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Which screws the Elderly more?
Making them false promises of support when we don't have the money and refusing to make adjustments until we have no money and they have to drop dead because of that?
Being honest with the fact that we don't have money and encouraging people to make alternative means of taking care of themselves?
You make these problems by lying to people amd somehow we are the uncompassionate people.
Screwing the elderly and disabled is a GOP family value. Before FDR, and after, the GOP always wanted to throw the elderly and disabled under the bus.
don't take my word for it, look at their votes in Congress and the GOP Presidents who fought Medicare. What was life like for the elderly and disabled in America before liberals gave them a safety net?
Wait until you and America gets the bill for obama care. If you think the GOP is tring to cut benifits from the elderly you haven't seen nothing yet.
Yes, I think so. "Every year since 2003 ( all Bush/Cheney years, except 2), Congress has deferred" cuts "with backing from Democrats and Republicans" Cuts which were supposed to happen "because of a decade-old formula set up by Congress to slow the growth of Medicare."
Passing the buck all these years to save Bush/Cheney's asses, and now screwing the elderly and disabled when they need help the most. I think this is what the GOP will do.
Obama Urges Congress to Avert Medicare Pay Cuts
Rationing, which is what youy are talking about has already been approved by and signed by obama and the democrats. Don't believe me read the law it's there.Some Democrats might vote with the GOP, but that will not negate the fact that the GOP has always wanted to cut Medicare and will vote as a block to do so now -- after putting this off for years under Bush.
The GOP will vote to allow the elderly and disabled to die in oder to beat Obama.
Big surprise here, not!
The GOP's con-sheeple have a difficult time debating arguments without spoon fed talking points. The con-sheeple need pre- framed arguments developed and fed out by the Con Noise Machine Media in order to argue without setting up straw men or making personal attacks.
Yes, I think so. "Every year since 2003 ( all Bush/Cheney years, except 2), Congress has deferred" cuts "with backing from Democrats and Republicans" Cuts which were supposed to happen "because of a decade-old formula set up by Congress to slow the growth of Medicare."
Passing the buck all these years to save Bush/Cheney's asses, and now screwing the elderly and disabled when they need help the most. I think this is what the GOP will do.
I think I am going to love this board. GOP SHEEPLE
Rationing, which is what youy are talking about has already been approved by and signed by obama and the democrats. Don't believe me read the law it's there.Some Democrats might vote with the GOP, but that will not negate the fact that the GOP has always wanted to cut Medicare and will vote as a block to do so now -- after putting this off for years under Bush.
The GOP will vote to allow the elderly and disabled to die in oder to beat Obama.
clue: I posted the link. I know what Obama said.
What I am saying is in a different context. The GOP will try to cut medicare under Obama, after putting off for 8 years under bush, their desire to do so,
Screwing the elderly and disabled is a GOP family value. Before FDR, and after, the GOP always wanted to throw the elderly and disabled under the bus.
don't take my word for it, look at their votes in Congress and the GOP Presidents who fought Medicare. What was life like for the elderly and disabled in America before liberals gave them a safety net?
clue: I posted the link. I know what Obama said.
What I am saying is in a different context. The GOP will try to cut medicare under Obama, after putting off for 8 years under bush, their desire to do so,
You really do enjoy that Kool-Aid don't you?
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Screwing the elderly and disabled is a GOP family value. Before FDR, and after, the GOP always wanted to throw the elderly and disabled under the bus.
don't take my word for it, look at their votes in Congress and the GOP Presidents who fought Medicare. What was life like for the elderly and disabled in America before liberals gave them a safety net?
How is promising them aid you can't deliver on them showing compassion to them? Why is being honest with them and letting them know they still need to be an important part of our community throwing them under the bus?
You can't comprehend the idea of government not controlling every aspect of our life can you? If someone opposes government programs and spending, they clearly don't care about the people involved as far as you're concerned.
This is because you are too busy outsourcing your charity to do it yourself.
Dems still have a majority right? Did I miss something?
What are you arguing about now? The GOP has historically been opposed to Medicare.
Until liberals fought to enact Medicare, we had elderly and the disabled living in the richest country in the world, going without even the most basic medical care.
That is the GOP's America,
Rationing, which is what youy are talking about has already been approved by and signed by obama and the democrats. Don't believe me read the law it's there.Some Democrats might vote with the GOP, but that will not negate the fact that the GOP has always wanted to cut Medicare and will vote as a block to do so now -- after putting this off for years under Bush.
The GOP will vote to allow the elderly and disabled to die in oder to beat Obama.
You are speaking of another issue. This has to do with cutting payments to doctors, which the GOP supports yet putt off doing under Bush. The trouble is some think some elderly and disabled will go without basic care, that is not about rationing.
Rationing? We already have it. If you are aware and honest you know American's health care policies already ration care.
Rationing, which is what youy are talking about has already been approved by and signed by obama and the democrats. Don't believe me read the law it's there.
You are speaking of another issue. This has to do with cutting payments to doctors, which the GOP supports yet putt off doing under Bush. The trouble is some think some elderly and disabled will go without basic care, that is not about rationing.
Rationing? We already have it. If you are aware and honest you know American's health care policies already ration care.
Rationing vs. cutting payments? whats the difference? If payments are cut then something has to be rationed. progressives and there twisted word games only works on the sheeple.
Screwing the elderly and disabled is a GOP family value. Before FDR, and after, the GOP always wanted to throw the elderly and disabled under the bus.
don't take my word for it, look at their votes in Congress and the GOP Presidents who fought Medicare. What was life like for the elderly and disabled in America before liberals gave them a safety net?
Keep plying the part line, and ignoring the facts. Obama is responsible for this because he lied to everyone, and is blaming the Republicans in the hopes that all the Obamazombies will line up behind him. Keep drinking the Kool-Aid
reading and comprehension not your strong suit? or is your blissful ignorance beefed up by willful blindness?
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Yes, I think so. "Every year since 2003 ( all Bush/Cheney years, except 2), Congress has deferred" cuts "with backing from Democrats and Republicans" Cuts which were supposed to happen "because of a decade-old formula set up by Congress to slow the growth of Medicare."
Passing the buck all these years to save Bush/Cheney's asses, and now screwing the elderly and disabled when they need help the most. I think this is what the GOP will do.
Obama Urges Congress to Avert Medicare Pay Cuts
reading and comprehension not your strong suit? or is your blissful ignorance beefed up by willful blindness?
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Yes, I think so. "Every year since 2003 ( all Bush/Cheney years, except 2), Congress has deferred" cuts "with backing from Democrats and Republicans" Cuts which were supposed to happen "because of a decade-old formula set up by Congress to slow the growth of Medicare."
Passing the buck all these years to save Bush/Cheney's asses, and now screwing the elderly and disabled when they need help the most. I think this is what the GOP will do.
Obama Urges Congress to Avert Medicare Pay Cuts
Newsflash:
According to Obama both parties are responsible for this.
Since 2003, Congress has acted to prevent these pay cuts from going into effect. These votes were largely bipartisan, and they succeeded when Democrats ran Congress and when Republicans ran Congress which was most of the time.
This year, a majority of Congress is willing to prevent a pay cut of 21% a pay cut that would undoubtedly force some doctors to stop seeing Medicare patients altogether. But this time, some Senate Republicans may even block a vote on this issue. After years of voting to defer these cuts, the other party is now willing to walk away from the needs of our doctors and our seniors.
The real issue here is not that this has been done since 2003, by both Democrats and Republicans, the real issue is that Obamacare passed as a deficit reduction bill based on the assumption that these cuts would no longer be postponed. Now Obama is begging Congress to ignore what he said at the beginning of the year, and delaythe cuts, thus further wrecking the budget.
Keep drinking the Kool-Aid, it is good for you.
clue: I posted the link. I know what Obama said.
What I am saying is in a different context. The GOP will try to cut medicare under Obama, after putting off for 8 years under bush, their desire to do so,
You are speaking of another issue. This has to do with cutting payments to doctors, which the GOP supports yet putt off doing under Bush. The trouble is some think some elderly and disabled will go without basic care, that is not about rationing.
Rationing? We already have it. If you are aware and honest you know American's health care policies already ration care.
Rationing vs. cutting payments? whats the difference? If payments are cut then something has to be rationed. progressives and there twisted word games only works on the sheeple.
If you want to discuss rationing health care, that is another issue. Using your argument I can bring many issues into this discussion to give cover to the GOP. I can say the costs of test are equal to cutting. I can say the costs of malpractice insurance are equal to (have similar end-results) cost cutting. But that would only muddy the issue at hand and give cover to the GOP.
You have not refuted my basic premises.
thank you
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What are you arguing about now? The GOP has historically been opposed to Medicare.
Until liberals fought to enact Medicare, we had elderly and the disabled living in the richest country in the world, going without even the most basic medical care.
That is the GOP's America,
No, the GOP America is a grand old place where people actually work to provide themselves for a living. We encourage people to be self sufficient. And to provide charity through private actions rather than outsourcing our charity to the government. You see, we believe that individuals need to have the freedom to control their money, property, and make their own choices on how to help people. It's a crazy concept. We don't pretend we are somehow compassionate for taking money from other people to give it to others through the use of force. We don't pretend that the Elderly or disabled persons are somehow incompetant. Nor do we think that they have no value they can share with the community. In fact, we believe they are some of the most capable people among us.
But oddly enough you do. You think that if someone is old, they are too incompetant to take care of themselves. Instead, youd rather lie to them and tell them that it's alright if they never think about what their life is going to be in the future or plan ahead because you, through the gracious use of government force, will provide everything you can for them by using other peoples money.
