CDZ Is it Time to Break Up the FBI and CIA?

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    Trump I think goes for the best people at a task whether they like him or not.

    He is learning why that is not necessarily a good thing in politics.
     
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    That may be what he goes for, but he seems to consistently fail spectacularly. Is he learning? Not from what I've seen so far.
     
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    It's been long past time. The FBI was built by a cross dressing pervert and blackmailer and they still have that assholes name on the building. The FBI was was built around a core of corruption.
     
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    So it appears that the IC changed its Whistleblower rules just prior to this whistleblower to try to derail the investigation into Ukrainian interference into our 2016 election.

    Whistleblower Rules Secretly Changed Right Before Report Filed Against Trump

    This means the collusion among the Praetorian Guard in the Deep State along with leftist activists in Congress and elsewhere in our government runs very deep and across agency lines. People this is a conspiracy, and since it involves the exposure of classified information to weaken ongoing investigations and the interests of our country it is therefore also treason in the vernacular.

    Those defending this outrageous sedition claim that the guidelines are set by law, but every agency issues updates to these various laws via their own agency guidelines like this one.

    It is time to break up this modern Praetorian Guard in order to preserve our Republican form of government.
     
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    Leaking a private Presidential conversation is not treason.
    You haven't made a case to support your conclusions about the CIA.

    Let me put it another way- if the CIA did overhear a President of the United States conspiring with the head of a foreign government to break U.S. law- say by illegally funding a terrorist organization- should the CIA protect the President? Or the United States?

    As far as breaking up the CIA or the FBI, it doesn't make any real sense to. Certainly there should be adequate oversight of both- and that is Congress's job.
     
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    The Dems WERE the party of "protectors of Civil Liberties" 30 years ago.. THAT Dem party would not allow the NSA to be given the world's most awesome DOMESTIC spy machine.. In fact, it was largely Dems who DECRIED that no US Intel agency (other the FBI) should EVER be allowed to operate domestically.. All those champions of Liberty and freedom would be appalled that the CIA was ever even MENTIONED in connection to covert spying on an opposition political campaign or a sitting Prez...

    LEGALLY -- the CIA is NOT allowed to act in any way domestically.. Unfortunately, the world's best electronic spies at NSA now can.. But with MEDIA allowing Brennan and Clapper to leap directly from their roles as conspirators in domestic spying to being nightly corporate resources on CNN and MSNBC -- that horse doesn't even have a barn anymore...

    Even the Repubs love themselves some powerful domestic tools.. On the eve of reissuing the Patriot Act, only 2 or 3 of them were lobbying for reforms and transparency... And those fools -- whose OWN PRESIDENT is a victim of domestic (and foreign) Intel abuse -- voted unanimously to renew without review...

    Even Trump was backed down on domestic spy reforms.. On the morning of the Patriot Act renewal, he tweeted a powerful message about the urgent need to reform and revise.. And by NOON -- he withdrew his comments and said he "fully supported the re-authorization"...

    Only patriots and ACTUAL Civil Libertarians are gonna fix this.. And the only real source of Civil Libertarians these days are in some think tanks, the ACLU and the Institute for Justice, and the Libertarian party...

    APPARENTLY both inept and crooked parties have come to love domestic spying and Intel abuse... They have to be defeated....
     
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    People in the Intel community are NOT "normal people".. The standards and ethics and requirements are high.. And when these agencies are "kept in their lane" and directed at INTERNATIONAL problems, they serve with pride and honor.. I know this...

    It was political hijinks and 9-11 over reaction that MADE them political.. And that needs to get back in order.
     
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    It's a violation of MANY National Security codes... There is a "need to know" requirement even for folks cleared to level of accessing these privileged papers. And it should be KEPT that way...

    You'll only "love it" when it's useful to YOU and your tribe... And we'll lose international status and respect if it's not adhered to...
     
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    Actual Liberterians?

    You would have to win an election first.

    :D
     
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    Not only status and respect, but trust. Who's going to trust us with their sensitive or classified information that some American asshat is going to leak, either for personal or political gain. And not only the trust of foreign gov'ts, but eve more importantly the trust of our own citizens. There was a time when the FBI and other gov't intel agencies were honored and respected and trusted; those days are gone.
     
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