Is it moral for our governments to impose poverty on us?

[progressive hunter]

American English has been corrupted by British and European meanings of the word. Since they refer to government meaning Parliament and those who enforce laws they pass, the use has crept into the American sense. American government is the clearly written description in the Constitution (England does not have one) that all can see and read. It is not the people who fill the posts.
The two party dictatorship conducted a coup d'état slowly over a long period. They do what they decide to do and leave the explanations for later (if ever).
The only solutions, for politics as well as other current crises) is to try something not done before.
'Rinse and repeat' is only making the stain more permanent now.

we can try following the constitution,,,that hasnt been tried in over 150 yrs

It seeks to be more perfect amendment after amendment, showing how flawed it is. It has worked to the detriment of the country as epitomized by the election of Trump.

Regards
DL

now I see the problem,,,

your TDS is acting up again and its causing you to say stupid things,,,thats a typical symptom,,,I suggest therapy and medication,,,

 

[GreatestIam]

Taxation determines what poverty levels will exist within it’s demographic form. It controls the graph shown below. Governments control taxation and thus control poverty levels directly.

You're so far from solving ANYTHING with this approach.. Redistribution of money NEVER fixes the underlying problems of poverty... Having a FUNCTIONAL govt at city/state/fed levels that PRIORITIZES it's duties does..

It's education, health care, crime, addiction, and mental disorders that affect poverty... Making folks "comfortable" in poverty is NOT humane.. Getting them functional and making better decisions does....

Exactly. That takes a redistribution of resources, which is what I am all in for.

That redistribution fixes the problems so you might look at your conclusion of the opposite being good.

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

Taxation ain't the problem. It is that I don't get to sell bootleg Louis V knockoffs stuffed with bags of weed on the street corner that is the problem.

So sell weed, lazy.

Regards
DL

Ain't the same without the LV bags man.

LV?

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

And do remember that this is a moral question. Don't be shy.

When you're a proponent of looting one group of people in order to feather the nests of other people, you're as far removed from morality as you can get.

Covetousness is a sin, not a virtue.

Good moral thinking.

We agree that the rich are immoral in their thinking and unethical in their actions.

Regards
DL

 

[BrokeLoser]

USMB should start a new Forum called the "I Hate America" forum.

This is bullshit

Improving what is broken is a sign of love buddy.

What I hate, as a Canadian, is having my respect and even perhaps love for the Americans I have known, being forced to be deteriorated by what may well be an immoral fool by the name of Trump.

Regards
DL

“Immoral fool”
For working diligently for America’s Best?

 

[progressive hunter]

Taxation determines what poverty levels will exist within it’s demographic form. It controls the graph shown below. Governments control taxation and thus control poverty levels directly.

You're so far from solving ANYTHING with this approach.. Redistribution of money NEVER fixes the underlying problems of poverty... Having a FUNCTIONAL govt at city/state/fed levels that PRIORITIZES it's duties does..

It's education, health care, crime, addiction, and mental disorders that affect poverty... Making folks "comfortable" in poverty is NOT humane.. Getting them functional and making better decisions does....

Exactly. That takes a redistribution of resources, which is what I am all in for.

That redistribution fixes the problems so you might look at your conclusion of the opposite being good.

Regards
DL

so you want to steal from one person at the point of a gun and give it to someone it doesnt belong to,,,

wouldnt that make you a thief???

 

[GreatestIam]

Is it moral for our governments to impose poverty on us?

Taxation determines what poverty levels will exist within it’s demographic form. It controls the graph shown below. Governments control taxation and thus control poverty levels directly.

Imagine if you will, the real truth of that taxation, if used correctly, to move the wealth shown in this graph wherever it wants to, with minimal effect on the whole. The fact is, experts say that such a reality would be a win win for everyone.

https://www.upworthy.com/9-out-of-10-americans-are-completely-wrong-about-this-mind-blowing-fact-2

Not how little of a change would be needed to reach the ideal.

Wise and moral people throughout history, as well as most religious movements, put poverty as the number one enemy to man’s first priority, which is security.

For perhaps the first time in history, we have the wealth where we could end poverty quite easily, --- just with our collective loose change.

It would seem to me that governments are not acting ethically and should be chastised.

I guess that George Carlin, a wise person, was correct in what he said of what Americans cannot feel in their anal orifices. I apply the same condition to the vast majority of the world.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-14SllPPLxY

If true that we are being willfully ignorant, and do not even care about each other to insure we live in a moral environment, then our owners have succeeded in cowering man’s moral nature to a state of subservience. We have given up our freedom. If we ever had any.

We have all accepted to be slaves. Shame on us all.

We do not live in a Democracy. We live in a Hypocrisy.

We can easily rid ourselves of poverty.

Should we?

Morality says yes.

Will we do the right thing?

Not till hell freezes over.

Regards

DL

Interesting concept, wealth redistribution through taxation. So taxing higher wage earners more will encourage them to work harder to earn more, while at the same time giving the tax money to low (or no) income earners will encourage them to work harder to earn more....what friggen planet do you live on?

Goof.

Wealth is already distributed and you do not see the things you allude to.

Try again.

And do remember that this is a moral question. Don't be shy.

Regards
DL

Yes, I do realize it is currently distributed. I also realize you're whining because you don't feel it's fair and you want more...dumbass.

I stand to lose more than you might think. Double dumbass,

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

In your Hypocrisy, what government rules you if not a Republican or Democratic government and master?

Regards
DL

the constitution is the government and the dems and repubes are political partys,,,

What rules a nation is the hearts of the people and Americans have lost theirs somewhere and are not living in as moral of a way as they could.

Most of the world is in the same position of self imposed tolerance of the evil of governments imposing poverty.

Regards
DL

what rules a country are their laws,,,morals vary from person to person,,,

just like socialist thinks it moral to steal from one and give to another,,,and some just give from the goodness of their hearts,,,,

Please show which socialist country thinks that way please and which law, if any, they have in place to allow it.

I think you are lying.

Further, most of us use about the same moral code based on reciprocity rules. If you do not, you are in the small minority.

Regards
DL

all of them,,,to steal from one and give to another is the very basis of socialism

Let me say that we all live in Hypocrisies as we should all recognize that we all basically live in oligarchies.

Look at the graph my friend and tell me if it looks like the poor are the thieves or if it looks like the rich are.

Take your time and perhaps even listen to the information.

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

Wealth is earned, not distributed.

Not inherited wealth, which is the bulk of the wealth in question.

I have a couple of good links should you not be able to verify that on your own.

Regards
DL

that wealth was still earned,,,

At the cost of markets and labor. In other words, at the cost of taxpayers.

Regards
DL

to the benefit of market and labor,,,if not for the rich none of it would exist in abundance,,,

in a true free market the tax payer is separate,,, taxs are for the purpose of paying the countries bills nothing else,,

We owe the rich quite a bit. I agree.

Without their philanthropy we would live under much worse conditions. Much of what they do is laudable. They have paid for the parties.

They are just forgetting their duty to society at the moment and need a reminder of their social responsibility and duty to the rest of the demography.

Regards
DL

 

[progressive hunter]

the constitution is the government and the dems and repubes are political partys,,,

What rules a nation is the hearts of the people and Americans have lost theirs somewhere and are not living in as moral of a way as they could.

Most of the world is in the same position of self imposed tolerance of the evil of governments imposing poverty.

Regards
DL

what rules a country are their laws,,,morals vary from person to person,,,

just like socialist thinks it moral to steal from one and give to another,,,and some just give from the goodness of their hearts,,,,

Please show which socialist country thinks that way please and which law, if any, they have in place to allow it.

I think you are lying.

Further, most of us use about the same moral code based on reciprocity rules. If you do not, you are in the small minority.

Regards
DL

all of them,,,to steal from one and give to another is the very basis of socialism

Let me say that we all live in Hypocrisies as we should all recognize that we all basically live in oligarchies.

Look at the graph my friend and tell me if it looks like the poor are the thieves or if it looks like the rich are.

Take your time and perhaps even listen to the information.

Regards
DL

the thieves are people that think like you and steal from the producers and give to the freeloaders,,,

the rich and poor are the victims,,,

 

[GreatestIam]

USMB should start a new Forum called the "I Hate America" forum.

This is bullshit

Improving what is broken is a sign of love buddy.

What I hate, as a Canadian, is having my respect and even perhaps love for the Americans I have known, being forced to be deteriorated by what may well be an immoral fool by the name of Trump.

Regards
DL

“Immoral fool”
For working diligently for America’s Best?

Yes. Now residing in cages. Soon to be in residential schools near a town near you.

Oh happy days, sing with me now, Oh happy daaaaays

Regards
DL

 

[progressive hunter]

Wealth is earned, not distributed.

Not inherited wealth, which is the bulk of the wealth in question.

I have a couple of good links should you not be able to verify that on your own.

Regards
DL

that wealth was still earned,,,

At the cost of markets and labor. In other words, at the cost of taxpayers.

Regards
DL

to the benefit of market and labor,,,if not for the rich none of it would exist in abundance,,,

in a true free market the tax payer is separate,,, taxs are for the purpose of paying the countries bills nothing else,,

We owe the rich quite a bit. I agree.

Without their philanthropy we would live under much worse conditions. Much of what they do is laudable. They have paid for the parties.

They are just forgetting their duty to society at the moment and need a reminder of their social responsibility and duty to the rest of the demography.

Regards
DL

they have no more duties to society than the poor do, which is to not be a burden to your neighbor,,,

 

[justinacolmena]

Indeed...I'm all for freedom to arm yourself, up to and including recreational McNukes™.

I've heard that rationalist atheist sarcastic communist line before, and I refuse to buy it.

Exactly. That takes a redistribution of resources, which is what I am all in for.

That redistribution fixes the problems …

You cannot simply disgorge the profits of unjust, unethical, immoral and illegal "business" on the back of the same old damned city bus and call it all fair and ethical when in reality nothing has changed and everything is still business as usual, you stupid retards.

 

[GreatestIam]

Taxation determines what poverty levels will exist within it’s demographic form. It controls the graph shown below. Governments control taxation and thus control poverty levels directly.

You're so far from solving ANYTHING with this approach.. Redistribution of money NEVER fixes the underlying problems of poverty... Having a FUNCTIONAL govt at city/state/fed levels that PRIORITIZES it's duties does..

It's education, health care, crime, addiction, and mental disorders that affect poverty... Making folks "comfortable" in poverty is NOT humane.. Getting them functional and making better decisions does....

Exactly. That takes a redistribution of resources, which is what I am all in for.

That redistribution fixes the problems so you might look at your conclusion of the opposite being good.

Regards
DL

so you want to steal from one person at the point of a gun and give it to someone it doesnt belong to,,,

wouldnt that make you a thief???

Do I?

Quote where I said that please.

I think I would answer yes but see your wording as you lying by inference.

Regards
DL

 

[BrokeLoser]

USMB should start a new Forum called the "I Hate America" forum.

This is bullshit

Improving what is broken is a sign of love buddy.

What I hate, as a Canadian, is having my respect and even perhaps love for the Americans I have known, being forced to be deteriorated by what may well be an immoral fool by the name of Trump.

Regards
DL

“Immoral fool”
For working diligently for America’s Best?

Yes. Now residing in cages. Soon to be in residential schools near a town near you.

Oh happy days, sing with me now, Oh happy daaaaays

Regards
DL

How would your “moral” president protect the interests of taxpayers, the citizenry and keep America from being overrun by the worlds filth?

 

[GreatestIam]

Not inherited wealth, which is the bulk of the wealth in question.

I have a couple of good links should you not be able to verify that on your own.

Regards
DL

that wealth was still earned,,,

At the cost of markets and labor. In other words, at the cost of taxpayers.

Regards
DL

to the benefit of market and labor,,,if not for the rich none of it would exist in abundance,,,

in a true free market the tax payer is separate,,, taxs are for the purpose of paying the countries bills nothing else,,

We owe the rich quite a bit. I agree.

Without their philanthropy we would live under much worse conditions. Much of what they do is laudable. They have paid for the parties.

They are just forgetting their duty to society at the moment and need a reminder of their social responsibility and duty to the rest of the demography.

Regards
DL

they have no more duties to society than the poor do, which is to not be a burden to your neighbor,,,

Look at the graph. Who is the burden to a more moral graph?

Who is imposing the really ugly demographic shape?

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

You cannot simply disgorge the profits of unjust, unethical, immoral and illegal "business" on the back of the same old damned city bus and call it all fair and ethical when in reality nothing has changed and everything is still business as usual, you stupid retards.

Let me know when you can use English, retard.

Regards
DL

 

[progressive hunter]

Taxation determines what poverty levels will exist within it’s demographic form. It controls the graph shown below. Governments control taxation and thus control poverty levels directly.

You're so far from solving ANYTHING with this approach.. Redistribution of money NEVER fixes the underlying problems of poverty... Having a FUNCTIONAL govt at city/state/fed levels that PRIORITIZES it's duties does..

It's education, health care, crime, addiction, and mental disorders that affect poverty... Making folks "comfortable" in poverty is NOT humane.. Getting them functional and making better decisions does....

Exactly. That takes a redistribution of resources, which is what I am all in for.

That redistribution fixes the problems so you might look at your conclusion of the opposite being good.

Regards
DL

so you want to steal from one person at the point of a gun and give it to someone it doesnt belong to,,,

wouldnt that make you a thief???

Do I?

Quote where I said that please.

I think I would answer yes but see your wording as you lying by inference.

Regards
DL

you just dont realize redistribution first requires theft do you???

 

[progressive hunter]

that wealth was still earned,,,

At the cost of markets and labor. In other words, at the cost of taxpayers.

Regards
DL

to the benefit of market and labor,,,if not for the rich none of it would exist in abundance,,,

in a true free market the tax payer is separate,,, taxs are for the purpose of paying the countries bills nothing else,,

We owe the rich quite a bit. I agree.

Without their philanthropy we would live under much worse conditions. Much of what they do is laudable. They have paid for the parties.

They are just forgetting their duty to society at the moment and need a reminder of their social responsibility and duty to the rest of the demography.

Regards
DL

they have no more duties to society than the poor do, which is to not be a burden to your neighbor,,,

Look at the graph. Who is the burden to a more moral graph?

Who is imposing the really ugly demographic shape?

Regards
DL

why is it you think you can stick your nose in other peoples lives and tell them how to live???

thats always peaked my interest

 

[justinacolmena]

they have no more duties to society than the poor do, which is to not be a burden to your neighbor,,,

The rich have already unduly burdened the poor with their gun control policies and their precious NICS shitlist.