Is France About To Dump Socialism On The Trash Heap Of History

[red states rule]

I don't know, it's pure speculation. I could bullshit my way along and say, "of course they could," but that would be dishonest. I really don't know. I seem to remember that there was some dissent on strategy between Ike and Monty but I'm not sure of the details. It's possible that without the US and Ike that the Normandy landings may never have taken place, let's be straight on this, it was a very bold tactic, and it may be that the Allies sans-US may have taken another path into Europe. But let's not forget that the Allies were also making their way up through Italy at that time and forcing the Germans back further into Europe. I don't know how that would have played on the minds of the planners sans-US.

Without having to fight the US on one side and the Russians on the other, Hitler could have thrown eveything at the Russians

The US was the deciding factor in WWII

France has forgotten that

 

[Diuretic]

Which means what? France made the Nato committment very clear with Iraq and Afghanistan.

I haven't read the terms of the Nato alliance but I'd be surprised if it didn't give each nation some room to move. You're right, France said, "Iraq, non". I bet they're clinking the glasses of Dom Perignon and chuckling with a particular Gallic triumphalism over staying out of Iraq eh? Boy did they call that one correctly. As for Afghanistan, not sure, I think they should have offered assistance, after all it was the right thing to do.

 

[Annie]

I haven't read the terms of the Nato alliance but I'd be surprised if it didn't give each nation some room to move. You're right, France said, "Iraq, non". I bet they're clinking the glasses of Dom Perignon and chuckling with a particular Gallic triumphalism over staying out of Iraq eh? Boy did they call that one correctly. As for Afghanistan, not sure, I think they should have offered assistance, after all it was the right thing to do.

Ya know what? Regardless of US stance, we took the freedom trail. We may have been way off, but at this date, fuck France and any others that would have piggybacked if it had worked out differently.

 

[Paul Revere]

Do you honestly think without the US, they would have been able to defeat Hitler on D-Day?

They would not have been able to do it without the US

In 1777, France, with Spain and the Netherlands as its allies, came to the aide of the Americans and fought against Great Britian. France's involvement proved to be decisive, with a French naval victory in the Chesapeake Bay. This helped lead to the surrender of a British army at Yorktown in 1781.

Pick up a history book sometime rsr.... never mind, too many big words.

 

[red states rule]

In 1777, France, with Spain and the Netherlands as its allies, came to the aide of the Americans and fought against Great Britian. France's involvement proved to be decisive, with a French naval victory in the Chesapeake Bay. This helped lead to the surrender of a British army at Yorktown in 1781.

Pick up a history book sometime rsr.... never mind, too many big words.

Fuck off asshole

The US liberated France, and now they have forgotten about it

 

[Diuretic]

Without having to fight the US on one side and the Russians on the other, Hitler could have thrown eveything at the Russians

The US was the deciding factor in WWII

France has forgotten that

Really that's a wild claim. The US was part of the Allied effort in WWII, a big part, but not the only part. It's entirely possible that the Allies, which would have been the British Empire and non-British countries, could have mounted sufficient resources to fight the Germans on the western front while the Soviets fought them on the eastern front.

 

[Annie]

In 1777, France, with Spain and the Netherlands as its allies, came to the aide of the Americans and fought against Great Britian. France's involvement proved to be decisive, with a French naval victory in the Chesapeake Bay. This helped lead to the surrender of a British army at Yorktown in 1781.

Pick up a history book sometime rsr.... never mind, too many big words.

All are correct. All have been paid back and then some.

 

[Diuretic]

Ya know what? Regardless of US stance, we took the freedom trail. We may have been way off, but at this date, fuck France and any others that would have piggybacked if it had worked out differently.

The US didn't take a freedom trail at all. The US has completely stuffed the whole thing up.

 

[red states rule]

Really that's a wild claim. The US was part of the Allied effort in WWII, a big part, but not the only part. It's entirely possible that the Allies, which would have been the British Empire and non-British countries, could have mounted sufficient resources to fight the Germans on the western front while the Soviets fought them on the eastern front.

Unlikely

Without the US's firepower and industry I doubt they would have taken the beaches on D-Day

 

[Annie]

Unlikely

Without the US's firepower and industry I doubt they would have taken the beaches on D-Day

So the US should have stayed home?

 

[red states rule]

So the US should have stayed home?

No at all

We were going after Japan only -then Hitler declared war on the US

 

[Annie]

No at all

We were going after Japan only -then Hitler declared war on the US

I'll skip this. RSR, please read.

 

[Diuretic]

Unlikely

Without the US's firepower and industry I doubt they would have taken the beaches on D-Day

But Britain had bought a lot of materiel from the US, are you suggesting that the US wouldn't have sold them the materiel that they did? The US supplied a heck of a lot of manpower and associated assets for the Invasion and, as I said, Ike's ability. The manpower and assets and Ike would have been sorely missed. But that's not to say the Allies sans-US couldn't have pulled it off. But of course, like you, I'm speculating. But it's interesting speculation.

 

[Annie]

But Britain had bought a lot of materiel from the US, are you suggesting that the US wouldn't have sold them the materiel that they did? The US supplied a heck of a lot of manpower and associated assets for the Invasion and, as I said, Ike's ability. The manpower and assets and Ike would have been sorely missed. But that's not to say the Allies sans-US couldn't have pulled it off. But of course, like you, I'm speculating. But it's interesting speculation.

How do you get from his post to yours?
The questions have no basis in reality.

 

[Diuretic]

How do you get from his post to yours?
The questions have no basis in reality.

I was thinking about this one -

Without the US's firepower and industry I doubt they would have taken the beaches on D-Day

It's, with respect, a reasonable point to make and one worth engaging. But as I say, it's pure speculation. Maybe in a parallel universe...but I'll leave that to Harry Turtledove, he does it so much better

 

[Paul Revere]

Fuck off asshole

The US liberated France, and now they have forgotten about it

YOU Back Atcha!


There are better history books than TV Guide........I keep forgeting you are programmed by the Reich Wing hate talk show programs.
France is high on their Hate List, just under Dems, Libs, and Peace desirers.

You are truly a pathetic hate puppet.
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The French were victorious in the battle, keeping the British out of the bay, and that helped France's ally, Gen. George Washington, defeat the British at Yorktown, Va., in the final battle of the Revolutionary War. Because the British couldn't sail into the bay, they couldn't resupply the army of Gen. Charles Cornwallis, which was surrounded by Washington and his French allies.

http://www.patrickobrienstudio.com/maritime art/Baltimore Sun.html

 

[red states rule]

Once again I ask Paul - were you born a fucking asshole or did you have to work at at?

Even your fellow libs avoid you like the plague

Your record here is a great one - banned within days of joining, all you do is post pictures, and you cannot make any arguments at all to support your lame positions

Trolls like you get banned eventually - much like you have been on other boards

 

[Paul Revere]

Once again I ask Paul - were you born a fucking asshole or did you have to work at at?

Even your fellow libs avoid you like the plague

Your record here is a great one - banned within days of joining, all you do is post pictures, and you cannot make any arguments at all to support your lame positions

Trolls like you get banned eventually - much like you have been on other boards

I ran this by my dog and he still likes me.

If you feel that way, then I guess my hobby of pointing out to you just how stupid you really are is suceeding.

So the answer is neither, no I was not born an asshole and no I do no have to work at pointing out just how idiotic ramblings are.

 

[red states rule]

Then you naturally evolved into one

Thanks for the newsflash

 

[Paul Revere]

Then you naturally evolved into one

Thanks for the newsflash

See I told you so.