Is Islam a problem?

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We saw the tyranny over democracy in Myanmar but it does not matters to America. But in the same case in Libya we see another picture. Many countries Israel has nuclear weapon but America has no headache on Palestine Issue. But when Iran has just nuclear plant, they enforce embargo. Is Islam really a problem?
 
Islam itself isn't a problem.....but what it breeds is.

It's like the belief that all Muslims must kill the infidel when you find him.

The actual verse says to kill the infidel when you find him burning down your house, or something to that effect.

Some believe only in the first version.

The problem lies in the interpretation of the meaning of this verse.

Man's pride along with all of his flaws is the problem.
 
Islam itself isn't a problem.....but what it breeds is.

It's like the belief that all Muslims must kill the infidel when you find him.

The actual verse says to kill the infidel when you find him burning down your house, or something to that effect.

Some believe only in the first version.

The problem lies in the interpretation of the meaning of this verse.

Man's pride along with all of his flaws is the problem.
It's exactly the same thing that happens in Christianity.

People take a Bible verse out of context.

And that's when the problem begins. :doubt:
 
Islam didn't become a problem until they found out there was oil under the sands of the Middle East.

It became a problem when somebody else found oil under their sands.....and they started having to interact with infidels.

I guess when a thieve breaks into your house you have to interact with him.
 
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Eminent Islamic Scholar Bernard Lewis, Author of "Islam: The Religion And The People," "Islam and The West," "The Emergence Of Modern Turkey," "The Arabs In History," "The Muslim Discovery Of Europe," "Islam In History: Ideas, People, and Events in the Middle East" "The Political Language of Islam," "Islam: From The Prophet Muhammad to the Capture of Constantinople," The Islamic World: From Classical to Modern Times," "The World Of Islam: Faith, People, Culture," "Political Words And Ideas In Islam"
Almost the entire Muslim world is affected by poverty and tyranny. The combinatoin of low productivity and high birth rate in the Middle East makes for an untenable mix, with a large and rapidly growing population of unemployed, uneducated and frustrated young men. By all indicators from the United Nations, the World Bank and other authorities, the Arab countries--in matters such as job creation, education, technology and productivity--lag further behind the West. Even worse, the Arab nations also lag behind the more recent recruits to Western-style democracy, such as Korea, Taiwan and Singapore.

The comparative figures on the performance of Muslim countries, as reflected in these statistics, are devastating.

In the listing of economies by gross domestic product, the highest ranking Muslim majority country is Turkey, with 64 million inhabitants, in 23rd place, between Austria and Denmark, with about 5 million each. The next is Indonesia, with 212 million, in 28th place, following Norway with 4.5 million and followed by Saudi Arabia with 21 million. In comparative purchasing power, the first Muslim state is Indonesia in 15th place followed by Turkey in 19th place. In living standards as reflected by gross domestic product per head, the first Muslim state is Qatar, in 23rd place, followed by the United Arab Emirates in 23rd place and Kuwait in 28th.

In a listing of industrial output, the highest-ranking Muslim country is Saudi Arabia, number 21, followed by Indonesia, tied with Austria and Belgium in 22nd place and Turkey, tied with Norway in 27th place.

In a listing by manufacturing output, the highest ranking Arab country is Egypt, in 35th place, tying with Norway.

In a listing of life expectancy, the first Arab state is Kuwait, in 32nd place. In ownership of telephone lines per hundred people, the first Muslim country listed is the UAE in 33rd place. In ownership of computers per hundred people, the first Muslim state listed is Bahrain in 30th place.

Book sales present an even more dismal picture. A listing of 27 countries, beginning with the United States and ending with Viet Nam, does not include a single Muslim state. In a human development index, Brunei is number 32, Kuwait 36, Bahrain 40, Qatar 41, the UAE 44, Libya 66 and Saudi Arabia 68.

According to a report on Arab Human Development prepared by a committee of Arab intellectualss, reveals, "the Arab world translates about 330 books annually, one-fifth of the number that Greece translates. The total of translated books since the 9th century is about 100,000, almost the average that Spain translates in one year.

The economic situation is no better. "The GDP in all Arab countries combined stood at $531 billion in 1999---less than that of a single European country, Spain [$595 billion]
http://www.randomhouse.com/book/100850/the-crisis-of-islam-by-bernard-lewis
 
Islam is Not the problem.

Islam is the solution.

Islam is merely plagiarized Judaism and Christianity concocted by a caravan hijacking pedophile married to a 6 year old when he was 53.

You don't have very high standards for your "prophet"
 
It looks like this thread is in for some serious StoneSpamming!! I predict 25 pages of entirely irrelevent quotes from assorted American sources!!

To answer the OP - I think there is a problem with Islam, but I don't think Islam is the problem.

By which I mean, 95% of Muslims live perfectly peacefully and never do anything to hurt anyone, whilst being perfectly good Muslims. They are invariably polite and hospitable to visitors of other religions, and want only peace.

But there is that 5% that clearly are a problem. The extremists and radicals who use Islam as an excuse to wage war. If they were not Muslims, they would be Communists. If they weren't communists, they'd be nationalists - they just want to fight. (In the same way we see posters like Stone use religion to justify racial hatred. If it wasn't Islam - he'd hate some other group).

I do think we in the west need to guard against extremism - but I don't think we need to guard against Islam.
 
Eminent Islamic Scholar Bernard Lewis
If the peoples of the Middle East continue on their present path, the suicide bomber may become a metaphor for the whole region, and there will be no escape from a downward spiral of hate and spite, rage and self-pity, poverty and oppression.

Widespread Poverty Throughout Arab Muslim World

Two in five Arabs live in poverty as a widespread lack of basic elements of human security, such as access to clean water, freedom from hunger, democracy and a robust rule of law, is denying citizens of Arab countries the ability to fulfil their potential, a UN-sponsored report has said.

"One in five people in the Arab region lives below the internationally recognised poverty threshold of $2 a day as poverty and hunger persist in the Arab region despite its comparative affluence. However, a significantly larger proportion of Arabs in countries studied by the report, however, lives under nationally determined poverty lines and still cannot afford bare necessities," said the Arab Human Development Report 2009: Challenges to Human Security in the Arab Countries.

"Large segments of the population in low-income countries face basic deprivation, reflected in inadequate access to safe water and a high incidence of underweight children, with the number of undernourished people in the region rising from almost 20 million in 1990-1992 to 25.5 million in 2002-2004."

The report, which draws on contributions from more than 100 Arab scholars, said that human security, a pre-requisite for human development, was being undermined by unjust political, social, and economic systems, a scramble for power and resources among fragmented social groups and, in some cases and the impact of external military intrusion.

The ability of more than 330 million people in the Arab world to make progress in human development, lead stable lives and fulfil their potential can be achieved only if the sources of insecurity, environmental degradation, discrimination, unemployment, poverty, and hunger are addressed, the report said.

The report released in Manama on Tuesday identified a series of measures to improve human security that include guarantees on universal basic rights and freedoms, especially for women, better protection for the environment, the tackling of poverty and hunger, the expansion of access to affordable health services and ending occupation and military interventions that have caused human suffering and erase decades of economic development.

"The rights of women can be safeguarded by changing laws and attitudes that entrench gender-based discrimination.
gulfnews : Poverty rife in Arab world: UN report
 
And the StoneSpamming begins....

God forbid that posters should be allowed to hold a perfectly normal conversation on a fascinating topic....
 
UN: Arab Muslim World Rife with Illiteracy & Lacks Innovation
U.N. report finds one third of Arabs illiterate and only $10 per person spent on scientific research. The level of education, research and innovation in the Arab world is appalling, a new United Nations report has claimed.

The report, produced as part of a partnership between the United Nations Development Program and the United Arab Emirates-based Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum Foundation, found that despite the efforts of scientists and researchers throughout the region, the Arab world makes up only 1.1% of global scientific publishing and the low level of investment into research has led to relatively low levels of innovation throughout the Arab world.
Examining a number of aspects of "the current Arab knowledge landscape," the report expressed "grave concerns over the state of education in the Arab world," with over one third of the adult population unable to read or write and major educational discrepancies between males and females.

The report found that despite 20% of national budgets in the Arab world being spent on education over the past 40 years, the average Arab individual reads very little compared to other societies and around 60 million Arabs are illiterate, two thirds of them women.

With almost nine million primary school-aged children not attending school in the Arab world, it is predicted that only a few select Arab nations will meet the universal primary education goal of the United Nation's Millennium Development Goals.

The report's harshest criticism was reserved for the lack of investment in academic and scientific research, hampering the ability of Arab nations to meet global occupational, technical and higher education standards. The report found that spending on scientific research in the Arab world does not exceed 0.3% of most nations' GDP and is 97% dependent on government funding.

While nations like Finland were found to spend over $1000 per person on scientific research each year, less than $10 per person is spent annually on scientific research in the Arab world. As a result, the number of patents registered with Arab national institutions is minimal and Arab scientists and researchers account for 1.1% of global scientific publishing.

"Things are really bad," Dr Ghassan Khateeb, Vice President of Community Affairs at Birzeit University in the Palestinian Territories, told The Media Line. "There is a direct relation between the lack of investment and the problematic situation we find ourselves in relation to knowledge."

"This is all related to politics," he continued. "The lack of democracy and lack of knowledge reinforce each other: the lack of education contributes to the lack of democracy and the fact that rulers can remain rulers without the will of the people. In turn, the fact that there is no proper democracy in the Arab world means that there is less incentive among rulers to really invest in knowledge of the kinds of things that have a positive impact on the public which would elect them."

"When there are vicious circles you have to work on both education and democratization together," he said.

The report was also critical of the quality of university education, citing a lack of emphasis on modern communication technologies and specialized sciences. "As a result," the UNDP wrote in a statement, "the region lacks a critical mass of highly skilled professionals equipped with the ability to innovate and capable of answering the needs of the marketplace."

UN: Arab World Rife with Illiteracy & Lacks Innovation | Menassat
 
Islam is a world wide problem and should be scoured from the face of the earth. While that is probably not possible, it should be crushed and marginalized to the point where it is no longer a problem. Ideally, the day will come when Islam is another dead religion like the gods and goddesses of Greece, Rome and the Vikings.
 
Islam is a world wide problem and should be scoured from the face of the earth. While that is probably not possible, it should be crushed and marginalized to the point where it is no longer a problem. Ideally, the day will come when Islam is another dead religion like the gods and goddesses of Greece, Rome and the Vikings.

Problem is multiple marriages sanctioned in islime and the consequent high birth rate. Coupled with the dregs of society, such as prison inmates, who gravitate to its belief system, islime will be around for some time.

Woe to the civilized world
 
And the StoneSpamming begins....

God forbid that posters should be allowed to hold a perfectly normal conversation on a fascinating topic....
Once JStone-brain starts posting on a thread. You can rest assured that all discussion and debate will be derailed by his massive spamming. And all of the posters will go to JStone free threads. :doubt:
 
And the StoneSpamming begins....

God forbid that posters should be allowed to hold a perfectly normal conversation on a fascinating topic....
Once JStone-brain starts posting on a thread. You can rest assured that all discussion and debate will be derailed by his massive spamming. And all of the posters will go to JStone free threads. :doubt:

You're a demonstrably mentally ill whackjob. You're really not in a position to disparage others.

Go pray to your pedophile prophet for the 50th time today.



Dr. Wafa Sultan, Psychiatrist, Among "Time magazine's 100 Men and Women Whose Power, Talent or Moral Example is Transforming Our World http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1975813_1975847_1976751,00.html

Islime Is A Mental Disorder
When I examined the Koran, the hadiths and the Islamic books under my microscope, I came to the absolute conviction that it is impossible--IMPOSSIBLE-- for any human being to read the biography of Muhammad and believe in it and yet emerge a psychologically and mentally healthy person.

Do you remember the way that Muhammad killed Asma bint Marwan? His followers tore her body apart limb from limb while she was breastfeeding her child. When they returned to him shouting, "Allah Akbar," he said: "Two goats would lock horns over her." As you know, goats lock horns over the most inconsequential thing. For Muhammad, however, the killing of a woman while breastfeeding was too trivial an incident for goats to lock horns over. Is this a prophet of God?

The language of Islam is a negative, dead language, replete with violence, anger, hatred and racism. Man is a product of his language, the outcome of the negative and positive language to which he is exposed in his lifetime. If his life is dominated by negative language, he will emerge as a negative, reckless and non-productive person who rejects everything. This is why the negative language of Islam has failed. It has failed to produce people with a positive outlook. It has produced negative people. If we take a look at Islamic societies, we see what that negative man [Muhammad] did.

Islam is a political doctrine which imposes itself by force. Any doctrine whatsoever that calls to kill those who do not believe in it is not a religion. It is a totalitarian doctrine that imposes itself by force.

Read about the life of Muhammad. What do you find there? Nothing but his raids and and his wives. I shudder when I hear the hadith: A woman's paradise is under her husband's foot. The Islamc teachings have become dreadful in the skulls of the Muslims. I see no alternative butr to open these skulls and to clean the life-threatening cancerous cells in these brains.
 
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And the StoneSpamming begins....

God forbid that posters should be allowed to hold a perfectly normal conversation on a fascinating topic....
Once JStone-brain starts posting on a thread. You can rest assured that all discussion and debate will be derailed by his massive spamming. And all of the posters will go to JStone free threads. :doubt:

I dare say most intelligent posters will just go to another forum to get away from the spamming.

I'd really like to discuss discussion forums tighten up on people who are only trying to stop other people discussing the topic.
 
Washington Post: Arab nations lag behind rest of world economically, despite oil and natural gas
Arab nations lag behind rest of world economically, despite oil and natural gas
Amid a massive shift in the politics of the Arab world, the countries of the region are now confronting an economic challenge that is just as steep: how to engage with a global economy that in many ways has passed them by.

The nations of the Arab Middle East sit atop perhaps half of the planet's oil and a third of its natural gas reserves, yet the economies of the region are among the most stagnant.

Hundreds of billions of dollars in hydrocarbon wealth and other receipts - for instance, in the case of Egypt, revenue from the Suez Canal and U.S. foreign aid - have propped up undemocratic governments and subsidized swollen public sectors. But little has been done to create globally competitive economies or employment for a burgeoning number of young adults.

The reasons for this poor record are varied, including repeated wars with Israel and each other, widespread corruption and the overwhelming presence of ruling cliques in the economy.

"We are at a crossroads in terms of governance, but also at a crossroads in terms of the economic agenda," said Tarik Yousef, head of the Dubai School of Government and a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution. Like other scholars, he noted that many other parts of the developing world have sped ahead of the Middle East.

Economists cite a long list of statistics that point to chronic under-performance, sometimes masked by the flow of oil and other wealth but corrosive in the long run.

Even if Arab countries begin to energize their economies, they are late to the global competition and will face a tough battle vying for international capital and business. It is a world in which China has staked its place as the global manufacturing hub, other developing countries from Malaysia to Brazil have established themselves as international players, and modern logistics have made the Middle East's proximity to Europe less of an advantage.

Winston Churchill...
How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy.

The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live.

A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.

Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it.

No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome.
Amazon.com: The River War (9781598184259): Sir Winston S. Churchill: Books
 
Islam is Not the problem.

Islam is the solution.

How Islam is a solution? Is there any explain from you when I say you ( actually the people who are namely Muslim) are not a Muslim. And the Islam you are performing is not Islam at all. How can you give solution by the distorted_ died Islam?
 

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