Iran’s Happy Jews - A Big Problem For Israel

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If Ahmadinejad really is Hitler, why are some 25,000 Jews living peacefully in Iran?


By Jonathan Cook

Iran is the new Nazi Germany and its President, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, is the new Hitler. Or so Israeli officials have been declaring for months as they and their American allies try to persuade the doubters in Washington that an attack on Tehran is essential. And if the latest media reports are to be trusted, it looks like they may again be winning the battle for hearts and minds: Vice President Dick Cheney is said to be diverting the White House back on track to launch a military strike.



Earlier this year Binyamin Netanyahu, Israel’s opposition leader and the man who appears to be styling himself scaremonger-in-chief, told us: “It’s 1938 and Iran is Germany. And Iran is racing to arm itself with atomic bombs.” Of Ahmadinejad, he said: “He is preparing another Holocaust for the Jewish state.””



A few weeks ago, as Israel’s military intelligence claimed — as it has been doing regularly since the early 1990s — that Iran is only a year or so away from the “point of no return” on developing a nuclear warhead. Netanyahu was at it again. “Iran could be the first undeterrable nuclear power,” he warned, adding: “This is a Jewish problem like Hitler was a Jewish problem. The future of the Jewish people depends on the future of Israel.””


But Netanyahu has been far from alone in making extravagant claims about a looming genocide from Iran. Israel’s new president, Shimon peres, has compared an Iranian nuclear bomb to a “flying concentration camp”. And the prime minister, Ehud Olmert, told a German newspaper last year: “[Ahmadinejad] speaks as Hitler did in his time of the extermination of the entire Jewish nation.””



There is an interesting problem with selling Iran as “Nazi Germany”. If Ahmadinejad really is Hitler, ready to commit genocide against Israel’s Jews as soon as he can get his hands on a nuclear weapon, why are some 25,000 Jews living peacefully in Iran and more than reluctant to leave despite repeated enticements from Israel and American Jews?



What is the basis for Israel’s dire forecasts — the ideological scaffolding being erected, presumably, to justify an attack on Iran? Helpfully, as George Bush defended his Iraq policies last month, he reminded us yet again of the menace Iran supposedly poses: it is “threatening to wipe Israel off the map”.



This myth has been endlessly recycled since a translating error was made of a speech Ahmadinejad delivered nearly two years ago. Farsi experts have verified that the Iranian president, far from threatening to destroy Israel, was quoting from an earlier speech by the late Ayatollah Khomeini in which he reassured supporters of the Palestinians that “the Zionist regime in Jerusalem would vanish from the page of time”.



He was not threatening to exterminate Jews or even Israel. He was comparing Israel’s occupation of the Palestinians with other illegitimate systems of rule whose time had passed, including the Shahs who once ruled Iran, apartheid South Africa and the Soviet empire. Nonetheless, this erroneous translation has survived and prospered because Israel and her supporters have exploited it for their own crude propaganda purposes.



In the meantime, the 25,000-strong Iranian Jewish community is the largest in the Middle East outside Israel and traces its roots back 3,000 years. As one of several non-Muslim minorities in Iran, Jews there suffer discrimination, but they are certainly no worse off than the one million Palestinian citizens of Israel — and far better off than Palestinians under Israeli occupation in the West Bank and Gaza.



Iranian Jews have little influence on decision-making and are not allowed to hold senior posts in the army or bureaucracy. But they enjoy many freedoms. They have an elected representative in parliament, they practice their religion openly in synagogues, their charities are funded by the Jewish diaspora, and they can travel freely, including to Israel. In Tehran there are six kosher butchers and about 30 synagogues. Ahmadinejad’s office recently made a donation to a Jewish hospital in Tehran.



As Ciamak Moresadegh, an Iranian Jewish leader, observed: “If you think Judaism and Zionism are one, it is like thinking Islam and the Taliban are the same, and they are not.”

Iran’s leaders denounce Zionism, which they blame for fueling discrimination against the Palestinians, but they have also repeatedly avowed that they have no problem with Jews, Judaism or even the state of Israel. Ahmadinejad, caricatured as a merchant of genocide, has in fact called for “regime change” — and then only in the sense that he believes a referendum should be held of all inhabitants of Israel and the occupied territories, including refugees from war, on the nature of the government.



Despite the absence of any threat to Iran’s Jews, the Israeli media recently reported that the Israeli government has been trying to find new ways to entice Iranian Jews to Israel. The Ma’ariv newspaper pointed out that previous schemes had found few takers. There was, noted the report, “a lack of desire on the part of thousands of Iranian Jews to leave”. According to the New York-based Forward newspaper, a campaign to convince Iranian Jews to emigrate to Israel caused only 152 out of these 25,000 Jews to leave Iran between October 2005 and September 2006, and most of them were said to have emigrated for economic reasons, not political ones.



To step up these efforts — and presumably to avoid the embarrassing incongruence of claiming an imminent second Holocaust while thousands of Jews live happily in Tehran — Israel is now backing a move by Jewish donors to guarantee every Iranian Jewish family $60,000 to settle in Israel, in addition to a host of existing financial incentives that are offered to Jewish immigrants, including loans and cheap mortgages.



The announcement was met with scorn by the Society of Iranian Jews, which issued a statement that their national identity was not for sale. “The identity of Iranian Jews is not tradeable for any amount of money. Iranian Jews are among the most ancient Iranians. Iran’s Jews love their Iranian identity and their culture, so threats and this immature political enticement will not achieve their aim of wiping out the identity of Iranian Jews.””



However, this financial gesture may not only be unwelcome but self-fulfilling too, if past experience is the yardstick. Israel introduced a similar scheme a few years ago, when Argentina’s economy plunged into deep recession, broadcasting an offer of $20,000 to every Jew who settled in Israel. Months later the Israeli media reported a rise in anti-Semitic attacks in Argentina, only adding to the pressure on Jews there to leave. Of course, there was no mention of a possible causal connection between the attacks and Israel’s proffered bribes to Jews to abandon their homeland as other Argentinians sank into poverty.



But if financial enticements — and a possible popular backlash — fail to move Iranian Jews, there is good reason to fear that Israel may resort to other, more dubious ways of encouraging them to emigrate. That is certainly a path Israel has chosen before with other communities of Arab Jews, whom it has regarded either as a pool of potential spies and agents provocateurs to be used when needed or as “human dust”, in the words of Israel’s first prime minister, David Ben Gurion, to be recruited to Israel’s “demographic battle” against the Palestinians.



In “Operation Susannah” of 1954, for example, Israel recklessly recruited a group of Egyptian Jews to stage a series of explosions in Egypt in a bid to discourage Britain from withdrawing from the Suez Canal zone. When the plot came to light, it naturally cast a shadow of disloyalty over Egypt’s wider Jewish community. Following Israel’s invasion and occupation of Sinai two years later, the government of Gamal Abdel Nasser expelled some 25,000 Egyptian Jews and, after others were imprisoned on suspicion of spying, the rest soon left.



Even more notoriously, Israel went to greater lengths to ensure the exit of the Arab worlds largest Jewish population, in Iraq. In 1950 a series of bombs targeted on Jews in Baghdad forced a rapid exodus of some 130,000 Iraqi Jews to Israel, convinced that Arab extremists were behind the attacks. Only later did it emerge that the bombs had been planted by members of the Zionist underground, supported by the Israeli government.



Now, Iran’s Jews may find themselves treated in much the same manner — as simple human fodder. Stories are growing of Israel exploiting the free movement between Iran and Israel enjoyed by Iranian Jews and their Israeli relatives to carry out spying operations on Iran’s nuclear program. Such reports have come from sources such as the American journalist Seymour Hersh, citing U.S. government officials.



The fallout from such actions is not difficult to predict. Besieged by the U.S. and the international community, Tehran is cracking down on dissent and minority groups, fearful that its own grip on power is shaky and that the well-publicized subversion being carried out by U.S. and Israeli agents is likely only to be stepped up. So far most officials in Tehran have been careful to avoid suggesting that Iran’s Jews have double loyalties, as has the local Jewish community itself, both of them aware of Israel’s interests in provoking such a confrontation. But as the strains increase, and Israel’s need to prove Tehran’s “genocidal” intent grows ever stronger, that policy may end up being forfeited — and with it the future of Iran’s Jews.



More important than the welfare of Iranian Jewish families, it seems, is the value of Iranian Jews as a propaganda tool in Israel’s battle to persuade the world that coexistence with the Muslim world is impossible. For those who want to engineer a clash of civilizations, the 3,000-year-old Jewish legacy in Iran is not something to be treasured, only another obstacle to war.




– Jonathan Cook is a writer and journalist based in Nazareth, Israel. He is the author of ‘Blood and Religion: The Unmasking of the Jewish and Democratic State’ published by Pluto Press, and available in the United States from the University of Michigan press. His website is Jonathan Cook's News Archive - Israel Palestine

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I thought the article was very interesting and might lead to intelligent discussion.

Not name calling and derision.

That would require you raise an intelligent point. Not lies which, as gunny said, have already been disproven.

Besides, holocaust deniers are too stupid and hateful to discuss anything with.

put that in your hookah and smoke it.
 
That would require you raise an intelligent point. Not lies which, as gunny said, have already been disproven.

Besides, holocaust deniers are too stupid and hateful to discuss anything with.

put that in your hookah and smoke it.
I don't smoke. It is haram.

This article had nothing to do with the holohoax.

I thought it was interesting because it delt with the Jews in Iran.

Most people don't have any idea there are Jews in many Islamic countries.

The next one I was going to start was about the Jews in Yemen. Facinating stuff.

I just want to post diffrent things, because half of the threads on this board are about Palin. Boreing!!!
 
I don't smoke. It is haram.

This article had nothing to do with the holohoax.

I thought it was interesting because it delt with the Jews in Iran.

Most people don't have any idea there are Jews in many Islamic countries.

The next one I was going to start was about the Jews in Yemen. Facinating stuff.

I just want to post diffrent things, because half of the threads on this board are about Palin. Boreing!!!

She didn't say it had anything to do with the Holocaust. She said Holocaust deniers too stupid and hateful to discuss anything with.

And don't try to play semantics with me. Hating Zionists and Israel is hating Jews. I just skinned the veneer off for you.

That's a good thing to learn and teach from a religion huh? Hate? Good thing you converted. Otherwise you might have too much time on your hands to do something constructive.
 
And don't try to play semantics with me. Hating Zionists and Israel is hating Jews.
What you are saying isn't true.

There are more Jews who live outside of Israel than in Israel.

Zionism is an ideology not a person, and Israel is a country not a people.

I can call for the dismatteling of both Zionism and Israel, without disliking the Jewish people.

I don't hate Jews. They are a wonderful and inovative, clever people. And I respect their religion.
 
A anti-Semite, shares a article written by a anti-Semite and this is supposed to be taken as factual and impartial reporting.

It is just another racist bias opinion.

So what's new?
 
What you are saying isn't true.

There are more Jews who live outside of Israel than in Israel.

Zionism is an ideology not a person, and Israel is a country not a people.

I can call for the dismatteling of both Zionism and Israel, without disliking the Jewish people.

I don't hate Jews. They are a wonderful and inovative, clever people. And I respect their religion.



Oh come on, what a pile of double talk.

At least man up and admit what you are. You do not like Jews, you do not like the state of Israel.

So what? Your not the only one, stand tall behind your convictions instead of this pissy double talk.

I may disagree with your opinion, but then at least I could respect you when you share it.
 
I don't hate jews Gunny. Just the Zionists and Israel
Sunni, when Israel was Born Again as the Bible predicted would happen thousands of years ago, over half a million Jews left Jew Hating Islamic countries to immigrate to their traditional homeland. Since that time, the number of jewish immigrants from Islamic Countries has increased to over 800,000. How come the Jews can flee persecution in Islamic countries and NOW you claim that they should leave Israel? Will the Islamic countries set aside land for them so they can live in peace?

You know and I know that will never happen. The Jews have returned to their traditional homeland, the land given to them by their God Jehovah Jireh who claims that it is HIS LAND in the Bible and the Torah.

As I have warned before, it is very foolish to mess with Jehovah Jireh, the provider. He has shown in the past that he has absolutely no tolerance for non believers. "Go into the Promised Land and slay all of the inhabitants thereof."

Getting Jehovah Jireh angry with you is almost as bad as littering in Texas when you have out of state license plates. YOU can go to jail for life for that if you have the foolish audacity to speak back to a Texas state trooper. When driving across country, you quickly learn that you do not mess with Texas. I have tremendous respect for Texas and their state troopers and never litter in that state.

You Islamics who follow the Moon God need to learn not to mess with Jehovah Jireh. He is a violent God who don't take no sass. Serious, dude, you and all your fellow Sunnis are in for a world of hurt.

The Shitties are all condemned to hell fire already, and the likelyhood according to the Bible is that they will be dispatched to hell in very short order. I hear stories from my Jewish friends in northern Israel that a Biblical Plague is going to strike the Arab Islamic people, and that most of them are going to die soon. Read in the Bible about what happened to Egypt when it decided to show a lack of respect to Jehovah back in the days of Moses. It is very unwise to deny Jehovah.
 
Muslims 100% believe in Jehovah the God of the Chosen people of ancient Israel

We just use the arabic language name for him "Allah" which means "The One God".
 

And don't try to play semantics with me. Hating Zionists and Israel is hating Jews. I just skinned the veneer off for you.



I have no interest in defending Sunni in any single thread BUT that statement is a load of bullshit. Was it possible to hate Nazis and not Germans? Leaping strait to the Antisemite label totally avoids discussion about Iran's population of jews who, ironically, REFUSED their ethnic right of return to israel. Hell, they ARE the second largest population of jews in the middle east.

Iran's proud but discreet Jews

Although Iran and Israel are bitter enemies, few know that Iran is home to the largest number of Jews anywhere in the Middle East outside Israel.

About 25,000 Jews live in Iran and most are determined to remain no matter what the pressures - as proud of their Iranian culture as of their Jewish roots.
BBC NEWS | Middle East | Iran's proud but discreet Jews


So, in essence, beyond all the predictable zionist label machine bullshit... Sunni's point stands.
 
yeah...let's let lying pieces of garbage like sunni decide how jews are being treated.... yeppers....

Are the Jews in Iran “relatively unharmed,” as Martin Indyk claims? Perhaps that depends on what he means by “relatively.” The State Department’s report states that during the past year, “there was a further deterioration of the extremely poor status of respect for religious freedom” in Iran. Jews and other minorities were “targets of government harassment” and victims of “the government’s harsh and oppressive treatment.” They “suffer varying degrees of officially sanctioned discrimination, particularly in the areas of employment, education and housing.”

“Every Iranian Jew who had the financial possibility or courage has already left,” and those who remain behind are living in fear, according to Iranian-born Menashe Amir, the host of a Persian-language radio show that Israel beams to Iran. In a recent interview, Amir said that “While there are Jewish schools, the principals and most of the teachers are Muslim, the Bible is taught in Farsi [Persian], not in Hebrew, and the schools are forced to open on Saturday, the Jewish Sabbath. So while the regime declares that there is freedom of religion, it is all just for the sake of appearances.”

The interviewer added: “Jewish leaders are reluctant to draw attention to incidences of mistreatment of their community, due to fear of government reprisal, along with fear of being arrested or accused of being spies.” They have not forgotten how 13 Iranian Jews were jailed in 1999 on trumped-up espionage charges. It was only after an intense international protest campaign that they were finally freed after several years of brutal incarceration.

Amir pointed out that local Jews are often compelled by the regime to issue statements supporting Iran’s nuclear policy or denouncing Israeli actions. In many ways, then, Iranian Jewry is a captive community.

Of course, Iran in 2006 is not exactly the same as Germany in 1936. And it is important to be cautious about comparing one’s opponent to Hitler or the Nazis. Such analogies usually have the unintended effect of minimizing the horrors of the Nazi regime and grossly exaggerating the misdeeds of the person who is the subject of the comparison. They have been invoked too often in recent political debates in the United States.

But in the case of an anti-Semitic dictator who sponsors suicide-bomb massacres of Israelis and threatens to wipe the Jewish state off the face of the earth, one need not rush to give him the benefit of the doubt. Besides, why assume that President Ahmadinejad objects to being compared to Hitler? He might even consider it a compliment.

j. - Conditions for Jews in Iran aren’t what they seem
 
hey, THEY chose not to assimilate into the zionist machine in israel. You wanna demonize someone then go chase THEM for making THEIR CHOICE to stay in Iran despite whatever assumptions you may have about their treatment.
 
Muslims 100% believe in Jehovah the God of the Chosen people of ancient Israel

We just use the arabic language name for him "Allah" which means "The One God".

Sorry, it is impossible for you to call Him Jehovah, as the teachings of Mohammed contradict the teachings of Jehovah and his people. Once that is understood there can be no accomodation between followers of Jehovah and followers of Allah.
 
What else would you expect a Bush administration State Department to say about Iran? :lol: :lol: :lol:





I don't think anyone needs to say anything negative about Iran, it seems that their little spokesman is presenting that case well in their own words.
 

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