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Clinton passed the Iraqi regime change resolution and was the father of "nation building". Take that up with him.
Clinton...Bush...Obama....all one in the same.
Wasn't it Bush who swore on the campaign trail that he would NOT nation build?
Wasn't it Obama who swore on the campaign trail that he would NOT be like Bush?
See....they are all the same.
Japan & Germany did have less hurdles to jump though. They were basically united countries. There was a forced split between East & West Germany but it wasn't the same as the divisions in Iraq. West Germany did do very well economically under Democratic rule though while East Germany went on to suffer in squalor under Soviet rule. There is much more ethnic and religious division in Iraq than there was in Japan and Germany so it will take them much longer to prosper. Time really will tell in the end.
Japan & Germany did have less hurdles to jump though. They were basically united countries. There was a forced split between East & West Germany but it wasn't the same as the divisions in Iraq. West Germany did do very well economically under Democratic rule though while East Germany went on to suffer in squalor under Soviet rule. There is much more ethnic and religious division in Iraq than there was in Japan and Germany so it will take them much longer to prosper. Time really will tell in the end.
Regardless of what the outcome is and regardless of how long it takes, we as Americans must decide whether it was worth the lives of more than 4,000 of our US soldiers. What have we gained from this expense of life and treasure?
Japan & Germany did have less hurdles to jump though. They were basically united countries. There was a forced split between East & West Germany but it wasn't the same as the divisions in Iraq. West Germany did do very well economically under Democratic rule though while East Germany went on to suffer in squalor under Soviet rule. There is much more ethnic and religious division in Iraq than there was in Japan and Germany so it will take them much longer to prosper. Time really will tell in the end.
Regardless of what the outcome is and regardless of how long it takes, we as Americans must decide whether it was worth the lives of more than 4,000 of our US soldiers. What have we gained from this expense of life and treasure?
Japan & Germany did have less hurdles to jump though. They were basically united countries. There was a forced split between East & West Germany but it wasn't the same as the divisions in Iraq. West Germany did do very well economically under Democratic rule though while East Germany went on to suffer in squalor under Soviet rule. There is much more ethnic and religious division in Iraq than there was in Japan and Germany so it will take them much longer to prosper. Time really will tell in the end.
Regardless of what the outcome is and regardless of how long it takes, we as Americans must decide whether it was worth the lives of more than 4,000 of our US soldiers. What have we gained from this expense of life and treasure?
Surely that depends on the outcome, at least in part.
Iraq stabilizing, leading Arab world: Bush was right, liberals ashamed?
Regardless of what the outcome is and regardless of how long it takes, we as Americans must decide whether it was worth the lives of more than 4,000 of our US soldiers. What have we gained from this expense of life and treasure?
Surely that depends on the outcome, at least in part.
But again, I have to ask. What have we gained?
Surely that depends on the outcome, at least in part.
But again, I have to ask. What have we gained?
Each individual will have to come up with their own answer on that.
Regardless of what the outcome is and regardless of how long it takes, we as Americans must decide whether it was worth the lives of more than 4,000 of our US soldiers. What have we gained from this expense of life and treasure?
Surely that depends on the outcome, at least in part.
But again, I have to ask. What have we gained?
Surely that depends on the outcome, at least in part.
But again, I have to ask. What have we gained?
If Iraq emerges as a more stable country, with free elections, and is seen to be (by the rest of the Arab world) free from inappropriate western influence (and yes, I realize that's a tall order), then I think that, to a degree, the countries that were involved in such a seismic change can look back with an element of satisfaction.
Yes, mistakes have been made, yes it could have been done better, and yes many lives were lost. But Saddam was a monster, his regime was an abomination and the international community caused more harm to the average iraqi citizen with the years of sanctions than they ever did to Saddam.
I know mine is neither a popular nor a politically correct view, but I supported the war on the basis of regime change. And if the regime is ever deemed to have been changed for the better then I for one will be absolutely delighted.
I know that views like mine open numerous other questions, such as did we have the right to do this is the first place, and what about other similar regimes. I could attempt to provide answers to them but could probably never do so to the satisfaction of many. I do think the UN should have a much firmer hand with governments who routinely oppress their people, but of course they never will.
And so I return to your original question - what have we gained. Well, I've attempted to set out what I see as the benefits above. If however you mean what have we gained politically or financially, I would have to say I suspect very little, but also that I don't really care.
The day that we allow what is morally right to take a back seat to political or financial benefits will be a black day, IMO. I'm sure many people will take issue with my view of what is morally right. That's OK. Fortunately we live in a free country where you don't get your head cut off for holding a different view.
