Is NATO a force of good?

[Figaro]

Is it really the force of good? Or it never was? Or is it the TERRORIST army of the dictators who RULE us?

"Many nations’ true colors have grown more pronounced, more contrasted than at any recent point in history. The Islamic State perfectly couples the savagery of religious fanaticism with the unsustainable, mad expansionist philosophy of Nazi fascism, yet even their intentions were questioned by most western governments, until quite recently. In the midst of the undeniable terror caused by this proxy military organization, a set of scenario has been created, one in which, as is common in times of crisis, what is right or wrong becomes crystal clear.
The failed states of Libya, Syria can attest to what little credibility America gives Jihadist group’s mobilizing appeal in times of revolution and terror; Iraq, though still pulsing slightly, would certainly tease at a necrophiliac’s loins. Through the destruction, under the drenching, despairing sights of pan-cultural extermination, the cheap façade of so many has been revealed Turkey’s brief appearance in a world not revolved around the wishes of Islamic extremists has ended; America, with an army of robotic, indiscriminant, fanaticism inducing drones, are able to now avoid the more unpleasant aspects of imperialist campaigns, by avoiding any American losses or need to interfere in non-profitable regions of an invested-in country; each and every member of NATO has chosen cooperation with international law violator Turkey over assisting the currently embattled Kurds in Kobani.
As a side note: This passage comes from the opening preamble of the Rojava Charter. Unlike so many states in the region, Kurdish Syria actually demonstrates a belief in the words written in their constitution. The military force, as well as the overall economic constitution, is made up of people from numerous religions and ethnicites.
“[w]e the peoples of the democratic self-administration areas; Kurds, Arabs, Assyrians (Assyrian Chaldeans, Arameans), Turkmen, Armenians, and Chechens, by our free will, announce this to ensure justice, freedom, democracy, and the rights of women and children in accordance with the principles of ecological balance, freedom of religions and beliefs, and equality without discrimination on the basis of race, religion, creed, doctrine or gender, to achieve the political and moral fabric of a democratic society in order to function with mutual understanding and coexistence within diversity and respect for the principle of self-determination and self-defense of the peoples.”
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"The nights ablaze with a million flames"

 

[toxicmedia]

Is it really the force of good? Or it never was? Or is it the TERRORIST army of the dictators who RULE us?

"Many nations’ true colors have grown more pronounced, more contrasted than at any recent point in history. The Islamic State perfectly couples the savagery of religious fanaticism with the unsustainable, mad expansionist philosophy of Nazi fascism, yet even their intentions were questioned by most western governments, until quite recently. In the midst of the undeniable terror caused by this proxy military organization, a set of scenario has been created, one in which, as is common in times of crisis, what is right or wrong becomes crystal clear.
The failed states of Libya, Syria can attest to what little credibility America gives Jihadist group’s mobilizing appeal in times of revolution and terror; Iraq, though still pulsing slightly, would certainly tease at a necrophiliac’s loins. Through the destruction, under the drenching, despairing sights of pan-cultural extermination, the cheap façade of so many has been revealed Turkey’s brief appearance in a world not revolved around the wishes of Islamic extremists has ended; America, with an army of robotic, indiscriminant, fanaticism inducing drones, are able to now avoid the more unpleasant aspects of imperialist campaigns, by avoiding any American losses or need to interfere in non-profitable regions of an invested-in country; each and every member of NATO has chosen cooperation with international law violator Turkey over assisting the currently embattled Kurds in Kobani.
As a side note: This passage comes from the opening preamble of the Rojava Charter. Unlike so many states in the region, Kurdish Syria actually demonstrates a belief in the words written in their constitution. The military force, as well as the overall economic constitution, is made up of people from numerous religions and ethnicites.
“[w]e the peoples of the democratic self-administration areas; Kurds, Arabs, Assyrians (Assyrian Chaldeans, Arameans), Turkmen, Armenians, and Chechens, by our free will, announce this to ensure justice, freedom, democracy, and the rights of women and children in accordance with the principles of ecological balance, freedom of religions and beliefs, and equality without discrimination on the basis of race, religion, creed, doctrine or gender, to achieve the political and moral fabric of a democratic society in order to function with mutual understanding and coexistence within diversity and respect for the principle of self-determination and self-defense of the peoples.”
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"The nights ablaze with a million flames"

Syria...the country of which Kobani is part...is not a NATO member

Furthermore...Kurds in eastern Turkey, northern Syria and Iraq, have not been allies of Ankara.

Moreover...Having lived in Istanbul, and once having been married to a Turkish Kurd...I'm scratching my head about why anyone would expect Ankara to come to the aid of Kurds which have been involved in various terrorist/anti government activities for decades now.

What does seem reasonable to me, is a strategy the Kurds might take to convince the US that Ankara has abandoned them, and flatter the Americans into increasing it's military and financial support for the Kurdish cause in Syria to support the region wide independence efforts. Anyone who understands what the PKK was/is, shouldn't expect Ankara to do anything but park tanks on the border, and keep curious bystanders out of the way.

I'm obviously NOT anti Kurd. They are a force for moderation in the region. But asking Turkey or the US, who both owe Syria NOTHING, to intervene beyond air strikes in Kobani might sound like a great humanitarian cause...but relieving human suffering of every variety in the world is something other nations shouldn't expect, and we can't afford.

 

[toxicmedia]

Oh!...wait...NATO.

It started as an answer to the Warsaw Pact.

Does western and central Europe still face a military threat from Russia?

I can't see Moscow rolling tanks back into central Europe just to capture geography. In which case, do we need to fund the whole thing like we do everything else?

 

[Delta4Embassy]

Can't help but flashback to the original "Red Dawn" "...NATO dissolves, the US stands alone."

 

[toxicmedia]

Can't help but flashback to the original "Red Dawn" "...NATO dissolves, the US stands alone."

NATO could dissolve today, and the US would no less secure. IMO

 

[Abishai100]

Broker Vision


How much does the world need NATO?

In North America, for example, consumerism bargaining has created vital competition between American fast food and Chinese restaurants.

Fast food is not the same as sit-down restaurants. KFC is not the same as Olive Garden. However, America's investments in fast food make its exporting very symbolic of capitalism conveniences; likewise Chinese restaurants reflect a focused cultural effort by the Chinese to export culture-based convenience consumerism.

When we look at successful pockets of globalization-themed free market sector competition, we start to see the managerial processes that undo the complicated necessities for negotiation-enforcement bodies such as NATO.

Welcome to the modern world of eTrade.







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[Drang nach Osten]

- Is NATO a force of good?
Yes, it is. It's the territory of the Free World.

 

[Two Thumbs]

nato is about as useful as monopoly money

almost

 

[Delta4Embassy]

Is it really the force of good? Or it never was? Or is it the TERRORIST army of the dictators who RULE us?

"Many nations’ true colors have grown more pronounced, more contrasted than at any recent point in history. The Islamic State perfectly couples the savagery of religious fanaticism with the unsustainable, mad expansionist philosophy of Nazi fascism, yet even their intentions were questioned by most western governments, until quite recently. In the midst of the undeniable terror caused by this proxy military organization, a set of scenario has been created, one in which, as is common in times of crisis, what is right or wrong becomes crystal clear.
The failed states of Libya, Syria can attest to what little credibility America gives Jihadist group’s mobilizing appeal in times of revolution and terror; Iraq, though still pulsing slightly, would certainly tease at a necrophiliac’s loins. Through the destruction, under the drenching, despairing sights of pan-cultural extermination, the cheap façade of so many has been revealed Turkey’s brief appearance in a world not revolved around the wishes of Islamic extremists has ended; America, with an army of robotic, indiscriminant, fanaticism inducing drones, are able to now avoid the more unpleasant aspects of imperialist campaigns, by avoiding any American losses or need to interfere in non-profitable regions of an invested-in country; each and every member of NATO has chosen cooperation with international law violator Turkey over assisting the currently embattled Kurds in Kobani.
As a side note: This passage comes from the opening preamble of the Rojava Charter. Unlike so many states in the region, Kurdish Syria actually demonstrates a belief in the words written in their constitution. The military force, as well as the overall economic constitution, is made up of people from numerous religions and ethnicites.
“[w]e the peoples of the democratic self-administration areas; Kurds, Arabs, Assyrians (Assyrian Chaldeans, Arameans), Turkmen, Armenians, and Chechens, by our free will, announce this to ensure justice, freedom, democracy, and the rights of women and children in accordance with the principles of ecological balance, freedom of religions and beliefs, and equality without discrimination on the basis of race, religion, creed, doctrine or gender, to achieve the political and moral fabric of a democratic society in order to function with mutual understanding and coexistence within diversity and respect for the principle of self-determination and self-defense of the peoples.”
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"The nights ablaze with a million flames"

No military alliance can claim it's 'good' if its solution to problems is military force. Besides, no one claims their own side are the Bad Guys. DPRK, Iran, Syria, Russia all claim they're the good guys. Just like we do. Obviously though someone's wrong.

 

[Liminal]

Is it really the force of good? Or it never was? Or is it the TERRORIST army of the dictators who RULE us?

"Many nations’ true colors have grown more pronounced, more contrasted than at any recent point in history. The Islamic State perfectly couples the savagery of religious fanaticism with the unsustainable, mad expansionist philosophy of Nazi fascism, yet even their intentions were questioned by most western governments, until quite recently. In the midst of the undeniable terror caused by this proxy military organization, a set of scenario has been created, one in which, as is common in times of crisis, what is right or wrong becomes crystal clear.
The failed states of Libya, Syria can attest to what little credibility America gives Jihadist group’s mobilizing appeal in times of revolution and terror; Iraq, though still pulsing slightly, would certainly tease at a necrophiliac’s loins. Through the destruction, under the drenching, despairing sights of pan-cultural extermination, the cheap façade of so many has been revealed Turkey’s brief appearance in a world not revolved around the wishes of Islamic extremists has ended; America, with an army of robotic, indiscriminant, fanaticism inducing drones, are able to now avoid the more unpleasant aspects of imperialist campaigns, by avoiding any American losses or need to interfere in non-profitable regions of an invested-in country; each and every member of NATO has chosen cooperation with international law violator Turkey over assisting the currently embattled Kurds in Kobani.
As a side note: This passage comes from the opening preamble of the Rojava Charter. Unlike so many states in the region, Kurdish Syria actually demonstrates a belief in the words written in their constitution. The military force, as well as the overall economic constitution, is made up of people from numerous religions and ethnicites.
“[w]e the peoples of the democratic self-administration areas; Kurds, Arabs, Assyrians (Assyrian Chaldeans, Arameans), Turkmen, Armenians, and Chechens, by our free will, announce this to ensure justice, freedom, democracy, and the rights of women and children in accordance with the principles of ecological balance, freedom of religions and beliefs, and equality without discrimination on the basis of race, religion, creed, doctrine or gender, to achieve the political and moral fabric of a democratic society in order to function with mutual understanding and coexistence within diversity and respect for the principle of self-determination and self-defense of the peoples.”
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"The nights ablaze with a million flames"

Silly, the title of the OP has nothing to do with the content of the link.

 

[B. Kidd]

NATO has become western oligarchs private military.

 

[RandomVariable]

NATO has become western oligarchs private military.

It has become that every armed force is some oligarchs private military. That has probably always been the case though.