Iran war

[rhodescholar]

shouldn't you be telling me what a tough guy you are, sweetie?

I thought that was your job here, pusscake. Especially since you got fired as mod, it's not like you have much else usefulness around here.

 

[Jos]

Threats Against Iran are Criminal Under International Law

Last week, Brazil’s Foreign Affairs Minister, Antonio Patriota, reminded Ban Ki-moon regarding his role as UN Secretary General. it referred to the issue of criminal actions in derogation of international law.

"One sometimes hears the expression, 'all options are on the table.' But some actions are contrary to international law" Patriota told UN Secretar General Ban Ki-moon.

This declaration was reported by Yahoo News, which explains the context:

Patriota's comments come as the United States, United Kingdom and Russia have asked Israel both privately and publicly not to carry out a preemptive strike against Iran's nuclear facilities. (Laura Rozen, UN should weigh in on legality of Iran strike, Brazil’s foreign minister tells Yahoo News, Yahoo News, February 23, 2012)

This article implies that only Israel has uttered such threats. Yet, President Obama himself said that “all options are on the table”, a warning also issued by other U.S. officials from both his and the previous administration.

The Yahoo News article reviews Brazil’s growing influence in international politics. Mark Weisbrot from the Center for Economic and Policy Research specified that this kind of threat represents a “serious crime under international law, and a clear violation of the United Nations Charter.” (Mark Weisbrot, Brazil Takes the Lead In Trying to Prevent Another Senseless War, February 28, 2012)

Antonio Patriota was referring to Article 2 of the UN Charter, which states:

All Members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Purposes of the United Nations. (Charter of the United Nations)

Threats Against Iran are Criminal Under International Law

 

[toomuchtime_]

Threats Against Iran are Criminal Under International Law

Last week, Brazil’s Foreign Affairs Minister, Antonio Patriota, reminded Ban Ki-moon regarding his role as UN Secretary General. it referred to the issue of criminal actions in derogation of international law.

"One sometimes hears the expression, 'all options are on the table.' But some actions are contrary to international law" Patriota told UN Secretar General Ban Ki-moon.

This declaration was reported by Yahoo News, which explains the context:

Patriota's comments come as the United States, United Kingdom and Russia have asked Israel both privately and publicly not to carry out a preemptive strike against Iran's nuclear facilities. (Laura Rozen, UN should weigh in on legality of Iran strike, Brazil’s foreign minister tells Yahoo News, Yahoo News, February 23, 2012)

This article implies that only Israel has uttered such threats. Yet, President Obama himself said that “all options are on the table”, a warning also issued by other U.S. officials from both his and the previous administration.

The Yahoo News article reviews Brazil’s growing influence in international politics. Mark Weisbrot from the Center for Economic and Policy Research specified that this kind of threat represents a “serious crime under international law, and a clear violation of the United Nations Charter.” (Mark Weisbrot, Brazil Takes the Lead In Trying to Prevent Another Senseless War, February 28, 2012)

Antonio Patriota was referring to Article 2 of the UN Charter, which states:

All Members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Purposes of the United Nations. (Charter of the United Nations)

Threats Against Iran are Criminal Under International Law

Crap. Iran is guilty of thousands or attacks against Israel, thousands of violations of Israel's territorial integrity, over more than three decades through it Arab proxies, Hezbollah, Hamas and Islamic Jihad, and in the context of this history, ongoing attacks against Israel, threats to destroy the state of Israel, explicit and implied, from the highest levels of the Iranian government, as Israeli attack against Iran's nuclear weapons and long range missile programs would clearly be an act of defense and completely legal under international law.

 

[Jos]

Principles of International Law Recognized in the Charter of the Nüremberg Tribunal and in the Judgment of the Tribunal, 1950.

Any person who commits an act which constitutes a crime under international law is responsible therefor and liable to punishment.


Principle II

The fact that internal law does not impose a penalty for an act which constitutes a crime under international law does not relieve the person who committed the act from responsibility under international law.


Principle III

The fact that a person who committed an act which constitutes a crime under international law acted as Head of State or responsible Government official does not relieve him from responsibility under international law.


Principle IV

The fact that a person acted pursuant to order of his Government or of a superior does not relieve him from responsibility under international law, provided a moral choice was in fact possible to him.


Principle V

Any person charged with a crime under international law has the right to a fair trial on the facts and law.

The crimes hereinafter set out are punishable as crimes under international law:

(a) Crimes against peace:
(i) Planning, preparation, initiation or waging of a war of aggression or a war in violation of international treaties, agreements or assurances;
(ii) Participation in a common plan or conspiracy for the accomplishment of any of the acts mentioned under (i).

International Humanitarian Law - Principles Nuremberg Tribunal 1950

 

[katsung47]

USS Enterprise - Possible False Flag!

Stop The False Flag Attack On The U.S.S. Enterprise - YouTube

Do US and Israel want an excuse to start a war with Iran, and need to make it look like Iran started the hostilities, so it is more difficult for Russia and China to support Iran?

Israel has a past history of attacking US war ships and framing others, to trick the US into attacks on Israel's enemies.

The USS Enterprise is on her last legs and scheduled to be decommissioned next year. Decommissioning a nuclear air craft carrier is a very expensive process. The 8 nuclear reactors must all be disposed of as nuclear waste material.

The navy would save a great deal of money if the USS Enterprise was sunk in the Persian Gulf.

Why send an ancient war ship into harms way?

False flags can be preventing by alerting the public to the possibility, so the story would not be believable.

911 did the same way. The insulator of the WTC was asbestos. It was forbidden by the later rule of construction. WTC thus became a hot potato in real estate market. The cost to tear down WTC would be high - equal to build a new one. Then we saw 911, they let insurance company to pay for the money.

 

[Ropey]

^ Conspiracy Theories

 

[Jos]

^ Notice how israeli firsters try to deflect the facts

 

[Ropey]

^ Notice how israeli firsters try to deflect the facts

[911 did the same way. The insulator of the WTC was asbestos. It was forbidden by the later rule of construction. WTC thus became a hot potato in real estate market. The cost to tear down WTC would be high - equal to build a new one. Then we saw 911, they let insurance company to pay for the money.

The "fact" katsung47 is saying is that America did 9-11 on themselves and as a false flag so...

 

[Jos]

When Americans learn what the israeli firsters have done there will be blood on the streets

 

[High_Gravity]

When Americans learn what the israeli firsters have done there will be blood on the streets

Huh?

 

[FireFly]

When Americans learn what the israeli firsters have done there will be blood on the streets

Israel had nothing to do with the 9/11 Attacks. That was Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia & possibly Pakistan.

 

[Jos]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pdRhndfEGY]9/11 Whodunnitt? You Decide. - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Ropey]

^^ Conspiracy Theories

 

[katsung47]

Quote, "Why are there Hungarian MIG-29 in Israel?

English| We already dealt with this question once. The thing was brought up on the hook of why Israeli airplanes drill above Romania. We dissected the issue, that presumably they practice the high hill conditions similar to Iran, and with the Hungarian aircraft they are training under desert conditions, since Iran has this aerial flight at his disposal.

Carrying of MIG aircraft to Israel gained a more dangerous meaning according to the recent happenings. It appears much more logical that the Hungarian aircraft will be sacrificed. Iran is not that fool that he would leap into a war in such a way voluntarily that he attacks the American ships threatening him. The Israeli pilots will do this with the Hungarian aircraft.

They are transformed into Iranian aircraft supplied with colours and ensigns like that, as if they would be Iranian aircraft. A spectacular, well recorded attack against the american ships when Iranian ensign are visible on the planes would be enough for the public opinion to require immediate counterattack by NATO. One or two of them would be shot, and the TV reporters would be allowed to pass at a close range then they can see Iranian ensign on the planes - this would be the final, perfect propaganda of war against Iran.

Ejected and caught pilots would admit they were truly Iranian pilots and everyone would know about it. By this the war would be inescapable, and legally solid. Iran would expound the truth, but nobody would be interested on the West because they already are only waiting for some kind of minor excuse.

This may be easily the new Pearl Harbor case, and this is why those planes were carried just next to Iran.
Why are there Hungarian MIG-29 in Israel? | www.jöv

 

[toomuchtime_]

Quote, "Why are there Hungarian MIG-29 in Israel?

English| We already dealt with this question once. The thing was brought up on the hook of why Israeli airplanes drill above Romania. We dissected the issue, that presumably they practice the high hill conditions similar to Iran, and with the Hungarian aircraft they are training under desert conditions, since Iran has this aerial flight at his disposal.

Carrying of MIG aircraft to Israel gained a more dangerous meaning according to the recent happenings. It appears much more logical that the Hungarian aircraft will be sacrificed. Iran is not that fool that he would leap into a war in such a way voluntarily that he attacks the American ships threatening him. The Israeli pilots will do this with the Hungarian aircraft.

They are transformed into Iranian aircraft supplied with colours and ensigns like that, as if they would be Iranian aircraft. A spectacular, well recorded attack against the american ships when Iranian ensign are visible on the planes would be enough for the public opinion to require immediate counterattack by NATO. One or two of them would be shot, and the TV reporters would be allowed to pass at a close range then they can see Iranian ensign on the planes - this would be the final, perfect propaganda of war against Iran.

Ejected and caught pilots would admit they were truly Iranian pilots and everyone would know about it. By this the war would be inescapable, and legally solid. Iran would expound the truth, but nobody would be interested on the West because they already are only waiting for some kind of minor excuse.

This may be easily the new Pearl Harbor case, and this is why those planes were carried just next to Iran.
Why are there Hungarian MIG-29 in Israel? | www.jöv

Truly bizarre. A more rational explanation is:

Israel Air Force test pilots are flying MIG 29 jets and conducting dogfights against the IAF's F-16 fighters, Israel TV Channel 2 revealed last Wednesday. The MIG 29, developed by the soviets in the 1970s, is one of the best fighter jets used by eastern and Arab countries, as well as by Syria and Iran. It was developed to counter American-made jets such the F-16 or F/A-18.

The Jerusalem post, which printed the story this week, claims that the jets were loaned to Israel by an unnamed foreign country. It is not the first time that Israeli fighter pilots tested Russian aircraft. One of the most dramatic stories happened in a major intelligence coup, the Israeli Mossad stole an Iraqi MiG-21 in 1966, its active pilot flying it to a secret airbase in Israel.

A test jet is just like a regular one, except for special sensors which cover literally every aspect of its mechanical and electronic systems and can be monitored from the ground for assessment, a senior test pilot explained.

An additional experiment conducted recently by the air force involved loading an F-16 with weapons to its utmost capacity, or "flight in a heavy formation," as the test pilot labeled it. The experiment was meant to measure the pilot's safety and the fighter's capability when it was carrying the maximum amount of armaments.

A jet so armed might be used in a long-distance sortie. The pilots interviewed would not name which foreign countries might be the targets of such sorties, but it was clear the main target of such an ambitious mission would be Iran's nuclear installations.

IAF Pilots are Practicing MIG-29/F-16 Dogfights

 

[rhodescholar]

^ Notice how israeli firsters try to deflect the facts

"Israel firsters", just hilarious. Mentally ill, weak trash posters like this really dumb the forum down. Scum like this has no issue with pakistanis living in the US defending pakistan, or irish americans sending money to ireland to fight on against England - no these fucking turds can only complain when jews defend israel.

Choke to death animal asshole.

 

[JStone]

^ Notice how israeli firsters try to deflect the facts

"Israel firsters", just hilarious. Mentally ill, weak trash posters like this really dumb the forum down. Scum like this has no issue with pakistanis living in the US defending pakistan, or irish americans sending money to ireland to fight on against England - no these fucking turds can only complain when jews defend israel.

Choke to death animal asshole.

You forgot to take your anti-psychotic medication?

US: Iran Supporting al Qaeda Treasury Targets Key Al-Qa

 

[kawserahmed]

Subject to the Iran problem US is going to impose a new embargo from 28 June. All foreign oil importer will fall under this embargo.

 

[rancidmilko]

The whole balance of the world hangs on a small question.
"Are Iranians crazy enough to attack?"
It's not like humanity doesn't have 1000's of other problems
The biggest one of them is that we don't seem to agree on shit.

 

[RoccoR]

rancidmilko, et al,

Iran is a rational player. We must think of it as a rational player and treat it accordingly. It is not a nation that is contemplating suicide. And a independent strike against any nation, conventional or otherwise, woud be suicidal for Iran.

The whole balance of the world hangs on a small question.
"Are Iranians crazy enough to attack?"
It's not like humanity doesn't have 1000's of other problems
The biggest one of them is that we don't seem to agree on shit.

(COMMENT)

Iran wants to be the Lord Protector of the Gulf States, and the major voice for the greater Middle East Region and its policies. It wants to be a force that moves out/ejects the non-Islamic Military Hegemony that the US represents. But there is no reason to believe that with, or without, a Nuclear Military Capability, Iran would unleash such a weapon; even on Israel.

What it does want is parity with Israel; to achieve a balance of power. And this is a critical point of disagreement.

Most Respectfully,
R