuse me.
     
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    the daughter was whoring jewelry. Melania was whoring her bod

    not that there's anything wrong with that


    but does that make her a role model for young women you know?
     
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    I never made any First Lady a role model. I don't think athletes, actors, actresses, singers, politicians or famous people as good role models.
     
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    And...?
     
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    Obama golfed and played basketball, not sure of the point.
     
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    Marc J. Randazza is a Las Vegas-based First Amendment attorney and managing partner of the Randazza Legal Group. Follow him on Twitter: @marcorandazza. The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of the author.

    (CNN)During the presidential campaign, Donald Trump famously fired a broadside at the First Amendment by promising to "open up the libel laws." Today, his wife, Melania Trump, has a case pending against writers who she says defamed her, and some speculate that this is only the beginning of the Trump family war on the First Amendment.

    But is it really? I don't think so.

    Let's look at this case:

    In their zeal to tear Donald Trump down, some attack his wife. (Even the Mafia doesn't attack wives or children; many of those who hate Donald Trump fail to reach the mob's decency level.) So, given our profound national commitment to freedom of expression, Melania Trump will need to have thick skin as the wife of a president.

    She may not need to this time.

    In 1964, Justice William Brennan wrote, in the landmark defamation case New York Times v. Sullivan, that our Constitution demands that "debate on public issues should be uninhibited, robust, and wide-open, and that it may well include vehement, caustic, and sometimes unpleasantly sharp attacks on government and public officials."

    Because of that, someone like Melania Trump cannot win a defamation claim unless she proves "actual malice." As I explained in an article last February, this test has nothing to do with our everyday understanding of the word "malice." It means that the defendant -- the writers, in this case -- published the statement knowing it was false or with a reckless disregard for the truth.

    Establishing this is a challenge, but not one that we have deemed insurmountable, as the Sullivan decision left adequate legal space for even the most famous plaintiff to prevail.

    In the Maryland case, Melania Trump accepted the Sullivan challenge and brought suit against the UK-based Daily Mail and an American blogger, Webster Tarpley. Both had reported that she previously worked as an escort -- a claim she credibly denies.

    Despite anything that one might want to say about her husband, falsely accusing Melania Trump of being, essentially, a prostitute is (and should be) legally sanctionable.

    Americans should have broad latitude to criticize, mock, and investigate public figures. However, that does not mean that there are no limits. Even Justice Brennan did not go that far.

    It's telling that Melania Trump didn't sue the Daily Mail in the UK. The UK has a much lower standard for proving defamation, and it would have been a friendlier place to bring the claim. It's hard to imagine that her expensive lawyers didn't consider that. That they likely did suggests a high degree of confidence that she was confident confronting Sullivan head-on.

    And what about the US-based Tarpley? He wrote in a statement in September that "her lawsuit is a blatant attempt to intimidate not only me, but journalists of all stripes into remaining silent with regard to public figures" and that the "lawsuit is a direct affront to First Amendment principles and free speech in our democratic society."

    Tarpley is over-playing his hand. I haven't seen anyone shy about criticizing any of the Trumps. Nobody appears to have been "silent." This case, if successful, will do no violence to the First Amendment, nor will any responsible writer likely fear the Trumps. You can say whatever you like about Mrs. Trump, if it is your opinion, or even a reasonably-sourced erroneous statement of fact.

    But Tarpley may have trouble on that score: he raises the defense that he was "only repeating rumors" about Melania Trump. While "rumors" are not a reasonable source, some courts recognize the defense of "neutral reportage." That defense lets you get away with sourcing a "rumor," but only if you report it as such, and the publication is "reasonable."

    Is that the case here? If I were defending him, I wouldn't want to rely on that defense.
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    Did you just bring my family into this?
     
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    you must have loved Obama
     
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    What is that has anything to do with your fascination to FLOTUS?
    People liked and admired her because she is pretty. Fuck me.
     

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