Is Obama Using The IRS to Silence Opposition?

[logical4u]

Is Obama Using The IRS to Silence Opposition?

You can't expect Obama to do what you expect Republicans to do. Seems he's better than that. They seem to be too blinded by his skin color to notice.

Where was "race" mentioned? Why is it when you have policies that are absolute failures, that you want to focus on "birth control", "race", education (that is worse off under 50 years of a democrat run system), homosexual additional rights, occupy whatever thugs, etc, etc, etc?

 

[Flopper]

The organization filed form 1024 requesting tax exempt status. The questions may or may not be out of line depending on how the organization completed part II of the form which asks for a rather extensive narrative of the activities of the organization. Since this thread is purely political, my guess is the IRS questions are proper. IMHO, the IRS should be asking a lot of detailed questions before granting tax exempt status to any organization.

PART II. (of form 1024)
Provide a detailed narrative description of all the activities of the organization—past, present, and planned. Do not merely refer to or repeat the language in the organizational document. List each activity separately in the order of importance based on the relative time and other resources devoted to the activity. Indicate the percentage of time for each activity. Each description should include, as a minimum, the following: (a) a detailed description of the activity including its purpose and how each activity furthers your exempt purpose; (b) when the activity was or will be initiated; and (c) where and by whom the activity will be conducted.

 

[Salt Jones]

Wow, another "poor white conservative whoa is me" thread.
Hahahaha.

 

[sfcalifornia]

No one in any of these links seems to cite any evidence that the documents are motivated by the ideology of the groups they were sent to, or that groups with different ideologies have not received similar letters. We just see multiple conservative groups who feel compelled to "wonder" if they are being persecuted. I would guess the answer is "no", since the standard form for requesting tax-exempt status asks for some or all of this information and plenty more besides (http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f1023.pdf)

As for the "evidence" it seems quite suspect. The "document" provided is actually a document produced by the Ohio Liberty Council with portions of what appears to be a document from the IRS pasted into it. There are no mentions of demands, only of requests. Further, the Liberty Council's text (which also includes basic grammar errors) claims that the IRS Exempt Organizations will ask this information of "you" the individual reading their document. This seems to be completely false and indeed nonsensical, calling into question the entire narrative crafted.

We hear from conservatives all the time, don't we.....

If it's not the IRS, it's the media, the activist judges, universities......

 

[Oldstyle]

Sorry fellow conservatives but I'm not buying into many of the "conspiracy" threads like this. Not because I don't think that progressives would LOVE to use the IRS to go after folks on the Right but because I don't think they are competent enough to actually try it and get away with it for any length of time. All you have to do is look at things like Fast & Furious and Solyndra to know that.

It reminds me of all the threads posted by liberals about how stupid W. was only to be followed up by threads about how he'd pulled off an elaborate conspiracy to steal an election from some poor Democrat. It's either one or the other...

 

[Clementine]

Namely the TEA Party...

Many of us joke about being audited by the IRS because our views are not in sync with the White House. President Obama himself has even joked about it back in 2009, when a visit to Arizona State University caused many to speak up against the President receiving an honorary degree:

Obama threatens Tax Audits - YouTube

That was back in 2009. And it was a joke, right?
Or was it?
In just the past week, we have received emails from various Tea Party groups around the country alerting us to the oppressive demands being sent to them from the IRS.
And so we ask the question: Is the Obama administration using the IRS to wage a war against opposition voices like the Tea Party?

One of the groups currently dealing with the government’s overreach is the Ohio Liberty Council Corp.

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What has the IRS demanded?

A hard copy printout of the website – A PDF file emailed to the IRS will not suffice (and this is the high-tech Administration)
List all Social Media outlets being used (Facebook, Twitter, etc) and include hard copy printouts of every posting
A narrative description of every activity of your organization since June 30, 2010 (filing date) – And they do not want a mere description of the event, but full details – including; who conducted it, their qualifications, who was allowed to take part in the activities and how they were selected, was there a fee? (how much)
The IRS also wants to know about the members of the group and their roles and more, asking specifically for the “name, address, and corporate federal ID of all organizations that are members of our organization”
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But wait, there’s more.

Public events are also under scrutiny with the IRS demanding to know the time, location and content schedule of each event.
Copies of any and all handouts must be included.
Names and credentials of all instructors and copies of any workshop materials used.
All speakers must be identified and copies of every speech must be included.

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So what gives? Are there any other groups out there being treated like this? Is this a page out of the Clinton Administration on steroids?

Are groups that are sympatico with Obama going though this? Bet alot of you didn't know this was going on, did you?

Ah Our lovely media...

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Read the rest HERE​

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The Wall Street Occupoopers were given a lot of money. One donation to the NY poopers was over $800,000. They also went door to door soliciting and lied to people about why they were collecting money. If ever a situation screamed for an audit, this is it. But, it's more fun to pick on their enemies.

The tea party members rented areas for their parties, paid their way and cleaned up after themselves. Of course, this upsets the left and they still bash them. Just can't compete with a bunch of filthy campers having sex in the streets, pooping on cars, doing drugs, raping, assaulting and at least one murder.

I'm betting the Tea Party kept better records of the money donated, but it's bull what the IRS is asking for.

 

[American Horse]

I note there was no actual evidence offered that the claims of IRS activity were factual, e.g. copies of letters from the agency making these demands.

like this?:

Former White House Counsel to IRS: Pull Media Matters’ Tax-Exempt Status

C. Boyden Gray, former White House counsel to President George H.W. Bush, filed a civilian complaint with the IRS against the nonprofit Media Matters on July 27, demanding the agency yank its tax-exempt status.

Read more: Former White House Counsel to IRS: Pull Media Matters

I expect you do know that Gray has no official status and his past official title is used for the respect it lends his opinion; take it or leave it. Media matters activities cannot be construed to be non partisan; they readily make partisan claims.

Does anyone know if T-party organizations claim non political tax exempt status? I give to both TP Express and TP Patriots and the disclaim any personal tax exemption to me when they accept my contributions. That makes it appear to me that they do not and only file as a taxable organization, and for the IRS to make demands to them as to content of the meetings and events constitutes harrassment.

Problem is since the old saw that "everybody does it" permits a raft of sins, there's no objection in the media; it's just seen as more bad behavior. Actually it is intimidation with the intendion to dry up public demonstrations, freedom of association, and gifts like mine.

Better to be like Occupy Wall Street and get no permits, show up unannounced, and leave no paper trail, other than trash at the scene.

 

[American Horse]

The organization filed form 1024 requesting tax exempt status. The questions may or may not be out of line depending on how the organization completed part II of the form which asks for a rather extensive narrative of the activities of the organization. Since this thread is purely political, my guess is the IRS questions are proper. IMHO, the IRS should be asking a lot of detailed questions before granting tax exempt status to any organization.

PART II. (of form 1024)
Provide a detailed narrative description of all the activities of the organization—past, present, and planned. Do not merely refer to or repeat the language in the organizational document. List each activity separately in the order of importance based on the relative time and other resources devoted to the activity. Indicate the percentage of time for each activity. Each description should include, as a minimum, the following: (a) a detailed description of the activity including its purpose and how each activity furthers your exempt purpose; (b) when the activity was or will be initiated; and (c) where and by whom the activity will be conducted.

I don't know the type (501--etc.) organization they wish to file under, but it is not to accept non taxable gifts. That is clear because they accept my gifts with the caveat that I may not deduct them on my federal income taxes.

So they want to use all their donations for the purposes of paying the expenses of the organization. I doubt very much that they use any of the contributions for wages paid to volunteers, or even national leaders, but don't know that for sure, since as an organization grows it may outgrow the type of management of fiscal affairs that can be properly provided by volunteers in management positions.

It needs to be determined whether the questions being asked by the IRS are actually proper for an organization like TP.

 

[ladyliberal]

The organization filed form 1024 requesting tax exempt status. The questions may or may not be out of line depending on how the organization completed part II of the form which asks for a rather extensive narrative of the activities of the organization. Since this thread is purely political, my guess is the IRS questions are proper. IMHO, the IRS should be asking a lot of detailed questions before granting tax exempt status to any organization.

PART II. (of form 1024)
Provide a detailed narrative description of all the activities of the organization—past, present, and planned. Do not merely refer to or repeat the language in the organizational document. List each activity separately in the order of importance based on the relative time and other resources devoted to the activity. Indicate the percentage of time for each activity. Each description should include, as a minimum, the following: (a) a detailed description of the activity including its purpose and how each activity furthers your exempt purpose; (b) when the activity was or will be initiated; and (c) where and by whom the activity will be conducted.

I don't know the type (501--etc.) organization they wish to file under, but it is not to accept non taxable gifts. That is clear because they accept my gifts with the caveat that I may not deduct them on my federal income taxes.

So they want to use all their donations for the purposes of paying the expenses of the organization. I doubt very much that they use any of the contributions for wages paid to volunteers, or even national leaders, but don't know that for sure, since as an organization grows it may outgrow the type of management of fiscal affairs that can be properly provided by volunteers in management positions.

It needs to be determined whether the questions being asked by the IRS are actually proper for an organization like TP.

The Tea Party Patriots are a 501(c)(4) organization. That means that they are a tax-exempt non-profit but that contributions to them are not tax deductible as charitable donations (http://www.afj.org/assets/resources/resource1/Comparison-of-501C3S-501C4S.pdf). Simply put, the tax code recognizes them as non-profit but not as charitable.

 

[Flopper]

The organization filed form 1024 requesting tax exempt status. The questions may or may not be out of line depending on how the organization completed part II of the form which asks for a rather extensive narrative of the activities of the organization. Since this thread is purely political, my guess is the IRS questions are proper. IMHO, the IRS should be asking a lot of detailed questions before granting tax exempt status to any organization.

PART II. (of form 1024)
Provide a detailed narrative description of all the activities of the organization—past, present, and planned. Do not merely refer to or repeat the language in the organizational document. List each activity separately in the order of importance based on the relative time and other resources devoted to the activity. Indicate the percentage of time for each activity. Each description should include, as a minimum, the following: (a) a detailed description of the activity including its purpose and how each activity furthers your exempt purpose; (b) when the activity was or will be initiated; and (c) where and by whom the activity will be conducted.

I don't know the type (501--etc.) organization they wish to file under, but it is not to accept non taxable gifts. That is clear because they accept my gifts with the caveat that I may not deduct them on my federal income taxes.

So they want to use all their donations for the purposes of paying the expenses of the organization. I doubt very much that they use any of the contributions for wages paid to volunteers, or even national leaders, but don't know that for sure, since as an organization grows it may outgrow the type of management of fiscal affairs that can be properly provided by volunteers in management positions.

It needs to be determined whether the questions being asked by the IRS are actually proper for an organization like TP.

The IRS can ask just about any questions they want as long as they feel that the answers are needed to compete their investigation. In this case, the 1024 tax form the organization filed asked for a detailed description of their activities. I would bet the letter from IRS is a form letter that is sent any organization asking for the exemption that does not provide the level of detail asked for on the form.

 

[EriktheRed]

Actually there was, but you wouldnt look on your own anyway.

This was just posted but is days old.

It was a steaming pile of crap when you first brought it up and it's still crap now.

So Freudian Stage I speech fires your rockets and makes you grin from ear to ear? Oh, my.

Well, seeing how utterly stupid your reply below is gives me a sad.

No one in any of these links seems to cite any evidence that the documents are motivated by the ideology of the groups they were sent to, or that groups with different ideologies have not received similar letters. We just see multiple conservative groups who feel compelled to "wonder" if they are being persecuted. I would guess the answer is "no", since the standard form for requesting tax-exempt status asks for some or all of this information and plenty more besides (http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f1023.pdf)

As for the "evidence" it seems quite suspect. The "document" provided is actually a document produced by the Ohio Liberty Council with portions of what appears to be a document from the IRS pasted into it. There are no mentions of demands, only of requests. Further, the Liberty Council's text (which also includes basic grammar errors) claims that the IRS Exempt Organizations will ask this information of "you" the individual reading their document. This seems to be completely false and indeed nonsensical, calling into question the entire narrative crafted.

Sorry, we're up to here with omerta oaths out of this administration.

They need to clean up their act before they start lifting others' shorts and pointing.