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Confirmation of foreign fighters in Iran. Haven't heard anything but pure speculation on where they are from though. They are speaking Arabic apparently.
Edit: Whoops!
Hamas and Hezbollah are both on Iran's payroll. Not surprising and quite disgusting to be honest. This is a FRAGILE situation - one move the wrong way by the government and this thing will explode.
Isn't it amazing, though, how the partial recount of the votes is taking LONGER than the first counting of ALL of the votes??
Amid the violence, confusion and government restrictions on communication, the accuracy of conflicting accounts is hard to ascertain.
"The most important thing that I believe people outside of Iran should be aware of," the young man went on, "is the participation of Palestinian forces in these riots."
Another protester, who spoke as he carried a kitchen knife in one hand and a stone in the other, also cited the presence of Hamas in Teheran.
On Monday, he said, "my brother had his ribs beaten in by those Palestinian animals. Taking our people's money is not enough, they are thirsty for our blood too."
It was ironic, this man said, that the victorious Ahmadinejad "tells us to pray for the young Palestinians, suffering at the hands of Israel." His hope, he added, was that Israel would "come to its senses" and ruthlessly deal with the Palestinians.
When asked if these militia fighters could have been mistaken for Lebanese Shi'ites, sent by Hizbullah, he rejected the idea. "Ask anyone, they will tell you the same thing. They [Palestinian extremists] are out beating Iranians in the streets The more we gave this arrogant race, the more they want [But] we will not let them push us around in our own country."
Protesters tell "Post' Hamas helping Iran crush dissent | Iran news | Jerusalem Post
What Nico Pitney has to say about that article:
Where are the standards? The Jerusalem Post runs a story, based off the claims of "two protesters," that Palestinian Hamas members are attacking the reformists in Iran.
On Monday, he said, "my brother had his ribs beaten in by those Palestinian animals. Taking our people's money is not enough, they are thirsty for our blood too."
The protesters quoted offer no evidence (that the Post printed) of a tie to Palestine or Hamas. It seems quite irresponsible to me for a newspaper to be printing these serious allegations with apparently zero evidence. I should say, the Jerusalem Post isn't the only guilty party, just the most recent.
That said, as I wrote last night, I am very eager to find evidence of foreign fighters in Iran. If you see any, please send it over.
His claims ring true to me. It seems to be poorly sourced, and it seems a bit strange that there would be vast amounts of Palestinians there. But I am also interested in seeing information of this type, so feel free to post other sources if they are saying this, or anything else about foreign fighters.
Originally posted by toomuchtime
does support for the Palestinians and hostility towards Israel in the Arab/Muslim world arise naturally from the culture or religion or is it mostly state sponsored as a means of deflecting hostility towards the government onto Israel?
As stated earlier in a previous post, it appears the Iranian youth of 2009 are now attempting to undo the revolutionary overthrow led by the Iranian youth of 1979. (Someone in here was confused at that, declaring the youth of Iran as a minority - that if course is not the case - with Iran's median age at about 25 years of age...)
The true test for these youth will be if they have the spine to stand up to an actual military crack down - if so, true revolution could sweep across Iran. For now, these demonstration, though resulting in a limited number of deaths, are merely romanticized actions of revolt by the Iranian youth. Real revolution will require widespread willingness to die for the cause, and that willingness has yet to be determined.
One of the ironic components of this Iranian youth uprising is that these youth have been westernized to some extent via technology - unlike their 1979 revolutionary counterparts, they actually aspire to exeprience the multi-opportunistic facets of the western world, vs outright condemnation of it.
But like their 1979 counterparts, these youth will hopefully be cautious of being simple tools of Mousavi, who himself was a pre-approved candidate of the Mullahs and Iran's Supreme Leader. Mousavi is not nearly as radical as recent events would have outsiders believe - though a standoff with the Mullahs could very well force him into that role - one that will either push him forward as Iran's new leader, or take his life from him. (or Mousavi may flee and live in exile...)
The world should know by the end of the week where this Iranian uprising will ultimately lead - will it be stamped out, or will it grow into something larger and far more significant?
For now, it is too early to tell...
As stated earlier in a previous post, it appears the Iranian youth of 2009 are now attempting to undo the revolutionary overthrow led by the Iranian youth of 1979. (Someone in here was confused at that, declaring the youth of Iran as a minority - that if course is not the case - with Iran's median age at about 25 years of age...)
The true test for these youth will be if they have the spine to stand up to an actual military crack down - if so, true revolution could sweep across Iran. For now, these demonstration, though resulting in a limited number of deaths, are merely romanticized actions of revolt by the Iranian youth. Real revolution will require widespread willingness to die for the cause, and that willingness has yet to be determined.
One of the ironic components of this Iranian youth uprising is that these youth have been westernized to some extent via technology - unlike their 1979 revolutionary counterparts, they actually aspire to exeprience the multi-opportunistic facets of the western world, vs outright condemnation of it.
But like their 1979 counterparts, these youth will hopefully be cautious of being simple tools of Mousavi, who himself was a pre-approved candidate of the Mullahs and Iran's Supreme Leader. Mousavi is not nearly as radical as recent events would have outsiders believe - though a standoff with the Mullahs could very well force him into that role - one that will either push him forward as Iran's new leader, or take his life from him. (or Mousavi may flee and live in exile...)
The world should know by the end of the week where this Iranian uprising will ultimately lead - will it be stamped out, or will it grow into something larger and far more significant?
For now, it is too early to tell...
The outrage is obviously there, but are they willing to die? Just admitting the vote counting was incorrect and placing Mousavi in power will only give Iranians a little more freedom. At the rate this is escalating though, there could be whole scale change where the clerics are removed from any real power and the government actually moves toward real democracy.
If this happens however, it will be bloody as the military will almost certainly be split.
Thank you for the information. It's sad, it really is, in Iran or any country where elections lead to this. This all just enforces that very wrong deeds were done and the election is fraud.
As stated earlier in a previous post, it appears the Iranian youth of 2009 are now attempting to undo the revolutionary overthrow led by the Iranian youth of 1979. (Someone in here was confused at that, declaring the youth of Iran as a minority - that if course is not the case - with Iran's median age at about 25 years of age...)
The true test for these youth will be if they have the spine to stand up to an actual military crack down - if so, true revolution could sweep across Iran. For now, these demonstration, though resulting in a limited number of deaths, are merely romanticized actions of revolt by the Iranian youth. Real revolution will require widespread willingness to die for the cause, and that willingness has yet to be determined.
One of the ironic components of this Iranian youth uprising is that these youth have been westernized to some extent via technology - unlike their 1979 revolutionary counterparts, they actually aspire to exeprience the multi-opportunistic facets of the western world, vs outright condemnation of it.
But like their 1979 counterparts, these youth will hopefully be cautious of being simple tools of Mousavi, who himself was a pre-approved candidate of the Mullahs and Iran's Supreme Leader. Mousavi is not nearly as radical as recent events would have outsiders believe - though a standoff with the Mullahs could very well force him into that role - one that will either push him forward as Iran's new leader, or take his life from him. (or Mousavi may flee and live in exile...)
The world should know by the end of the week where this Iranian uprising will ultimately lead - will it be stamped out, or will it grow into something larger and far more significant?
For now, it is too early to tell...
The outrage is obviously there, but are they willing to die? Just admitting the vote counting was incorrect and placing Mousavi in power will only give Iranians a little more freedom. At the rate this is escalating though, there could be whole scale change where the clerics are removed from any real power and the government actually moves toward real democracy.
If this happens however, it will be bloody as the military will almost certainly be split.
thats it exactlyAs stated earlier in a previous post, it appears the Iranian youth of 2009 are now attempting to undo the revolutionary overthrow led by the Iranian youth of 1979. (Someone in here was confused at that, declaring the youth of Iran as a minority - that if course is not the case - with Iran's median age at about 25 years of age...)
The true test for these youth will be if they have the spine to stand up to an actual military crack down - if so, true revolution could sweep across Iran. For now, these demonstration, though resulting in a limited number of deaths, are merely romanticized actions of revolt by the Iranian youth. Real revolution will require widespread willingness to die for the cause, and that willingness has yet to be determined.
One of the ironic components of this Iranian youth uprising is that these youth have been westernized to some extent via technology - unlike their 1979 revolutionary counterparts, they actually aspire to exeprience the multi-opportunistic facets of the western world, vs outright condemnation of it.
But like their 1979 counterparts, these youth will hopefully be cautious of being simple tools of Mousavi, who himself was a pre-approved candidate of the Mullahs and Iran's Supreme Leader. Mousavi is not nearly as radical as recent events would have outsiders believe - though a standoff with the Mullahs could very well force him into that role - one that will either push him forward as Iran's new leader, or take his life from him. (or Mousavi may flee and live in exile...)
The world should know by the end of the week where this Iranian uprising will ultimately lead - will it be stamped out, or will it grow into something larger and far more significant?
For now, it is too early to tell...
The outrage is obviously there, but are they willing to die? Just admitting the vote counting was incorrect and placing Mousavi in power will only give Iranians a little more freedom. At the rate this is escalating though, there could be whole scale change where the clerics are removed from any real power and the government actually moves toward real democracy.
If this happens however, it will be bloody as the military will almost certainly be split.
Mousawi is not too much different from Ajnenjenadad. If the youth really want a different government they need to get rid of both these guys & most importantly the Mullahs who really control Iran.
The only way they do that is to get the Republican guard behind them. I don't think that is likely.
