Is Hellfire A Bible Teaching?

[Youwerecreated]

The Bible is clear, there is eternity in the lake of fire, read revelation. Stop trying to prove something by misrepresenting the Bible. You are preaching false theology and feel good, everyone goes to heaven bull.

The lake of fire is a metaphor for eternal destruction.

If you're a human, you have a beginning, and therefore, cannot even consider being anywhere for eternity, as that would mean that you are damned before you're even born (or have sinned).

A loving God wouldn't do that.

The punishment for sin is death,that is exactly why everyone dies. No man can lve without committing a sin. Once our sinful nature is removed we can and will live forever more.

 

[hortysir]

ALTER2EGO -to- EVERYONE:

Part and parcel with the false teaching of hellfire is another false teaching: the immortal soul dogma. According to the immortal soul teaching, when the body of an individual dies, the soul (which is said to be invisible) comes out of the dead body and goes off either to heaven or to hell.

Just as the Judeo-Christian Bible does not support the hellfire dogma, it likewise does not teach that humans have an immortal soul that survives a person's physical death. This teaching of the immortal soul is another teaching copied from pagan religions by the Roman Catholics and grafted into their version of Christianity--after Jesus returned to heavenly life. (As a reminder, pagans are those who do not worship the God of the Judeo-Christian Bible.) Then the Protestants broke away from the Catholics and carried this false teaching with them, in addition to other Roman Catholic teachings that are also false.

The "soul" is actually the 'breath of life' given to us.
It returns to the Giver and held until we are transformed into our perfect bodies.

I can cite scripture and translations to support my argument.
Where's the proof of your claim?

The scriptures say's the soul that sins dies how would you explain that ?

Eze 18:20 The soul which does sin will be put to death: the son will not be made responsible for the evil-doing of the father, or the father for the evil-doing of the son; the righteousness of the upright will be on himself, and the evil-doing of the evil-doer on himsel

Ezekiel was a prophet of God.

That 'breath of life' won't be resurrecting your glorious form. It will die.

Nothing anti-Scripture about what I said.

 

[Youwerecreated]

The "soul" is actually the 'breath of life' given to us.
It returns to the Giver and held until we are transformed into our perfect bodies.

I can cite scripture and translations to support my argument.
Where's the proof of your claim?

The scriptures say's the soul that sins dies how would you explain that ?

Eze 18:20 The soul which does sin will be put to death: the son will not be made responsible for the evil-doing of the father, or the father for the evil-doing of the son; the righteousness of the upright will be on himself, and the evil-doing of the evil-doer on himsel

Ezekiel was a prophet of God.

That 'breath of life' won't be resurrecting your glorious form. It will die.

Nothing anti-Scripture about what I said.

I thought you were saying the soul lives on ? I was just pointing out the soul is a living creature whether man or animal.

 

[ABikerSailor]

The lake of fire is a metaphor for eternal destruction.

If you're a human, you have a beginning, and therefore, cannot even consider being anywhere for eternity, as that would mean that you are damned before you're even born (or have sinned).

A loving God wouldn't do that.

The punishment for sin is death,that is exactly why everyone dies. No man can lve without committing a sin. Once our sinful nature is removed we can and will live forever more.

Forever has a beginning, and goes on from there. Eternity has always been here, always will be here, and doesn't have a beginning.

If you have a beginning, yes, you can be forever, but you can't be eternal.

Try again You Were Excreted.

 

[AmericanFirst]

ALTER2EGO -to- EVERYONE:

Part and parcel with the false teaching of hellfire is another false teaching: the immortal soul dogma. According to the immortal soul teaching, when the body of an individual dies, the soul (which is said to be invisible) comes out of the dead body and goes off either to heaven or to hell.

Just as the Judeo-Christian Bible does not support the hellfire dogma, it likewise does not teach that humans have an immortal soul that survives a person's physical death. This teaching of the immortal soul is another teaching copied from pagan religions by the Roman Catholics and grafted into their version of Christianity--after Jesus returned to heavenly life. (As a reminder, pagans are those who do not worship the God of the Judeo-Christian Bible.) Then the Protestants broke away from the Catholics and carried this false teaching with them, in addition to other Roman Catholic teachings that are also false.

The Bible is clear, there is eternity in the lake of fire, read revelation. Stop trying to prove something by misrepresenting the Bible. You are preaching false theology and feel good, everyone goes to heaven bull.

The lake of fire is a metaphor for eternal destruction.

Not a metaphor, a stern warning. Feel good theology believes it is a metaphor, God doesn't.

 

[Marie888]

ALTER2EGO -to- EVERYONE:

The teaching of hellfire is commonplace in Christendom and non-Christian religions. This teaching defames the Creator and portrays him as a sadist who tortures people in flames of fire for all eternity—as punishment for wrongdoing committed during the relatively brief human lifespan. The hellfire dogma was brought into Christianity by the Roman Catholics who copied it from pagan religions. (Pagans are those who do not worship the God of the Judeo-Christian Bible.)

The Bible makes it clear as to how God views the ritual burning of people. Jehovah ended up rejecting the ancient Israelites after they got involved with pagan worship, which included burning their children to death.

"And they [the Israelites/sons of Judah] have built the high places of Topheth, which is in the valley of the son of Hinnom, in order to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire, a thing that I had not commanded and that HAD NOT COME UP INTO MY HEART." (Jeremiah 7:31)


"{58} And they kept offending him with their high places, and with their graven images they kept inciting him to jealousy. {59} God heard and got to be furious, and he condemned Israel very much. {60} And he finally forsook the tabernacle of Shiloh, the tent in which he resided among earthling men."
(Psalms 78:58-60)


The scriptures indicate that hell is nothing more than mankind’s common grave. Proof of this is provided by a verse of scripture in the Bible, which no hellfire-believing Christian can explain away. I’m referring to the scripture that says Jesus Christ--the epitome of a perfect, sinless, and obedient man--died and went to hell.

"{21} In fact, to this course you were called, because even Christ suffered for you, leaving you a model for you to follow his steps closely. {22} He committed no sin, nor was deception found in his mouth." (1 Peter 2:21-22)


"He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that HIS SOUL WAS NOT LEFT IN HELL, neither his flesh did see corruption."
(Acts 2:31--King James Version)


NOTE #1: The Bible uses the word "fire" symbolically to indicate cleansing OR permanent death OR permanent destruction. In the few times when the Bible used the word "fire" literally, it was with reference to events such as the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah--at which point, the individuals did not suffer eternal torment, they died immediately.

NOTE #2: the words "Hell" and "Hades" and "Sheol" and "Pit" are synonyms that mean THE GRAVE (of mankind).

NOTE #3: "High Places" as used in the scriptures that I quote in this thread refer to the worship of the false gods.


DISCUSSION QUESTIONS:
1. According to Jeremiah 7:31, did Jehovah command the ancient Israelites to burn anyone in the fire?

2. According to Jeremiah 7:31, did the burning of people come to God's heart?

3. According to Jeremiah 7:31 and Psalms 78:58-59, did the ancient Israelites offend God by getting involved with false worship in their "high places", which included burning people to death?

4. According to those who teach hellfire torment, hell is a place for people who are wicked and sinful. If Hellfire is for wicked people, why did Jesus spend three days in hell--considering that it says at 1 Peter 2:22 that he did not commit any sin?

5. Jesus obeyed Jehovah and died a slow and torturous death for mankind. Hadn't he suffered enough? He'd suffered terribly--because of being obedient to his Heavenly Father. So why was he being punished again with burning hellfire? What's the logic for punishing him all over again?

6. Recall that after Jesus' resurrection, he appeared and spoke to several of his faithful apostles on different occasions before he returned to heaven. Why is it that Jesus made no mention to any of his apostles--after his resurrection--that he went to hell where he burned for three days?

7. When people are being tortured in hellfire, wouldn't they have to KNOW or be conscious/aware of the fact that they are being burned? I mean to say, what's the point of punishing people in hell if they aren't even aware?

8. Those who believe in eternal torment say that the person's soul is being burned forever. What is the soul? Is it something separate from the person's body? Are animals souls also or is this only for humans?

Hodge Podge @ the above. (The OP opinion, not @ God's Word) Gotta read the Bible ourselves. Better yet, ask the Lord ourselves for the truth about it (knowing to keep an open mind and listen to Him; not "man".) Read the links below and test it yourself with the verses given from the links, etc.



Hell | What is hell? | Define hell | Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry <--- Explanation with verses, etc.

Hell

Hell is the future place of eternal punishment of the damned including the devil and his fallen angels. There are several words rendered as Hell: Hades - A Greek word. It is the place of the dead, the location of the person between death and resurrection. (See Matt. 11:23; 16:18; Acts 11:27; 1 Cor. 15:55; Rev. 1:18; 6:8). Gehenna - A Greek word. It was the place where dead bodies were dumped and burned (2 Kings 23:13-14). Jesus used the word to designate the place of eternal torment (Matt. 5:22,29,30; Mark 9:43; Luke 12:5). Sheol - A Hebrew word. It is the place of the dead, not necessarily the grave, but the place the dead go to. It is used of both the righteous (Psalm 16:10; 30:3; Isaiah 38:10) and the wicked (Num. 16:33; Job. 24:19; Psalm 9:17). Hell is a place of eternal fire (Matt. 25:41; Rev. 19:20). It was prepared for the devil and his angels (Matt. 25:41) and will be the abode of the wicked (Rev. 21:8) and the fallen angels (2 Pet. 2:4).

Hell | Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry <--- Explanation with verses, etc.

Hell is one of those subjects that makes people uncomfortable. We hear stories of hell being a place of fire, demons, and endless torment. Throughout history many authors have written about it -- Dante's Inferno, for example. Western culture is very familiar with the concept Even Hollywood has made it the subject of many movies. Whatever the context, whatever the belief, hell is definitely taught in the Bible. But even the doctrine of hell is not without its controversy. Some say it is only the grave with no consciousness. Others say it is a place of correction and punishment that is not eternal. Others say it is an endless agonizing punishment in fire. Whichever it is, hell is the total absence of the favor of God.

Conclusion
Hell is a real place. It is not mere unconsciousness. It is not temporal. It is eternal torment. Perhaps that is why Jesus spoke more of hell than heaven and spent so much time warning people not to go there. After all, if people just stopped existing, why warn them? If it was temporal, they'd get out in a while. But if it were eternal and conscious, then the warning is strong.

Jesus said, "And if your right eye makes you stumble, tear it out, and throw it from you; for it is better for you that one of the parts of your body perish, than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. 30 "And if your right hand makes you stumble, cut it off, and throw it from you; for it is better for you that one of the parts of your body perish, than for your whole body to go into hell," (Matt. 5:29-30).

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[Youwerecreated]

If you're a human, you have a beginning, and therefore, cannot even consider being anywhere for eternity, as that would mean that you are damned before you're even born (or have sinned).

A loving God wouldn't do that.

The punishment for sin is death,that is exactly why everyone dies. No man can lve without committing a sin. Once our sinful nature is removed we can and will live forever more.

Forever has a beginning, and goes on from there. Eternity has always been here, always will be here, and doesn't have a beginning.

If you have a beginning, yes, you can be forever, but you can't be eternal.

Try again You Were Excreted.

How bout everlasting life, will that work for you ?

Dan 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

Now what is this everlasting contempt.

2Th 1:9 who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power,

Isa 10:3 And what will you do in the day of judgment and in destruction, of ruin when it comes from afar? To whom will you flee for help? And where will you leave your glory?

Mat 7:13 Go in through the narrow gate, for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and many there are who go in through it.

 

[Youwerecreated]

The Bible is clear, there is eternity in the lake of fire, read revelation. Stop trying to prove something by misrepresenting the Bible. You are preaching false theology and feel good, everyone goes to heaven bull.

The lake of fire is a metaphor for eternal destruction.

Not a metaphor, a stern warning. Feel good theology believes it is a metaphor, God doesn't.

I really don't want to give a bible lesson everything cast into the lake fire will be no more.

This verse contradicts your doctrine would you explain how it does not contradict what you believe ?

Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the Lake of Fire. This is the second death.

If it was not a metaphor then how can you cast death and hell into the lake of fire ?

Notice it say's this is the 2nd death proving the ones that are judged and found guilty they will die again. There will be no more death and no more graves that is the metaphor for the lake of fire.

 

[AmericanFirst]

The lake of fire is a metaphor for eternal destruction.

Not a metaphor, a stern warning. Feel good theology believes it is a metaphor, God doesn't.

I really don't want to give a bible lesson everything cast into the lake fire will be no more.

This verse contradicts your doctrine would you explain how it does not contradict what you believe ?

Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the Lake of Fire. This is the second death.

If it was not a metaphor then how can you cast death and hell into the lake of fire ?

Notice it say's this is the 2nd death proving the ones that are judged and found guilty they will die again. There will be no more death and no more graves that is the metaphor for the lake of fire.

Non Christians that die stay in the grave until the Great White Throne Judgment, this is where they are thrown into the lake of fire to suffer for eternity, the second death, death as in eternal torment. When you understand the Bible you will understand this.

 

[Youwerecreated]

Not a metaphor, a stern warning. Feel good theology believes it is a metaphor, God doesn't.

I really don't want to give a bible lesson everything cast into the lake fire will be no more.

This verse contradicts your doctrine would you explain how it does not contradict what you believe ?

Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the Lake of Fire. This is the second death.

If it was not a metaphor then how can you cast death and hell into the lake of fire ?

Notice it say's this is the 2nd death proving the ones that are judged and found guilty they will die again. There will be no more death and no more graves that is the metaphor for the lake of fire.

Non Christians that die stay in the grave until the Great White Throne Judgment, this is where they are thrown into the lake of fire to suffer for eternity, the second death, death as in eternal torment. When you understand the Bible you will understand this.

Yes the first resurrection are the ones that will have a chance at everlasting life these will be the ones that live in the thousand year reign of christ. Then after that thousand year reign the unrighteous will be ressurected to judgment where the unjust, satan and his followers,death and hell will be cast into the lake of fire. In other words the lake of fire will be the end of all evil everything cast into the lake of fire where they die forever more.

The torment is a metaphor as well it is the separation from God that is the torment they that are cast into the lake of fire will be destroyed forever more.

The verse i posted said the the lake of fire is the 2nd death so how does that support the view they will be tormented forever more ?

 

[Youwerecreated]

Not a metaphor, a stern warning. Feel good theology believes it is a metaphor, God doesn't.

I really don't want to give a bible lesson everything cast into the lake fire will be no more.

This verse contradicts your doctrine would you explain how it does not contradict what you believe ?

Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the Lake of Fire. This is the second death.

If it was not a metaphor then how can you cast death and hell into the lake of fire ?

Notice it say's this is the 2nd death proving the ones that are judged and found guilty they will die again. There will be no more death and no more graves that is the metaphor for the lake of fire.

Non Christians that die stay in the grave until the Great White Throne Judgment, this is where they are thrown into the lake of fire to suffer for eternity, the second death, death as in eternal torment. When you understand the Bible you will understand this.

How can they suffer for eternity if they are dead ? would a loving and just God torment someone forever ?

What does the word destruction mean to you ?

 

[jillian]

oh good lord.

why do people think political messageboards are intended for them to proselytize?

 

[Youwerecreated]

oh good lord.

why do people think political messageboards are intended for them to proselytize?

Is this the religion and ethics forum ?

What do you think evolutionist and atheist's do in this forum ?

 

[Alter2Ego]

ALTER2EGO -to- EVERYONE:

Part and parcel with the false teaching of hellfire is another false teaching: the immortal soul dogma. According to the immortal soul teaching, when the body of an individual dies, the soul (which is said to be invisible) comes out of the dead body and goes off either to heaven or to hell.

Just as the Judeo-Christian Bible does not support the hellfire dogma, it likewise does not teach that humans have an immortal soul that survives a person's physical death. This teaching of the immortal soul is another teaching copied from pagan religions by the Roman Catholics and grafted into their version of Christianity--after Jesus returned to heavenly life. (As a reminder, pagans are those who do not worship the God of the Judeo-Christian Bible.) Then the Protestants broke away from the Catholics and carried this false teaching with them, in addition to other Roman Catholic teachings that are also false.

The "soul" is actually the 'breath of life' given to us.
It returns to the Giver and held until we are transformed into our perfect bodies.

I can cite scripture and translations to support my argument.
Where's the proof of your claim?

ALTER2EGO -to- HORTYSIR:
The Bible makes it clear that the literal soul is the entire person and not a separate part of the person. The few times when the word "soul" is used figuratively in the Bible, it is usually with reference with one's resurrection hope.

There are no verses that describe the soul as "the breath of life" that returns to the Giver. What you are referring to is the spirit that returns to God. The spirit refers to the life force within living persons. When we die, the force of life is no longer present--God takes it back to himself. Meanwhile, the person returns to dust.

"Then the dust returns to the earth just as it happened to be and the spirit itself returns to the true God who gave it." (Ecclesiastes 12:7)

 

[Alter2Ego]

ALTER2EGO -to- EVERYONE:

Part and parcel with the false teaching of hellfire is another false teaching: the immortal soul dogma. According to the immortal soul teaching, when the body of an individual dies, the soul (which is said to be invisible) comes out of the dead body and goes off either to heaven or to hell.

Just as the Judeo-Christian Bible does not support the hellfire dogma, it likewise does not teach that humans have an immortal soul that survives a person's physical death. This teaching of the immortal soul is another teaching copied from pagan religions by the Roman Catholics and grafted into their version of Christianity--after Jesus returned to heavenly life. (As a reminder, pagans are those who do not worship the God of the Judeo-Christian Bible.) Then the Protestants broke away from the Catholics and carried this false teaching with them, in addition to other Roman Catholic teachings that are also false.

The Bible is clear, there is eternity in the lake of fire, read revelation. Stop trying to prove something by misrepresenting the Bible. You are preaching false theology and feel good, everyone goes to heaven bull.

ALTER2EGO -to- AMERICAN FIRST:
You fail to realize that the book of Revelation uses mostly symbolic language throughout. The very first verse of Revelation, in the very first chapter, makes this clear.

"A revelation by Jesus Christ, which God gave him, to show his slaves the things that must shortly take place. And he sent forth his angel and PRESENTED IT IN SIGNS through him to his slave John," (Revelation 1:1)


A symbol represents something else. Many of the terms used in the book of revelation are symbolic of other things. The Bible uses the "lake of fire" in Revelation to symbolize permanent death or permanent destruction.

 

[ABikerSailor]

Yanno, considering the fact that Yeshua (Jesus) was Jewish, who followed the beliefs and rules of the people of Israel, and then factor in their belief in the afterlife (there's no hell, just a place where you are purified so that you may return to Heaven), why is it that so many Christians believe in the version of hell created by Dante for the Catholic church?

 

[BadJesus]

In the Old Testament the Angels/Stars in heaven/outerspace, where do they fall to? The earth of course. Then they became trapped in the material dimension and forgot they were infinite beings of light energy. The material dimension is hell and we are the fallen ones. Beings of light. Welcome to hell, enjoy your stay, you can check out any time you like but you can never leave...

Every man and every woman is a STAR, there is no god but man. ~Aleister Crowley

 

[Alter2Ego]

ALTER2EGO -to- EVERYONE:

The immortal soul dogma is unscriptural and is used to maintain the false teaching of hellfire. According to this falsehood, the "soul" survives the physical death of the person and continues to live in fiery torment. There are no scriptures in the Judeo-Christian Bible that support the teaching of an immortal soul that continues living after the person dies. The Bible makes it clear that the soul is the entire person and that when the person dies, it is the soul--the entire person--that actually dies.

"Look! All the souls--to me they belong. As the soul of the father so likewise the soul of the son--to me they belong. The soul that is sinning--it itself will die." (Ezekiel 18:4)

~***~​

 

[Big Black Dog]

You should make an appointment with the Pope to discuss this. You're way off base...

 

[Avatar4321]

Define Hellfire.