Debate Now Is it time for the CIA to focus mandate on defending American Exceptionalism?

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    This would mean openly telling all nations, hostile or "ally", that efforts to turn America and her citizens into a global socialist hellhole, we be dealt with accordingly.

    America is the last stop at the train station, the only hope is other nations will mimic the U.S in terms of your Constitution and individual liberty, because it doesn't really exist anywhere else

    I would go so far as to suggest it be inscribed in U.S law somehow if possible to support the new CIA mandate. "U.S is to maintain Exceptionalist status"

    I don't know how quite to word it, but I assume you understand. Thoughts?
     
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    Not the cia's job.


    The best thing to do to maintain Exceptional status is to stop all Third World Immigration, if not all immigration.
     
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    The CIA fucking needs to be abolished.It is an evil organization. When it was first created during the Truman administration it was created to gather information on other countries and report directly to the president but it later became an out of control evil organization that dictates american and foreign policys and is always starting wars with other countries.

    Kennedy tried to get rid of them and paid the price for doing so . Carter ALSO tried to get rid of them and cleaned up the corruption briefly but when their boy Reagan got in,he got them back to their corrupt ways again.

    I been hearing since trump is not following the NWO agenda each president since reagan has,that there are rumors going around that they will kill him as well. I hope they are not true of course and I am crossing my fingers trump gets rid of them.Thats too much hope to ask for though.
     
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    I disagree. You should kiss the CIA's behind, they've saved you and Canada a great deal of harm from foreign bad actors.

    Sadly, Canada is still in the 20th Century and not very effective.
     
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    I'm pretty sure I know where you are coming from, but I don't think the CIA is the agency to address the problem.

    American exceptionalism is our special character/ideal that we are the only nation in the world that recognizes unalienable rights/individual liberty as supreme and in which the government is strictly limited to providing the common defense and providing a structure by which the people can govern themselves without doing violence to each other. Toward that end, the federal government could do only what the Constitution authorized it to do.

    The concept was respected by all administration for more than a hundred years. Then Teddy Roosevelt turned it on its head by declaring that the federal government could do whatever it was not expressly forbidden to do. And like his relative later on, he packed the courts with judges who would not challenge him in that.

    Once a government seizes power, no matter how much it promised benevolence and prosperity and benefits to the people, it will never willingly relinquish that power and will soon seek more and more as it begins to serve itself more than those it governs.

    T Roosevelt started a small snowball of progressive authoritarianism rolling, and it has been gaining mass and momentum ever since until it has become this enormous monstrosity that mows down everything in its path. As our central government becomes ever more authoritarian, more intrusive, more self serving, we are in serious danger of losing the nation the Founders intended America to be. And the progressives who have promoted that authoritarian government

    The only peaceful remedy is for the people to have the vision and courage to elect people who will restore the government to what it was intended to be. But since the permanent political class/statists now control most of the media, most education, most scientific and social institutions, we may not have enough people who understand the danger to fix it.

    The only other remedy will be revolution.
     
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    I understand your thoughts, I just don't think I was clear about it. Domestically, America, like any country, will have it's debate about leadership. As far as I am concerned as long as the Constitution is supported, America cannot go wrong.

    The problem today is the globalist mantra, which to me is clearing aimed at harming America and turning global socialists into more powerful influences on the world order, in particular America. This means, that Americans will lose their individual liberty for the sake of Chinas rise, influence and mass of cheap labour. The world wants to dethrone America, it will not bode well for Western liberty or freedom everywhere if this happens.

    My opinion is that the CIA must be involved in harming socialist globalists, who ae not interested in capitalism, but rather their own fiefdoms.
     
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    Nobody can hurt us unless we allow it. Right now we have a President, however maligned and however scorned by the politically correct, permanent political class, and progressive/socialist fanatics, who will not allow it within his constitutional powers to act.

    The CIA's mission is not military but rather intelligence gathering and providing information on those who intend us harm so that the policy makers will better know how to thwart, deter, prevent that and/or apprehend those who intend us harm before they can do so.

    But I will agree the CIA should be informing our policy makers, including our President, of whatever threats and bad intentions are out there.
     

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