Is 6% Unemployment The Best We Can Do?

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As the economy continues to tank "unexpectedly," a new rationale has emerged: "Structural" problems are to blame, not policy errors - an idea as dangerous as it is foolish.

The most recent example of this kind of thinking comes from Mark Zandi, the widely quoted chief economist at Moody's Analytics and an adviser to President Obama on stimulus.

Speaking recently to columnist Robert Samuelson, Zandi estimated that "full employment" - the jobless rate below which inflation begins to rise - is now 6%. A few years ago, economists agreed it was 5% or less.

But what does 6% "full employment" mean? We've lost 6.9 million jobs from the peak, but if Zandi's right, with unemployment at 9.1%, we'll have serious inflation when we recoup just 4.8 million of those jobs. With 14 million looking for work, that's an alarming idea.

The problem is, this idea lets Washington off too easy.

To begin with, "full employment" - what economists call the Non-accelerating Inflation Rate of Unemployment, or NAIRU - doesn't have a single, commonly agreed upon level. One economist thinks it's 6%, another 7%, another maybe 4.5%. It's a moving target.

What concerns us is that this will become the new normal. "Nothing can be done," goes the mantra, "it's a structural problem. We've done all we can." Well, the "structural problems" were actually caused by bad policies. Zandi, a Democrat, should know this. He wanted an even bigger stimulus than the one we got.

Stimulus didn't work, and we aren't creating enough jobs to bring the jobless rate down. Rather than changing their strategy, he and his colleagues now seem to tell us this is just how the economy is. Live with it.

Well, the real reason we have high unemployment is because of Washington's costly repeated mistakes, including $700 billion in TARP spending, a regulatory clampdown on banks and Wall Street, $830 billion in "stimulus" and $2 trillion in Fed money-printing.

Undo those mistakes, and the economy will get better, businesses will hire and that 6% "full employment" rate will magically shrink.

But not with more stimulus, that's for sure.

Zandi, you may recall, once estimated that every dollar spent in stimulus would create $1.50 in economic activity and lots of new jobs. Didn't happen. Output is $750 billion below where it would be if the economy had recovered normally. And the number of U.S. jobs is still 6.9 million below the peak in 2007.

Evidence from around the world suggests that "stimulus" shrinks economic activity by taking resources from productive uses in the private sector and putting them to use instead in the unproductive public sector.

So what can we do to end this structural impasse? Cut spending, for one. Our government now sucks up $1.5 trillion a year to fund its deficits - money that could be creating millions of new jobs in the private sector.

For another, costly regulations, new health care mandates and the possibility of much higher taxes have businesses feeling besieged. Stop the assault on profit makers and job creators and they'll hire again.

America's problems creating jobs aren't a result of structural shifts in the economy that no one could foresee. They're a result of bad policies, plain and simple.

This is an editorial from Investor's Business Daily and is available here.
 
The average unemployment rate between the '00 election and the '08 election was 5.2%, and the press called the economy the worst since Hoover. The average since the '08 election has been 9.3% even after 5 million people gave up and left the labor force. The press blames Bush.
 
The new Obama norm is over 8% as long as Obama is in the Whitehouse it's not going to drop below that.
 
Non wartime NAIRU has been 5.8+% since the Truman administration. The only thing that has changed has been the ways inflation is measured.
 
I'd take 6%. Wouldn't be satisfied with it, but I'd take it. I do think if UE gets that low we probably will have an inflation problem with all the excess money floating around. And the jobs created are most likely to be lower end wages, the income inequality will grow, and liberals will have a cow about it on a regular basis.
 
Non wartime NAIRU has been 5.8+% since the Truman administration. The only thing that has changed has been the ways inflation is measured.

That's just it, ten years ago everyone was saying it should be 5%, for example this OECD study from 2001or this 2003 Fed Report that included this graph--
2003nairu.png



So now leftist party 'Ministry of Truth' has rewritten history to kick the historical Non-Accelerating Inflation Rate of Unemployment (NAIRU, AKA "full employment") up to 6%. This is serious. When the unemployment rate goes up we save up to handle a few months without income. Now that the records on historic NAIRU levels are going up we'd better be prepared for longer time periods.
 
Non wartime NAIRU has been 5.8+% since the Truman administration. The only thing that has changed has been the ways inflation is measured.

That's just it, ten years ago everyone was saying it should be 5%, for example this OECD study from 2001or this 2003 Fed Report that included this graph--
2003nairu.png



So now leftist party 'Ministry of Truth' has rewritten history to kick the historical Non-Accelerating Inflation Rate of Unemployment (NAIRU, AKA "full employment") up to 6%. This is serious. When the unemployment rate goes up we save up to handle a few months without income. Now that the records on historic NAIRU levels are going up we'd better be prepared for longer time periods.
Up until the 1960s the official NAIRU was legally and as a matter of policy kept at 4%. I know we go around on this in a generally amiable fashion but political attempts to reduce risk reduce risk adjusted returns more so but not a lot more so. The US should debate something along the lines of the Australian superannuation scheme or Chilean pension system and get out of the just so government stabilization policy game.
 
First you said:
...Non wartime NAIRU has been 5.8+% since the Truman administration...
Then you said:
...Up until the 1960s the official NAIRU was legally and as a matter of policy kept at 4%...
Either you've made up one or both factoids or you're not quite explaining something here because the two quotes contradict each other.

Something we have to bear in mind here is that both price trends and employment levels are market driven and beyond government control. Legislators have no say in what NAIRU should be, all they can do is guess what it might be from day to day.
 
The new Obama norm is over 8% as long as Obama is in the Whitehouse it's not going to drop below that.

And what's the next guy going to do to change that?

Cut business taxes, remove restrictions on energy exploration and production, remove these stupid restrictions on our farmers in Cali, cut spending, repeal Obama care, quit printing money. Should I go on?
 
As the economy continues to tank "unexpectedly," a new rationale has emerged: "Structural" problems are to blame, not policy errors - an idea as dangerous as it is foolish.
Policies CREATE the structure of an economy, XPAT.

The most recent example of this kind of thinking comes from Mark Zandi, the widely quoted chief economist at Moody's Analytics and an adviser to President Obama on stimulus.

Speaking recently to columnist Robert Samuelson, Zandi estimated that "full employment" - the jobless rate below which inflation begins to rise - is now 6%. A few years ago, economists agreed it was 5% or less.

But what does 6% "full employment" mean? We've lost 6.9 million jobs from the peak, but if Zandi's right, with unemployment at 9.1%, we'll have serious inflation when we recoup just 4.8 million of those jobs. With 14 million looking for work, that's an alarming idea.

The problem is, this idea lets Washington off too easy.

To begin with, "full employment" - what economists call the Non-accelerating Inflation Rate of Unemployment, or NAIRU - doesn't have a single, commonly agreed upon level. One economist thinks it's 6%, another 7%, another maybe 4.5%. It's a moving target.

The THEORY behind the idea that 5% (or x%) unemployment is a good thing is based on the THEORY that high employment causes inflation.

If you think that theory is largely bull, I concur.

What concerns us is that this will become the new normal. "Nothing can be done," goes the mantra, "it's a structural problem. We've done all we can." Well, the "structural problems" were actually caused by bad policies.
Zandi, a Democrat, should know this. He wanted an even bigger stimulus than the one we got.

There ya have it/

Policies cause problems when those policies are poorly designed or worse, when they're actually designed to create problems.


Stimulus didn't work, and we aren't creating enough jobs to bring the jobless rate down. Rather than changing their strategy, he and his colleagues now seem to tell us this is just how the economy is. Live with it.

Well this IS the political economy we live with.

We cannot change the economy unless we change the philosophy that creates the policies that effect our economy.

Well, the real reason we have high unemployment is because of Washington's costly repeated mistakes, including $700 billion in TARP spending, a regulatory clampdown on banks and Wall Street, $830 billion in "stimulus" and $2 trillion in Fed money-printing.

TARP spending was unknown number of trillions, I think.

You're confusing the bankers bailout TARP (costing trillions) with the STimulus which was $878 billion.


Undo those mistakes, and the economy will get better, businesses will hire and that 6% "full employment" rate will magically shrink.

Undo how? Do you really think the masters are going to give the TARP money back?
 
Investor's Business Daily said:
...a new rationale has emerged: "Structural" problems are to blame, not policy errors - an idea as dangerous as it is foolish.

Policies CREATE the structure of an economy, XPAT...
What the IBD quote was saying was that it was dangerous for the admin. to deny the role of policy errors with the employment problems. My take is that economic structure will change even when gov't stays clear because of changes forced on us by technology, demographics, international conflict, etc.

...the idea that 5% (or x%) unemployment is a good thing is based on the THEORY that high employment causes inflation. If you think that theory is largely bull, I concur...
Whenever econ activity accelerates enough to see labor shortages, inflation usually follows.

...You're confusing the bankers bailout TARP (costing trillions) with the STimulus which was $878 billion.
Please tell me if you mean me or IBD and what words you're thinking of.

...Do you really think the masters are going to give the TARP money back?
Sorry, now I am confused; 'the masters' are what, bankers or gov't, and give what money back to whom?
 
The average unemployment rate between the '00 election and the '08 election was 5.2%, and the press called the economy the worst since Hoover. The average since the '08 election has been 9.3% even after 5 million people gave up and left the labor force. The press blames Bush.

Of course the press--CNN--NBC--CBS--MSNBC--ABC blames Bush. These are the Obama media network chanels. 4.5% used to be considered full employment--and that was when employers were "begging" for employees.

The Federal Government has suffocated the air out of the economy with their policies. Fannie/Freddie are GROUND zero for this current economic collapse. Why the Federal Government felt they had to co-sign our names to 50% of the mortgages in this country--is beyond comprehension--and while they were doing this they were pressuring banks to lower their lending standards--along with sub-prime mortgages. It went from there--to Wall Street bankers who were allowed to buy up these mortgage backed securities and trade them in the black hole called the derivitives market. All warnings of an imminent collapse were ignored by both congressional and senate banking boards.

In essense, the Federal Government built a house of cards that collapsed leaving the American taxpayer holding the bag--and that is why we are in this mess.

Fannie Mae Eases Credit To Aid Mortgage Lending - NYTimes.com

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