Is God competent or incompetent?

[Auld Phart]

yes


Competent to believers

incompetent to non-believers

Which is delusional?

Regards
DL

Both?

Neither?

I really don't care.

but I am tired of both trying to push their opinions on the other.

The maybe being in a religious forum is not the best place for you, eh?

Why should I forego the pleasure of zealots, on both sides of the question, make fools of themselves?

 

[GreatestIam]

yes


Competent to believers

incompetent to non-believers

Which is delusional?

Regards
DL

Both?

Neither?

I really don't care.

but I am tired of both trying to push their opinions on the other.

Why?

Do you think that the fact that religions promote homophobia and misogyny as well as the love of a genocidal son murdering prick of a God might have people going against such evil beliefs for good reasons?

Or should that evil be ignored by good people?

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

Is God competent or incompetent?


We are told in scriptures that evil begets evil and good begets good. God, as our creator, according to scriptures, creates us all as sinners, which many see as evil.


God can thus be seen and judged as being the original sinner since the fruits of his labor (us) went bad or are born bad. A tree is known by its fruits. What else could come from a sinner tree but sin?


I give God a fail on competence for the following reasons.

God created heaven that produced Satan. Fail.

God created Eden which produced Original Sin. Fail.

God had to reboot creation with Noah’s flood. Fail.

God sent his son to forgive mankind instead of stepping up himself. Fail, for moral reasons.

God also had to create hell for his rejects which scriptures say will be the vast majority of us. Fail.


Jesus said we would know his people by their works and deeds and if we believe that, then the Christian God would obviously be rejected by Jesus and agree with my fail judgement.


Do you agree?


Regards

DL

Note how they only attack the God of the Jews and Christians?

Their venom just validates who the one true God is.

That is not what see.

The notion of a true God is idiotic idol worshiping tactic.

Regards
DL

God is laughing at you.

Thanks for sharing your delusion.

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

Is God competent or incompetent?
You tell me:
View attachment 171961

Competent.

You look for exceptions when you should be looking for the rules.

Semi-competent until he stops fucking up.

He's not the one fucking up. We are.

Who fucked up there?

Do you know what it means that evil is not extant?

Do you agree that evil is not extant?

What is the source of this evil you see?

Regards
DL

 

[RWNJ]

Is God competent or incompetent?
You tell me:
View attachment 171961

Competent.

You look for exceptions when you should be looking for the rules.

Semi-competent until he stops fucking up.

He's not the one fucking up. We are.

Christians are always trying to absolve God of moral culpability in the fall by whipping out their favorite "free will!", or “ it’s all man’s fault”.

That is "God gave us free will and it was our free willed choices that caused our fall. Hence God is not blameworthy."

But this simply avoids God's culpability as the author of Human Nature. Free will is only the ability to choose. It is not an explanation why anyone would want to choose "A" or "B" (bad or good action). An explanation for why Eve would even have the nature of "being vulnerable to being easily swayed by a serpent" and "desiring to eat a forbidden fruit" must lie in the nature God gave Eve in the first place. Hence God is culpable for deliberately making humans with a nature-inclined-to-fall, and "free will" means nothing as a response to this problem.

If all sin by nature then, the sin nature is dominant. If not, we would have at least some who would not sin. That being the case, for God to punish us for following the instincts and natures he put in us would be quite wrong.

Regards
DL

Adam and Eve were created perfect in every way. But they CHOSE to sin. They could have have chosen not to, but they didn't. Regardless, it was still their choice. All they had to do was obey one simple command. Don't eat that apple. But they did it anyway. There is also the fact that God knew they would sin before he even created them. Why would he do that? I don't claim to know, but God has a plan for us. Anyway, He is God. He can do anything he wants, as far as I'm concerned.

Speaking of which, why are you concerned about this? Do you even believe in God? If not, why are you obsessing over this? That's an indication of a serious mental disorder. You should seek professional help. If you DO believe in God, you seem to think that you know better than the one who created you. That's just bat shit crazy. Forget the professional help. Ask them to lock you up and throw away the key.

 

[RWNJ]

Is God competent or incompetent?


We are told in scriptures that evil begets evil and good begets good. God, as our creator, according to scriptures, creates us all as sinners, which many see as evil.


God can thus be seen and judged as being the original sinner since the fruits of his labor (us) went bad or are born bad. A tree is known by its fruits. What else could come from a sinner tree but sin?


I give God a fail on competence for the following reasons.

God created heaven that produced Satan. Fail.

God created Eden which produced Original Sin. Fail.

God had to reboot creation with Noah’s flood. Fail.

God sent his son to forgive mankind instead of stepping up himself. Fail, for moral reasons.

God also had to create hell for his rejects which scriptures say will be the vast majority of us. Fail.


Jesus said we would know his people by their works and deeds and if we believe that, then the Christian God would obviously be rejected by Jesus and agree with my fail judgement.


Do you agree?


Regards

DL

Note how they only attack the God of the Jews and Christians?

Their venom just validates who the one true God is.

That is not what see.

The notion of a true God is idiotic idol worshiping tactic.

Regards
DL

God is laughing at you.

Thanks for sharing your delusion.

Regards
DL

The delusion is thinking that you are better than God. Think about that for a minute.

 

[ding]

The common thread here is that all those problems are through the Christian bastardization of The Judaic teachings/ concepts/precepts.
They don't become fails or confused when using the original understanding/descriptions.

I agree.

Note how Christians see a fall in Eden while Jews see man's elevation.

Christians got the beginning wrong so it is not surprising that they would get most of scriptures wrong.

Regards
DL

And yet what this Christian saw was the self evident truth that man knows right from wrong and when he violates it, rather than abandoning the concept of right and wrong, he rationalizes that he did not violate it. And that man is the only animal capable of knowledge of good and evil. No other creature has this concept. Sure animals can have empathy, but not like man. Animals function on impulse and instinct. Man functions on these too, but in man's case he has the unique ability to override his impulses and instinct for the sake of good. That is free will. It's a choice. Everything is choice.

Genesis isn't implying that had Adam and Eve never committed the original sin, we would live in paradise forever. Genesis is saying that man has the capacity to do good and evil. So then the question begs why did God create such a world. I believe that that is an artifact of life. In other words, I don't believe God had a choice. It is part and parcel of the extant nature of good. I know people will howl that I said God had no choice but the reality is there are things God can't do. For instance, God can't oppose Himself; He can't go against His own nature.

So there are two very interesting things which come out of free will. One is that evil has the effect of making good better. It's like salt and sugar. Salt makes sugar taste sweeter. We are told elsewhere that He uses all things for the good of those who love Him. Among other things the Jews discovered is that there is meaning in suffering. 07 Judaism

The other interesting thing is that good has no meaning unless there is evil. In other words, it is not virtuous if you are forced to be virtuous.

In closing, man prefers good over evil. We don't do evil for evil's sake. We do evil for the sake of our own good and when we do, we rationalize that we didn't do evil. But from these acts, goodness will arise and we will be stronger for it. It is a self compensating feature whose sole purpose is to propel consciousness to the next rung in the anthropological ladder.

Now go fuck yourself.

 

[GreatestIam]

The common thread here is that all those problems are through the Christian bastardization of The Judaic teachings/ concepts/precepts.
They don't become fails or confused when using the original understanding/descriptions.

I agree.

Note how Christians see a fall in Eden while Jews see man's elevation.

Christians got the beginning wrong so it is not surprising that they would get most of scriptures wrong.

Regards
DL

OK. I give up. How did Christians get the beginning wrong?

By not interpreting and reversing what Genesis meant to Jews.

Gen 3; 22 And the LORD God said: 'Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil;

Does that sound like man failed in Eden?

Would you give up your moral sense?

Have you already given it up by adoring a genocidal son murdering God?

The Original Meaning Of Original Sin

‘Instead of the Fall of man (in the sense of humanity as a whole), Judaism preaches the Rise of man: and instead of Original Sin, it stresses Original Virtue, the beneficent hereditary influence of righteous ancestors upon their descendants’.

Regards
DL

 

[Windparadox]

Cop out. So says scriptures. 1 Thessalonians 5:21 Test all things; hold fast what is good. Regards DL

`
Have you ever read the "Summa Theologica" by Thomas Aquinas?

 

[GreatestIam]

Is God competent or incompetent?


We are told in scriptures that evil begets evil and good begets good. God, as our creator, according to scriptures, creates us all as sinners, which many see as evil.


God can thus be seen and judged as being the original sinner since the fruits of his labor (us) went bad or are born bad. A tree is known by its fruits. What else could come from a sinner tree but sin?


I give God a fail on competence for the following reasons.

God created heaven that produced Satan. Fail.

God created Eden which produced Original Sin. Fail.

God had to reboot creation with Noah’s flood. Fail.

God sent his son to forgive mankind instead of stepping up himself. Fail, for moral reasons.

God also had to create hell for his rejects which scriptures say will be the vast majority of us. Fail.


Jesus said we would know his people by their works and deeds and if we believe that, then the Christian God would obviously be rejected by Jesus and agree with my fail judgement.


Do you agree?


Regards

DL

Note how they only attack the God of the Jews and Christians?

Their venom just validates who the one true God is.

That is not what see.

The notion of a true God is idiotic idol worshiping tactic.

Regards
DL

Why is that?

Jesus taught not to idol worship as that causes conflict as the judgement of that idol just has the believer following his own bias.

That is why Christians can adore a genocidal son murderer and think him good.

Jesus said to seek God. Not create an idol.

Regards
DL

 

[ding]

Is God competent or incompetent?
You tell me:
View attachment 171961

Competent.

You look for exceptions when you should be looking for the rules.

Semi-competent until he stops fucking up.

He's not the one fucking up. We are.

Christians are always trying to absolve God of moral culpability in the fall by whipping out their favorite "free will!", or “ it’s all man’s fault”.

That is "God gave us free will and it was our free willed choices that caused our fall. Hence God is not blameworthy."

But this simply avoids God's culpability as the author of Human Nature. Free will is only the ability to choose. It is not an explanation why anyone would want to choose "A" or "B" (bad or good action). An explanation for why Eve would even have the nature of "being vulnerable to being easily swayed by a serpent" and "desiring to eat a forbidden fruit" must lie in the nature God gave Eve in the first place. Hence God is culpable for deliberately making humans with a nature-inclined-to-fall, and "free will" means nothing as a response to this problem.

If all sin by nature then, the sin nature is dominant. If not, we would have at least some who would not sin. That being the case, for God to punish us for following the instincts and natures he put in us would be quite wrong.

Regards
DL

We are never to think of God's power in terms of what he could conceivably do by the exercise of what we may call sheer omnipotence which crushes all obtacles in its path. We are always to think of God's power in terms of his purpose. If what he did by sheer omnipotence defeated his purpose, then, however startling and impressive, it would be an expression of weakness, not of power. Indeed, a good definition of power is "ability to achieve purpose. This applies to the power of a gun, or a drug, or an argument, or even a sermon! Does it achieve its end? Does it fulfill its purpose?

"...We must realize that God's power is not put forward to get certain things done, but to get them done in a certain way, and with certain results in the lives of those who do them. We can see this clearly in human illustrations. My purpose in doing a crossword puzzle is not to fill in certain words. I could fill them in easily by waiting for tomorrow morning's paper. Filling them in without the answers is harder but much more satisfying, for it calls out resourcefulness, ingenuity, and discipline which by the easier way would find no self expression.

Similarly, to borrow an illustration from William James, eleven men battle desperately on a field, risking falling and injury, using up a prodigious amount of energy, and when we ask why, we learn that it is to get an inflated, leather covered sphere called a football across a goal. But if that is all, why doesn't someone get up in the night and put it there? Football games are not played to get a ball across a goal, but to get it there under certain conditions, in a certain way, with certain results in the lives of those concerned. Power to get the ball across the goal is to be interpreted in terms of purposes and only makes sense in the light of those purposes. Action, then, which defeats purpose is weakness. Power is the ability to fulfill purpose. No one knows what it cost God to refrain from intervention when wicked men put his beloved Son to death. But the restraint was not weakness. The Cross became the power of God unto salvation...." MLK Jr.

 

[ding]

Is God competent or incompetent?


We are told in scriptures that evil begets evil and good begets good. God, as our creator, according to scriptures, creates us all as sinners, which many see as evil.


God can thus be seen and judged as being the original sinner since the fruits of his labor (us) went bad or are born bad. A tree is known by its fruits. What else could come from a sinner tree but sin?


I give God a fail on competence for the following reasons.

God created heaven that produced Satan. Fail.

God created Eden which produced Original Sin. Fail.

God had to reboot creation with Noah’s flood. Fail.

God sent his son to forgive mankind instead of stepping up himself. Fail, for moral reasons.

God also had to create hell for his rejects which scriptures say will be the vast majority of us. Fail.


Jesus said we would know his people by their works and deeds and if we believe that, then the Christian God would obviously be rejected by Jesus and agree with my fail judgement.


Do you agree?


Regards

DL

Note how they only attack the God of the Jews and Christians?

Their venom just validates who the one true God is.

That is not what see.

The notion of a true God is idiotic idol worshiping tactic.

Regards
DL

Why is that?

Jesus taught not to idol worship as that causes conflict as the judgement of that idol just has the believer following his own bias.

That is why Christians can adore a genocidal son murderer and think him good.

Jesus said to seek God. Not create an idol.

Regards
DL

So then you believe that all Christians are idol worshipers because they believe that Jesus was fully human and fully God and that He is part of the Trinity; One God Three Persons?

Are you a father, a son and a brother? Is that not one being three persons?

 

[GreatestIam]

Is God competent or incompetent?
You tell me:
View attachment 171961

Competent.

You look for exceptions when you should be looking for the rules.

Semi-competent until he stops fucking up.

He's not the one fucking up. We are.

Christians are always trying to absolve God of moral culpability in the fall by whipping out their favorite "free will!", or “ it’s all man’s fault”.

That is "God gave us free will and it was our free willed choices that caused our fall. Hence God is not blameworthy."

But this simply avoids God's culpability as the author of Human Nature. Free will is only the ability to choose. It is not an explanation why anyone would want to choose "A" or "B" (bad or good action). An explanation for why Eve would even have the nature of "being vulnerable to being easily swayed by a serpent" and "desiring to eat a forbidden fruit" must lie in the nature God gave Eve in the first place. Hence God is culpable for deliberately making humans with a nature-inclined-to-fall, and "free will" means nothing as a response to this problem.

If all sin by nature then, the sin nature is dominant. If not, we would have at least some who would not sin. That being the case, for God to punish us for following the instincts and natures he put in us would be quite wrong.

Regards
DL

Adam and Eve were created perfect in every way. But they CHOSE to sin. They could have have chosen not to, but they didn't. Regardless, it was still their choice. All they had to do was obey one simple command. Don't eat that apple. But they did it anyway. There is also the fact that God knew they would sin before he even created them. Why would he do that? I don't claim to know, but God has a plan for us. Anyway, He is God. He can do anything he wants, as far as I'm concerned.

Speaking of which, why are you concerned about this? Do you even believe in God? If not, why are you obsessing over this? That's an indication of a serious mental disorder. You should seek professional help. If you DO believe in God, you seem to think that you know better than the one who created you. That's just bat shit crazy. Forget the professional help. Ask them to lock you up and throw away the key.

So if A & E were perfect, and perfect chooses to sin, is that why your perfect God decided to sin when he started killing us instead of curing us?

A & E, according to scriptures, had their mental eyes closed and did not have the moral sense that knowledge of good and evil give.

How is being mentally blind add up to perfection to you?

Would you be more perfect without your moral sense?

If you want to chat, stop your cheep and childish bullying tactics.

Regards
DL

 

[ding]

`
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On the cosmic scale, if a Supreme Divinity does exist (which I believe) then even trying to comprehend its existence, is far beyond our 3D humanity to understand. This question then, becomes moot.

Cop out. So says scriptures.

1 Thessalonians 5:21 Test all things; hold fast what is good.

Regards
DL

You are quoting Christians who are idol worshipers?

That is what you believe, right?

So why would you quote someone who was an idol worshiper?

 

[ding]

Competent.

You look for exceptions when you should be looking for the rules.

Semi-competent until he stops fucking up.

He's not the one fucking up. We are.

Christians are always trying to absolve God of moral culpability in the fall by whipping out their favorite "free will!", or “ it’s all man’s fault”.

That is "God gave us free will and it was our free willed choices that caused our fall. Hence God is not blameworthy."

But this simply avoids God's culpability as the author of Human Nature. Free will is only the ability to choose. It is not an explanation why anyone would want to choose "A" or "B" (bad or good action). An explanation for why Eve would even have the nature of "being vulnerable to being easily swayed by a serpent" and "desiring to eat a forbidden fruit" must lie in the nature God gave Eve in the first place. Hence God is culpable for deliberately making humans with a nature-inclined-to-fall, and "free will" means nothing as a response to this problem.

If all sin by nature then, the sin nature is dominant. If not, we would have at least some who would not sin. That being the case, for God to punish us for following the instincts and natures he put in us would be quite wrong.

Regards
DL

Adam and Eve were created perfect in every way. But they CHOSE to sin. They could have have chosen not to, but they didn't. Regardless, it was still their choice. All they had to do was obey one simple command. Don't eat that apple. But they did it anyway. There is also the fact that God knew they would sin before he even created them. Why would he do that? I don't claim to know, but God has a plan for us. Anyway, He is God. He can do anything he wants, as far as I'm concerned.

Speaking of which, why are you concerned about this? Do you even believe in God? If not, why are you obsessing over this? That's an indication of a serious mental disorder. You should seek professional help. If you DO believe in God, you seem to think that you know better than the one who created you. That's just bat shit crazy. Forget the professional help. Ask them to lock you up and throw away the key.

So if A & E were perfect, and perfect chooses to sin, is that why your perfect God decided to sin when he started killing us instead of curing us?

A & E, according to scriptures, had their mental eyes closed and did not have the moral sense that knowledge of good and evil give.

How is being mentally blind add up to perfection to you?

Would you be more perfect without your moral sense?

If you want to chat, stop your cheep and childish bullying tactics.

Regards
DL

Let me ask you those same questions. What are your answers?

 

[GreatestIam]

Is God competent or incompetent?


We are told in scriptures that evil begets evil and good begets good. God, as our creator, according to scriptures, creates us all as sinners, which many see as evil.


God can thus be seen and judged as being the original sinner since the fruits of his labor (us) went bad or are born bad. A tree is known by its fruits. What else could come from a sinner tree but sin?


I give God a fail on competence for the following reasons.

God created heaven that produced Satan. Fail.

God created Eden which produced Original Sin. Fail.

God had to reboot creation with Noah’s flood. Fail.

God sent his son to forgive mankind instead of stepping up himself. Fail, for moral reasons.

God also had to create hell for his rejects which scriptures say will be the vast majority of us. Fail.


Jesus said we would know his people by their works and deeds and if we believe that, then the Christian God would obviously be rejected by Jesus and agree with my fail judgement.


Do you agree?


Regards

DL

Note how they only attack the God of the Jews and Christians?

Their venom just validates who the one true God is.

That is not what see.

The notion of a true God is idiotic idol worshiping tactic.

Regards
DL

God is laughing at you.

Thanks for sharing your delusion.

Regards
DL

The delusion is thinking that you are better than God. Think about that for a minute.

If you are not morally better than a genocidal son murdering prick of a God, you might wonder why.

Think about that for a minute.

Regards
DL

 

[ding]

yes


Competent to believers

incompetent to non-believers

Which is delusional?

Regards
DL

Both?

Neither?

I really don't care.

but I am tired of both trying to push their opinions on the other.

The maybe being in a religious forum is not the best place for you, eh?

Why should I forego the pleasure of zealots, on both sides of the question, make fools of themselves?

If you are complaining about it... yes.

 

[ding]

yes


Competent to believers

incompetent to non-believers

Which is delusional?

Regards
DL

Both?

Neither?

I really don't care.

but I am tired of both trying to push their opinions on the other.

Why?

Do you think that the fact that religions promote homophobia and misogyny as well as the love of a genocidal son murdering prick of a God might have people going against such evil beliefs for good reasons?

Or should that evil be ignored by good people?

Regards
DL

Not a big fan of God, I see.

 

[ding]

Competent.

You look for exceptions when you should be looking for the rules.

Semi-competent until he stops fucking up.

He's not the one fucking up. We are.

Who fucked up there?

Do you know what it means that evil is not extant?

Do you agree that evil is not extant?

What is the source of this evil you see?

Regards
DL

The absence of good.

Do you not know what extant means?

 

[GreatestIam]

The common thread here is that all those problems are through the Christian bastardization of The Judaic teachings/ concepts/precepts.
They don't become fails or confused when using the original understanding/descriptions.

I agree.

Note how Christians see a fall in Eden while Jews see man's elevation.

Christians got the beginning wrong so it is not surprising that they would get most of scriptures wrong.

Regards
DL

And yet what this Christian saw was the self evident truth that man knows right from wrong and when he violates it, rather than abandoning the concept of right and wrong, he rationalizes that he did not violate it. And that man is the only animal capable of knowledge of good and evil. No other creature has this concept. Sure animals can have empathy, but not like man. Animals function on impulse and instinct. Man functions on these too, but in man's case he has the unique ability to override his impulses and instinct for the sake of good. That is free will. It's a choice. Everything is choice.

Genesis isn't implying that had Adam and Eve never committed the original sin, we would live in paradise forever. Genesis is saying that man has the capacity to do good and evil. So then the question begs why did God create such a world. I believe that that is an artifact of life. In other words, I don't believe God had a choice. It is part and parcel of the extant nature of good. I know people will howl that I said God had no choice but the reality is there are things God can't do. For instance, God can't oppose Himself; He can't go against His own nature.

So there are two very interesting things which come out of free will. One is that evil has the effect of making good better. It's like salt and sugar. Salt makes sugar taste sweeter. We are told elsewhere that He uses all things for the good of those who love Him. Among other things the Jews discovered is that there is meaning in suffering. 07 Judaism

The other interesting thing is that good has no meaning unless there is evil. In other words, it is not virtuous if you are forced to be virtuous.

In closing, man prefers good over evil. We don't do evil for evil's sake. We do evil for the sake of our own good and when we do, we rationalize that we didn't do evil. But from these acts, goodness will arise and we will be stronger for it. It is a self compensating feature whose sole purpose is to propel consciousness to the next rung in the anthropological ladder.

Now go fuck yourself.

To prefer good over evil, man must have the knowledge of good and evil.

Regards
DL