Is it a "Poll Tax"

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    15th Amendment

    Section 1. The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude.
    Section 2. The Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

    19th Amendment

    The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex.
    Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

    24th Amendment

    Section 1. The right of citizens of the United States to vote in any primary or other election for President or Vice President, for electors for President or Vice President, or for Senator or Representative in Congress, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any State by reason of failure to pay any poll tax or other tax.
    Section 2. The Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

    Harper v. Virginia Board of Elections
    It is argued that a State may exact fees from citizens for many different kinds of licenses; that, if it can demand from all an equal fee for a driver's license, [n5] it can demand from all an equal poll tax for voting. But we must remember that the interest of the State, when it comes to voting, is limited to the power to fix qualifications. Wealth, like race, creed, or color, is not germane to one's ability to participate intelligently in the electoral process. Lines drawn on the basis of wealth or property, like those of race (Korematsu v. United States, 323 U.S. 214, 216), are traditionally disfavored. See Edwards v. California, 314 U.S. 160, 184-185 (Jackson, J., concurring); Griffin v. Illinois, 351 U.S. 12; Douglas v. California, 372 U.S. 353. To introduce wealth or payment of a fee as a measure of a voter's qualifications is to introduce a capricious or irrelevant factor.
    Harper v. Virginia Board of Elections


    After consideration of these voter ID laws I have come to the conclusion that with the exception of those states that allow for the exception of voters to vote such as Indiana does by affidavit and provisional ballot , the process by which a voter has to pay for documentation for the sole purpose for obtaining a state approved ID to vote is on its a face a "poll tax". If for example these state who wish a form of ID for a voter to identify themselves in a election to combat voter fraud which seems a little bit of a stretch in my humble opinion given the fact that data suggests the instances of fraud do not justify these laws, then that state would put in place a voter ID where the voter at registration would use the registration card as the voter ID, otherwise why bother to register to vote if additional state ID is required. In addtion if the instances of fraud justified the need for these laws to such a degree then the question is, why now?, why not in the last election, or the one before that or the one before that? I seem to recall a very close election in 2000 where the words "fraud" were being tossed around often especially in Fl. and yet we seemed to survive that with little problem. While many might disagree with me on this one and as they are entitled to, it is my humble opinion these laws serve no useful purpose if they keep on American from voting who is entitled to do so because that American cannot afford the proper documentation.
     
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    See highlight above^. It would be ridiculous to think that a person would be obtaining an ID "for the sole purpose of voting". Is there a single American citizen that can get through life without any form of ID whatsoever? I highly doubt it. That person couldn't be hired w/o valid ID (IRS), couldn't collect public assistance, couldn't do pretty much anything. The term frivolous Lawsuit comes to mind.
     
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    every voter ID law INCLUDES the provision to get a free ID. FREE... lack of cost... unincumbered by expense...
     
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    If an old person in a nursing home needs a photo ID to vote and for no other reason why would that not be called a poll tax?

    For sure there better be absolutely no fee for obtaining such an ID.
     
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    Of course.... any objection to having an ID is ridiculous.
     
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    Short answer is yes a person can go through life without the "required" forms of ID that these new laws impose. While many have various forms if IS , some do not have the "required" form of state ID, and to obtain them they must seek documentation the state requires to do so. If you look at form I-9 you will see that some of those documents that people do have are not accepted forms of ID for the purpose of voting. For example in Texas if you have a "school ID" that is NOT an accepted form of ID, however, it is on form I-9. School records, report cards, etc. are also acceptable forms of ID, as for working in general, there are millions of Americans who work in inner-cities who have never had a drivers license because they have never had a need for one, and elderly Americans who also do not have an ID for the same reason other than perhaps a social security card. All this does not matter though, if these laws keep just a single American from voting who wishes to do so who cannot afford the documentation to aquire these ID's then they are violating not only the constitution but that person(s) rights given them under several Amendments. No, these laws are nothing more than a solution for a non existant problem and do more harm than good. As I mentioned, if they had the intent of making the identity of the voter its main purpose then the voter registration would be the ID.
     
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    Do you honestly believe that "old person" entered a care facility without any form of ID to begin with, and they are just taking care of that person out of the goodness of their hearts... Thanks for the laugh!:lol::lol::lol:
     
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    I can see where I need to expand on this based on some of the postings, while its true these states do have provisions for "Free" ID's the cost to obtain the documentation to get those ID's is not Free and the only state that has a provision according to my read is Indiana. Futher if it is nonsense to oppose this why then is it such an issue now, if it were such an issue, then those that support these ID laws would have advocated for them long ago.
     
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    Unless you desire to commit election fraud, then... Not so much.
     
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    Every State that requires ID to vote gives a free ID. Bam, an entire thread destroyed in one simple sentence. Sucks, doesn't it?
     
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