Iraq Fatigue

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    Thought this very interesting:

    http://instapundit.com/archives/016513.php

    Who is Austin Bay?

    http://www.strategypage.com/onpoint/articles/2004518.asp

    http://www.austinbay.net/about.html
     
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    I just spent the weekend with my uncle that is 85 years young. He served in the 45th Thunderbird Division in WWII. When we get together all he loves to do is tell stories about the funny side of the war. He was in all five major landings in Europe and spent 511 days in actual combat. I read myself his military records that show he was in combat for 511 days. Now that is 511 days of combat mind you. Not 511 days in the theatre or in the military but 511 days of beach landings and combat from North Africa, to Anzio to D-Day.

    I feel for our soldiers, but perhaps they need to keep things in perspective.
     
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    Can you elaborate a bit, I'm confused where you are going with this. Seems to me the soldier in this case, has the perspective, it's the pundits that are off. You're point on perspective?
     
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    sorry, you are correct. the pundits need to keep everything in perspective.

    I am just getting frustrated. again this morning they had some family memeber of a NG soldier on TV talking about how "unfair" it is that the weekend soldiers are having to spend so much time on active duty.

    The uncle I mentioned was in the 45th Division which was a National Guard unit. he joined in 1939 and then in 1940 was activated and he did not get home until after VE day. His wife (my father's sister) followed him around from camp to camp until he was sent overseas and then she, like many wives (and husbands too) are doing today, waited quietly for his return. She didn't go bitching to some newspaper or some TV station about how her husband had "only joined for the college money" or that he had only expected to serve one weekend a month and two weeks a year.

    I took out my frustrations inappropriately as my rant did not fit the article. sorry.
     
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    Hey Free and Fun, no problem. I took my 84 year old dad to DC the past few days, to see the WWII Memorial. We had a great time. He was with the 1st Div, 2nd wave at Omaha Beach. As he would say, he was lucky. Injured, sent to London for 5 months in hospital, (where he got himself into some 'funny spots'), and sent home, since he couldn't fight anymore. To him, the bad part was at home they put him in clerical in TX, and he wasn't release til '46 because his job was doing paperwork to get everyone home!

    There are always going to be complainers in the service, especially families. The problem is the media making it appear that we're losing, when the inverse is the truth.
     
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    if i may raise a point, my personal feeling is that the military is really the only segment of american society being asked to sacrifice right now. ordinary americans by and by live a normal life, really unaffected by what's happening in iraq or afghanistan. they're not sacrificing for their country, or even for their country's war efforts. so when i hear a military family gripe or moan, i understand, i see that part of that discontent (while natural and understandable from a historical perspective) also stems from them looking around at the rest of the country, in shock perhaps, at how unchanged the rest of the country is, while their worlds continue to be turned upside down.

    imagine all those reservists especially, how many of them are really gonna have their good jobs back when they get home? how much financial sacrifice are their families having to endure, while other americans enjoy the summer and coming holidays, seemingly carefree, the chances of dying in a car wreck much higher than dying in an act of terrorism.
     
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    Nato, I wouldn't blast any military person or family from complaining, they've earned it. Actually, can't stop anyone from complaining, it's one of the things that they fight for.

    As of this time it is a 'volunteer' military, thus the 'sacrifice' at home is very small. However they do pay with taxes, etc. More than a few are strongly supportive or non-supportive of the war, and are letting friends, neighbors, the media, and politician know their feelings.

    That is how the system works.
     
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    kathianne, i'm not saying you or anyone else is blasting the families... far from it

    i just mean,seriously, they are the only ones asked to sacrifice.
    bush (this is one of my major complaints about him that piss me off to no end but i'm still in the camp) could have asked americans to do so much more after 9/11, but he essentially told them to go back to shopping and being the same screwed up society and nation we were before 9/11...

    now i see kids who haven't seen their dads for months on end

    that is not anything like a businessman going for a week or two

    i see wives who are watching their marriages collapse under the weight of 9-18 month deployments, financial sacrifices and shortcomings, etc etc, even though many of them are trying their hardest to hold them together

    there is rarely that much marital stress for the ordinary american

    and i see families, nearly 1,000 of them so far, who have lost bedrocks and foundations of their families, their sons, their fathers, their brothers, sisters and mothers and daughters. and the thousands of injured (mentally and physically) vets who are back home or coming soon... most of them are not the same, some may never be. war is hell, and only a small percentage of our population is understanding that right now.
     
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    Nato, there is nothing anyone can say that will make it easier on the families who have lost someone in Iraq or anywhere else. That includes the civilians, firefighters, police, port authority, etc from 9/11. There is nothing that can be said.

    From all that I've seen though; families, neighbors, communities are striving to support those families with someone or someones serving or sadly lost.

    I'm really unsure about what 'everyday homefront people' could have been asked by the government. It's very different from the WW's. Don't need silk, have more than enough sugar, butter, etc.
    Have enough workers at munitions, etc.

    Perhaps buying bonds, but even that seems less useful than helping the economy to get back to a roar...
     
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    hmm, the possibilities are infiinte, you just need the imagination

    we lacked that before 9/11, and we still lack it after 9/11

    there is so much work to be done in america and around the world, yet no one is sounding the call for it, at least the sort of person that has real and considerable influence, and at the right time.
     

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