Iraq Has Been Won?

[Gunny]

Okay, Israel will be in there with you. Forget the UK, they won't go in with that nutter Cheney and the dribbling incompetent fool Bush. I mean come on, your presidential dill was banging on about WWIII and the rest of the real world is - Bush is off again.

The rest of us think Bush is a loser, Cheney is a nutter and if you, "bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran...." you're on your own. Even our (Australia's) dumbarse prime minister, the bloke who gets earache when Bush farts, won't go there.

I'd be more than willing to be you're wrong. You anti-US-types see things through a coffee stir.

And I honestly don't see Bush/Cheney doing anymore "dribbling" that those of you who think everything the US does is wrong and we should be all about "YOU first."

 

[Gunny]

We are keeping our forces there so we can move into Iran quickly and take them out. It's obvious that we are going to goto War with them, it just makes sense that we hit them now before they assemble nukes.

The US does not have enough military force in the region to invade Iran alone, much less invade Iran and still occupy Iraq and Afghanistan.

 

[Diuretic]

I'd be more than willing to be you're wrong. You anti-US-types see things through a coffee stir.

And I honestly don't see Bush/Cheney doing anymore "dribbling" that those of you who think everything the US does is wrong and we should be all about "YOU first."

Bugger off with the anti-US schtick, it's tired. I'm anti-Bush, I'm anti-Cheney, I'm anti-Republican. I'm not anti--American. And my favourite "Joe" is Hill not McCarthy. Boo, hiss for me.

Jeez, anti-American. Get a new refrain for crying out loud.

Bush is an idiot. He is also a bloody awful speaker, the few excerpts of is speeches that anyone outside the fawning Fox network runs of his speeches are really piss poor, like he doesn't care any more, he's just going through the motions. And that frigging lunatic Cheney, sitting up there at the back, the Dark Emperor. I'm just waiting for that nutty snarling bastard to push Bush out of the way and grab the football. I hope the Secret Service are ready just in case.

No, not EVERYTHING the US has done is wrong. Some of it has been good. But most of the good stuff has been done by Democratic Party administrations. Republicans just seem so damn useless at most things. I don't know why you put up with them personally, but I suppose you feel the need to punish yourselves now and again so in come the Republicans.

Anti-US indeed. I've got family and friends there (family are all Democrats, one of my friends is a Republican but we don't talk politics).

 

[Gunny]

Bugger off with the anti-US schtick, it's tired. I'm anti-Bush, I'm anti-Cheney, I'm anti-Republican. I'm not anti--American. And my favourite "Joe" is Hill not McCarthy. Boo, hiss for me.

Jeez, anti-American. Get a new refrain for crying out loud.

Bush is an idiot. He is also a bloody awful speaker, the few excerpts of is speeches that anyone outside the fawning Fox network runs of his speeches are really piss poor, like he doesn't care any more, he's just going through the motions. And that frigging lunatic Cheney, sitting up there at the back, the Dark Emperor. I'm just waiting for that nutty snarling bastard to push Bush out of the way and grab the football. I hope the Secret Service are ready just in case.

No, not EVERYTHING the US has done is wrong. Some of it has been good. But most of the good stuff has been done by Democratic Party administrations. Republicans just seem so damn useless at most things. I don't know why you put up with them personally, but I suppose you feel the need to punish yourselves now and again so in come the Republicans.

Anti-US indeed. I've got family and friends there (family are all Democrats, one of my friends is a Republican but we don't talk politics).

I'm not "buggering off" with anything. I call a spade a spade.

You crack me up. The Democrats haven't done a damned thing since Lyndon Johnson.

You've got your history backwards. We bring in a Dem every 2-3 terms to punish ourselves and get our brains back on track.

But I forget ... you think all that socialist mediocrity is just great. I guess so long as you want to leech off of others it is.

Save the Bush/Cheney rhetoric for someone else. You're just like most every other foreigner that comes on these boards. Your entire opinion is based on anti-US propaganda that equates to nothing more than penis envy, and you try to hide behind a smokescreen of blaming Republicans.

If it weren't for the GOP, we'd probably be mediocre losers like the rest of y'all by now. That may seem okay to you, but I'd as soon gather up my rifle and pack and head for the mountains.

And speaking of "new refrains": "Bush this .. Cheney that ..." is OLD. WAY old.

 

[Diuretic]

I'm not "buggering off" with anything. I call a spade a spade.

No you don't, you look at a theodolite and you call it a spade.

You crack me up. The Democrats haven't done a damned thing since Lyndon Johnson.

You've got your history backwards. We bring in a Dem every 2-3 terms to punish ourselves and get our brains back on track.

The hell you do, you need the Dems to clean the mess left by the ideologues of the right, just as you're about to do in the next presidential election.

But I forget ... you think all that socialist mediocrity is just great. I guess so long as you want to leech off of others it is.

I think you just assaulted me with a blunt instrument - your wit.

Save the Bush/Cheney rhetoric for someone else. You're just like most every other foreigner that comes on these boards. Your entire opinion is based on anti-US propaganda that equates to nothing more than penis envy, and you try to hide behind a smokescreen of blaming Republicans.

You have a bunch of useless twats in the White House. Standing international joke the lot of them. But keep lobbing them "anti-American" grenades, doesn't matter that they're duds, lob them anyway, if you feel better.

If it weren't for the GOP, we'd probably be mediocre losers like the rest of y'all by now. That may seem okay to you, but I'd as soon gather up my rifle and pack and head for the mountains.

And speaking of "new refrains": "Bush this .. Cheney that ..." is OLD. WAY old.

Take water when you go up in the mountains, don't want to be a victim of the non-existent global climate change do you?

Listen, I know it's embarrassing to have those two dickheads running everything, but don't worry, you may be able to get rid of them pretty soon, unless of course you bomb Iran, in which case, sorry, you're stuck with them.

 

[CSM]

Aw not the World Domination thing again. I told the State Department someone there was dyslexic - it's World Domino Marathon, not World Domination. How many times do I have to tell them?

We'll leave the silly games like dominoes to the third world countries like those in Europe and you folks in Australia.

Truthfully, I hope the hell Iran does get nukes and gives them to Syria, the Palestinians and every other Islamic extremists group out there. Then maybe, just maybe, the world will wake up and take the terrorists seriously.

 

[M14 Shooter]

The US does not have enough military force in the region to invade Iran alone, much less invade Iran and still occupy Iraq and Afghanistan.

You dont need to invade Iran to destroy Iran's ability to produce a nuclear weapon.

 

[DeadCanDance]

Probably. Wish we could say the same in Afghanistan:

By Andrew Bolt

THERE is a reason Iraq has almost disappeared as an election issue.

Here it is: The battle is actually over. Iraq has been won.


http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,22689634-5007146,00.html

I'd like to invite Mr. Bolt, to walk around bagdad on foot for a few hours, unarmed, unescorted, and alone, and report back to us how safe and wonderful Iraq is. That is, if he survives the walk.

That is not exactly a sign of a wise use of one trillion taxpayer dollars, and hundreds of thousands of lives.

 

[M14 Shooter]

I'd like to invite Mr. Bolt, to walk around bagdad on foot for a few hours, unarmed, unescorted, and alone, and report back to us how safe and wonderful Iraq is. That is, if he survives the walk.

There are US cities where you cannot do this and survive the walk.

That is not exactly a sign of a wise use of one trillion taxpayer dollars, and hundreds of thousands of lives.

Good thing, as neither of these amounts have been spent.

 

[eots]

Memos Prove Rumsfeld Directed Psychological Terror Campaign
Hyping climate of fear, threat of violence to achieve political objectives is the very definition of terrorism

Prison Planet| November 2, 2007
Paul Joseph Watson

New Pentagon memos released by the Washington Post prove that ex-U.S. defense secretary Donald Rumsfeld directed a psychological campaign of terror in order to achieve political objectives, making Rumsfeld himself a terrorist according to the very definition of the term.

"Donald Rumsfeld, the former United States defence secretary, tried to maintain an atmosphere of fear in America as part of the Iraq war propaganda campaign, a series of leaked memos has shown," reports the London Telegraph .

In an April 2006 memo, Rumsfeld encouraged Pentagon officials to "Keep elevating the threat" and "Talk about Somalia, the Philippines etc. Make the American people realise they are surrounded in the world by violent extremists".


Rumsfeld also urged his staff to concoct "bumper sticker statements" (mindless clichés) in an attempt to garner continued support for the occupation of Iraq.

In the most telling e mail, the former defense secretary ordered the Pentagon to "link Iraq to Iran," heralding the birth of the now saturated propaganda talking point that Iran is fueling the violence in Iraq and helping to kill U.S. troops, despite the fact that British officials patrolling the Iran-Iraq border admit that there is "No concrete proof that Iran is supplying Iraq."

Rumsfeld's obsession with micro-managing every aspect of the propaganda offensive upon the American people led to him disseminating anything up to 60 "snowflakes" or memos every single day, much to the chagrin of Pentagon employees.

His insistence that an artificial climate of fear be maintained in America about the threat of new terror attacks in order to sell the unpopular war in Iraq are the smoking gun for criminal charges to be initiated.

By several of the very definitions of terrorism, Rumsfeld has provably engaged in terrorism, by hyping the threat of terror to achieve a political objective.

Definitions of terrorism

- A psychological strategy of war for gaining political ends by deliberately creating a well-founded climate of fear among the civilian population.

- The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence against people or property to coerce or intimidate governments or societies .

- The systematic use of terror, the deliberate creation and exploitation of fear for bringing about political change .

- The use of - or threatened use of - criminal violence against civilians or civilian infrastructure to achieve political ends through fear and intimidation , rather than direct confrontation.

- The calculated use of violence (or threat of violence) against civilians in order to attain goals that are political or religious or ideological in nature; this is done through intimidation or coercion or instilling fear .

Under any of the definitions of terrorism listed above, Rumsfeld has demonstrably engaged in terror by artificially hyping the fear of new attacks as part of a strategy to achieve a political objective.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Memos Prove Rumsfeld Directed Psychological Terror Campaign

Hate Rumsfeld!!
Hate Bush!!
Hate Rumsfeld!!
Hate Bush!!

 

[eots]

Hate Rumsfeld!!
Hate Bush!!
Hate Rumsfeld!!
Hate Bush!!

hate liars murderers and thieves...and you forgot wolfowitz

 

[Diuretic]

We'll leave the silly games like dominoes to the third world countries like those in Europe and you folks in Australia.

Truthfully, I hope the hell Iran does get nukes and gives them to Syria, the Palestinians and every other Islamic extremists group out there. Then maybe, just maybe, the world will wake up and take the terrorists seriously.

Seriously, why would Iran do that?

 

[Shogun]

better yet...

why would a nation of christians paw their hands together looking for an excuse to kill muslims?


it's like the crusades all over again.

 

[CSM]

Seriously, why would Iran do that?

I am not sure they would except that Iran has supplied material to factions in the ME in the past.

 

[Nevadamedic]

I'm not "buggering off" with anything. I call a spade a spade.

You crack me up. The Democrats haven't done a damned thing since Lyndon Johnson.

You've got your history backwards. We bring in a Dem every 2-3 terms to punish ourselves and get our brains back on track.

But I forget ... you think all that socialist mediocrity is just great. I guess so long as you want to leech off of others it is.

Save the Bush/Cheney rhetoric for someone else. You're just like most every other foreigner that comes on these boards. Your entire opinion is based on anti-US propaganda that equates to nothing more than penis envy, and you try to hide behind a smokescreen of blaming Republicans.

If it weren't for the GOP, we'd probably be mediocre losers like the rest of y'all by now. That may seem okay to you, but I'd as soon gather up my rifle and pack and head for the mountains.

And speaking of "new refrains": "Bush this .. Cheney that ..." is OLD. WAY old.

The only thing President Johnson did was succeed in his plan to have President Kennedy Assassinated.

 

[Nevadamedic]

The US does not have enough military force in the region to invade Iran alone, much less invade Iran and still occupy Iraq and Afghanistan.

The hell we don't, all's we need to do is launch bombing missions and let the Airforce handle it. We mostly have to bomb all the key targets.

 

[Diuretic]

I am not sure they would except that Iran has supplied material to factions in the ME in the past.

They probably have, I don't have the details but I wouldn't be surprised but the supply of nukes to other nations would, I think, be against Iran's own interests, but that's just my speculation I suppose.

 

[CSM]

They probably have, I don't have the details but I wouldn't be surprised but the supply of nukes to other nations would, I think, be against Iran's own interests, but that's just my speculation I suppose.

It seems to me that supplying arms to any faction or nations outside your own could come back to haunt you someday. Having said that, I am well aware of the international arms market ... as are our current friends and enemies. That point of view doesn't seem to curb any nation from supplying and/or seeking those arms.

 

[Diuretic]

It seems to me that supplying arms to any faction or nations outside your own could come back to haunt you someday. Having said that, I am well aware of the international arms market ... as are our current friends and enemies. That point of view doesn't seem to curb any nation from supplying and/or seeking those arms.

I think the difference is qualitative. Supplying conventional weapons is one thing, handing out nukes is another.