Is it Krauthammer's turn under the Bus?

[NYcarbineer]

I'm asking conservatives.

This is what he has to say about the proposed Obama/GOP stimulus bill:

Swindle of the year

Barack Obama won the great tax-cut showdown of 2010 - and House Democrats don't have a clue that he did. In the deal struck this week, the president negotiated the biggest stimulus in American history, larger than his $814 billion 2009 stimulus package. It will pump a trillion borrowed Chinese dollars into the U.S. economy over the next two years - which just happen to be the two years of the run-up to the next presidential election. This is a defeat?

If Obama had asked for a second stimulus directly, he would have been laughed out of town. Stimulus I was so reviled that the Democrats banished the word from their lexicon throughout the 2010 campaign. And yet, despite a very weak post-election hand, Obama got the Republicans to offer to increase spending and cut taxes by $990 billion over two years. Two-thirds of that is above and beyond extension of the Bush tax cuts but includes such urgent national necessities as windmill subsidies.

No mean achievement. After all, these are the same Republicans who spent 2010 running on limited government and reducing debt. And this budget busting occurs less than a week after the president's deficit commission had supposedly signaled a new national consensus of austerity and frugality.

Some Republicans are crowing that Stimulus II is the Republican way - mostly tax cuts - rather than the Democrats' spending orgy of Stimulus I. That's consolation? This just means that Republicans are two years too late. Stimulus II will still blow another near-$1 trillion hole in the budget.

At great cost that will have to be paid after this newest free lunch, the package will add as much as 1 percent to GDP and lower the unemployment rate by about 1.5 percentage points. That could easily be the difference between victory and defeat in 2012.

Obama is no fool. While getting Republicans to boost his own reelection chances, he gets them to make a mockery of their newfound, second-chance, post-Bush, Tea-Party, this-time-we're-serious persona of debt-averse fiscal responsibility....

Charles Krauthammer - Swindle of the year

It's so fun to see someone getting paid for saying essentially what I've been saying for free for a week...lol

 

[B. Kidd]

Did Clinton compliment you like he did Krauthammer?

 

[The Rabbi]

Obama is no fool.

Fail.


Everyone in his party is pissed off about this. To spin it as some kind of brilliant victory is...well, spin.

 

[Truthmatters]

Note the tea party supporters running in here to wail about the deficit increase in this one.

NOT

 

[code1211]

I'm asking conservatives.

This is what he has to say about the proposed Obama/GOP stimulus bill:

Swindle of the year

Barack Obama won the great tax-cut showdown of 2010 - and House Democrats don't have a clue that he did. In the deal struck this week, the president negotiated the biggest stimulus in American history, larger than his $814 billion 2009 stimulus package. It will pump a trillion borrowed Chinese dollars into the U.S. economy over the next two years - which just happen to be the two years of the run-up to the next presidential election. This is a defeat?

If Obama had asked for a second stimulus directly, he would have been laughed out of town. Stimulus I was so reviled that the Democrats banished the word from their lexicon throughout the 2010 campaign. And yet, despite a very weak post-election hand, Obama got the Republicans to offer to increase spending and cut taxes by $990 billion over two years. Two-thirds of that is above and beyond extension of the Bush tax cuts but includes such urgent national necessities as windmill subsidies.

No mean achievement. After all, these are the same Republicans who spent 2010 running on limited government and reducing debt. And this budget busting occurs less than a week after the president's deficit commission had supposedly signaled a new national consensus of austerity and frugality.

Some Republicans are crowing that Stimulus II is the Republican way - mostly tax cuts - rather than the Democrats' spending orgy of Stimulus I. That's consolation? This just means that Republicans are two years too late. Stimulus II will still blow another near-$1 trillion hole in the budget.

At great cost that will have to be paid after this newest free lunch, the package will add as much as 1 percent to GDP and lower the unemployment rate by about 1.5 percentage points. That could easily be the difference between victory and defeat in 2012.

Obama is no fool. While getting Republicans to boost his own reelection chances, he gets them to make a mockery of their newfound, second-chance, post-Bush, Tea-Party, this-time-we're-serious persona of debt-averse fiscal responsibility....

Charles Krauthammer - Swindle of the year

It's so fun to see someone getting paid for saying essentially what I've been saying for free for a week...lol

Following the 1994 repudiation of Socialism, it took about 5 to 7 years for the Republicans to completely abandon fiscal integrity and start buying votes.

This time they did it before they even assumed the majority following the election.

It's the equivilant of a Novice whoring her virtue a couple weeks before she takes her vows. Will these jokers never learn the lessons they teach?

We need a Parlimentary system under which we can call for a new election every time the crooks attempt another crime against us. Of course, that would mean a perpetual election season. Our crooks are very, very busy.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Obama is no fool.

Fail.


Everyone in his party is pissed off about this. To spin it as some kind of brilliant victory is...well, spin.

I didn't say that Krauthammer did. What I said, last week, is that politically, this might be brilliant.

If the economy picks up, Obama now owns the tax cuts (assuming they pass) and can claim the credit. If the economy goes to shit or stays poor, Obama is screwed anyway.

Back in the post 94 '90's, when Clinton pulled this kind of thing, the right used to bitch about Clinton 'co-opting' the Republican agenda.

Keep in mind, I'm still against this.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

That's certainly one way of looking at it. We got Obama to do the right thing, he's still not running in 2012, so the point is moot

 

[NYcarbineer]

Note the tea party supporters running in here to wail about the deficit increase in this one.

NOT

They know Krauthammer's right, for once.

 

[ConHog]

Krauthammer is smarter than every politician in Washington combined.

 

[Big Black Dog]

It will be nice to see Obama and crew ushered out of town after the 2012 Presidential election and a new pack of clowns take the office. Can't tell just yet which pack of clowns it will be - Democratic or Republican. I can say with authority though that Obama is a one-term President. Then he can join the Jimmy Carter dumb ass club.

 

[rightwinger]

Note the tea party supporters running in here to wail about the deficit increase in this one.

NOT

Remember all the Tea Party protesters against the Stimulus and Healthcare Bills because they were so concerned about the deficit?

What happened?

Just kidding...we all know what happened

 

[NYcarbineer]

Note the tea party supporters running in here to wail about the deficit increase in this one.

NOT

Remember all the Tea Party protesters against the Stimulus and Healthcare Bills because they were so concerned about the deficit?

What happened?

Just kidding...we all know what happened

And the irony?

After this budget buster passes, the Republicans in 2012 will be running against the Obama Deficit.

 

[NYcarbineer]

I'm asking conservatives.

This is what he has to say about the proposed Obama/GOP stimulus bill:

Swindle of the year

Barack Obama won the great tax-cut showdown of 2010 - and House Democrats don't have a clue that he did. In the deal struck this week, the president negotiated the biggest stimulus in American history, larger than his $814 billion 2009 stimulus package. It will pump a trillion borrowed Chinese dollars into the U.S. economy over the next two years - which just happen to be the two years of the run-up to the next presidential election. This is a defeat?

If Obama had asked for a second stimulus directly, he would have been laughed out of town. Stimulus I was so reviled that the Democrats banished the word from their lexicon throughout the 2010 campaign. And yet, despite a very weak post-election hand, Obama got the Republicans to offer to increase spending and cut taxes by $990 billion over two years. Two-thirds of that is above and beyond extension of the Bush tax cuts but includes such urgent national necessities as windmill subsidies.

No mean achievement. After all, these are the same Republicans who spent 2010 running on limited government and reducing debt. And this budget busting occurs less than a week after the president's deficit commission had supposedly signaled a new national consensus of austerity and frugality.

Some Republicans are crowing that Stimulus II is the Republican way - mostly tax cuts - rather than the Democrats' spending orgy of Stimulus I. That's consolation? This just means that Republicans are two years too late. Stimulus II will still blow another near-$1 trillion hole in the budget.

At great cost that will have to be paid after this newest free lunch, the package will add as much as 1 percent to GDP and lower the unemployment rate by about 1.5 percentage points. That could easily be the difference between victory and defeat in 2012.

Obama is no fool. While getting Republicans to boost his own reelection chances, he gets them to make a mockery of their newfound, second-chance, post-Bush, Tea-Party, this-time-we're-serious persona of debt-averse fiscal responsibility....

Charles Krauthammer - Swindle of the year

It's so fun to see someone getting paid for saying essentially what I've been saying for free for a week...lol

Following the 1994 repudiation of Socialism, it took about 5 to 7 years for the Republicans to completely abandon fiscal integrity and start buying votes.

This time they did it before they even assumed the majority following the election.

It's the equivilant of a Novice whoring her virtue a couple weeks before she takes her vows. Will these jokers never learn the lessons they teach?

We need a Parlimentary system under which we can call for a new election every time the crooks attempt another crime against us. Of course, that would mean a perpetual election season. Our crooks are very, very busy.

Well, Bill Clinton was the obstacle to the GOP congress running amok before they got Bush in there. Now, sadly, even Clinton seems to have fallen into the vortex of the tax cut death spiral.

 

[editec]

Hey don't forget the OTHER elements that are in that compromise.

For example still more money and tax breaks for ETHANOL.

Yeah I'm not kidding.

What we just saw with this so called compromise was the nature of the DUELOPOLY...a continuation of the same spend and tax cut then borrow to pay for it game they're been playing on us for the last 40 years.

No Republican who calls this a victory can ever again lay claim to being a fiscal conservative.

 

[Stephanie]

Obama is no fool.

Fail.


Everyone in his party is pissed off about this. To spin it as some kind of brilliant victory is...well, spin.

I didn't say that Krauthammer did. What I said, last week, is that politically, this might be brilliant.

If the economy picks up, Obama now owns the tax cuts (assuming they pass) and can claim the credit. If the economy goes to shit or stays poor, Obama is screwed anyway.

Back in the post 94 '90's, when Clinton pulled this kind of thing, the right used to bitch about Clinton 'co-opting' the Republican agenda.

Keep in mind, I'm still against this.

As usual all the lefties think about is THE GAME.
remember folks, to them it's PARTY OVER COUNTRY

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

I'm asking conservatives.

This is what he has to say about the proposed Obama/GOP stimulus bill:

Swindle of the year

Barack Obama won the great tax-cut showdown of 2010 - and House Democrats don't have a clue that he did. In the deal struck this week, the president negotiated the biggest stimulus in American history, larger than his $814 billion 2009 stimulus package. It will pump a trillion borrowed Chinese dollars into the U.S. economy over the next two years - which just happen to be the two years of the run-up to the next presidential election. This is a defeat?

If Obama had asked for a second stimulus directly, he would have been laughed out of town. Stimulus I was so reviled that the Democrats banished the word from their lexicon throughout the 2010 campaign. And yet, despite a very weak post-election hand, Obama got the Republicans to offer to increase spending and cut taxes by $990 billion over two years. Two-thirds of that is above and beyond extension of the Bush tax cuts but includes such urgent national necessities as windmill subsidies.

No mean achievement. After all, these are the same Republicans who spent 2010 running on limited government and reducing debt. And this budget busting occurs less than a week after the president's deficit commission had supposedly signaled a new national consensus of austerity and frugality.

Some Republicans are crowing that Stimulus II is the Republican way - mostly tax cuts - rather than the Democrats' spending orgy of Stimulus I. That's consolation? This just means that Republicans are two years too late. Stimulus II will still blow another near-$1 trillion hole in the budget.

At great cost that will have to be paid after this newest free lunch, the package will add as much as 1 percent to GDP and lower the unemployment rate by about 1.5 percentage points. That could easily be the difference between victory and defeat in 2012.

Obama is no fool. While getting Republicans to boost his own reelection chances, he gets them to make a mockery of their newfound, second-chance, post-Bush, Tea-Party, this-time-we're-serious persona of debt-averse fiscal responsibility....

Charles Krauthammer - Swindle of the year

It's so fun to see someone getting paid for saying essentially what I've been saying for free for a week...lol

While I do agree with Charles' assessment of the situation I don't agree that it is making a mockery of those who just won the election.

The people who got voted in have yet to take their seat and are not part of this process.

Other than that I thought this "compromise" was just another progressive sham. Seriously. EDIT: I'll number these:

1) Cutting the social security tax, a program that is already running bankrupt, without replacing that influx of revenue to the program...just how was that paid for?
2) Extending unemployement....where was the funding for that.
3) Keeping the current tax rates, where was the spending cuts to compensate for it?
4) Adding to the national debt with the compromise to fund it? DUH we just had an election telling them not to do that.

Its pretty obvious those who just won the election had no part in the forming of this compromise.



Oh and truthmatters, what were you saying? I'm not here every day

 

[DiveCon]

I'm asking conservatives.

This is what he has to say about the proposed Obama/GOP stimulus bill:

Swindle of the year

Barack Obama won the great tax-cut showdown of 2010 - and House Democrats don't have a clue that he did. In the deal struck this week, the president negotiated the biggest stimulus in American history, larger than his $814 billion 2009 stimulus package. It will pump a trillion borrowed Chinese dollars into the U.S. economy over the next two years - which just happen to be the two years of the run-up to the next presidential election. This is a defeat?

If Obama had asked for a second stimulus directly, he would have been laughed out of town. Stimulus I was so reviled that the Democrats banished the word from their lexicon throughout the 2010 campaign. And yet, despite a very weak post-election hand, Obama got the Republicans to offer to increase spending and cut taxes by $990 billion over two years. Two-thirds of that is above and beyond extension of the Bush tax cuts but includes such urgent national necessities as windmill subsidies.

No mean achievement. After all, these are the same Republicans who spent 2010 running on limited government and reducing debt. And this budget busting occurs less than a week after the president's deficit commission had supposedly signaled a new national consensus of austerity and frugality.

Some Republicans are crowing that Stimulus II is the Republican way - mostly tax cuts - rather than the Democrats' spending orgy of Stimulus I. That's consolation? This just means that Republicans are two years too late. Stimulus II will still blow another near-$1 trillion hole in the budget.

At great cost that will have to be paid after this newest free lunch, the package will add as much as 1 percent to GDP and lower the unemployment rate by about 1.5 percentage points. That could easily be the difference between victory and defeat in 2012.

Obama is no fool. While getting Republicans to boost his own reelection chances, he gets them to make a mockery of their newfound, second-chance, post-Bush, Tea-Party, this-time-we're-serious persona of debt-averse fiscal responsibility....

Charles Krauthammer - Swindle of the year

It's so fun to see someone getting paid for saying essentially what I've been saying for free for a week...lol

While I do agree with Charles' assessment of the situation I don't agree that it is making a mockery of those who just won the election.

The people who got voted in have yet to take their seat and are not part of this process.

Other than that I thought this "compromise" was just another progressive sham. Seriously. EDIT: I'll number these:

1) Cutting the social security tax, a program that is already running bankrupt, without replacing that influx of revenue to the program...just how was that paid for?
2) Extending unemployement....where was the funding for that.
3) Keeping the current tax rates, where was the spending cuts to compensate for it?
4) Adding to the national debt with the comprimise, DUH we just had an election telling them not to do that.

Its pretty obvious those who just won the election had no part in the forming of this compromise.



Oh and truthmatters, what were you saying? I'm not here every day

i agree, they needed to be more responsible in this
and should have included spending cuts in the process
but that will come(hopefully) in the new congress

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

Hey NYCaribeener...here is the thread i was talking about when you tried to bring this back up in the other thread you made for something else .

 

[NYcarbineer]

Fail.


Everyone in his party is pissed off about this. To spin it as some kind of brilliant victory is...well, spin.

I didn't say that Krauthammer did. What I said, last week, is that politically, this might be brilliant.

If the economy picks up, Obama now owns the tax cuts (assuming they pass) and can claim the credit. If the economy goes to shit or stays poor, Obama is screwed anyway.

Back in the post 94 '90's, when Clinton pulled this kind of thing, the right used to bitch about Clinton 'co-opting' the Republican agenda.

Keep in mind, I'm still against this.

As usual all the lefties think about is THE GAME.
remember folks, to them it's PARTY OVER COUNTRY

You do realize that Krauthammer is a staunch conservative, right?

 

[Claudette]

I agree with CK. This is a huge stimulus.

One can only hope that the Reps, once they take over the House, will start making the spending cuts that are needed.

Of course anything they try to do will have to make it through the Senate and the veto pen of the Prez.

Will have to wait and see how that goes.