Iran Now Admits To Developing Plutonium

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http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/16/international/europe/16nuke.html?th&emc=th
June 16, 2005
Iran Said to Admit Tests on Path to Atom Arms
By RICHARD BERNSTEIN

VIENNA, June 15 - Iran has admitted that it conducted small-scale experiments to create plutonium, one of the pathways to building nuclear weapons, for five years beyond the date when it previously insisted it had ended all such work, a senior official of the International Atomic Energy Agency is expected to report Thursday.

In an oral statement to be delivered at a meeting of the nuclear watchdog agency's board, the agency's deputy director, Pierre Goldschmidt, will say Iran made the admissions after being confronted with the result of laboratory tests conducted on samples collected from an Iranian nuclear site.

Mr. Goldschmidt's three-page statement was provided to The New York Times on Wednesday, after it had been leaked to the French News Agency and other news services.

The United States is likely to use the statement to bolster its arguments that Iran continues to withhold important information about its progress on its nuclear research. Since 2003, when Iran first began admitting that it had hidden 17 years of work from the nuclear agency, it made assurances that its accounting of its activities was full. But it has repeatedly had to revise that accounting, often in the face of evidence from the agency's scientific analyses.

The agency statement is coming as Europe and Iran negotiate over the future of Iran's nuclear program.

In advance of the Iranian elections on Friday, Tehran has insisted that it will never give up its right to manufacture nuclear fuel. But it maintains that its nuclear research is aimed solely at generating electrical power, and that it was forced to hide its experiments because of international embargoes.

The United States says it is convinced that Iran is secretly trying to develop nuclear weapons.

"From what I understand of the report, which I haven't seen, it doesn't say as much about a new capability or intention as much as it says about Iran's lack of candor so far," Corey Hinderstein, deputy director of the Institute for Science and International Security, a Washington research organization that has been critical of Iran, said in a telephone interview.

"It shows that Iran has yet to come clean about its nuclear program," Ms. Hinderstein said. "Each new revelation that they haven't told the truth, especially at this late date, increases questions about what else they're hiding."


But an Iranian negotiator interviewed in Vienna, Cyrus Nasseri, denied that the disclosures regarding plutonium experiments indicated any effort by Iran to conceal activities.

"What difference would it make for us to say these tests were made 13 years ago or 10 years ago?" he said. "It would make no difference at all, so there cannot be any motive of concealment." He said the disclosure of new dates reflected the time required to examine the record rather than concealment.

"I can understand that some might want to make a big story out of this," he continued, "but I'm sorry, it's not a big story."

The written text of the statement Mr. Goldschmidt is scheduled to make Thursday refers to plutonium separation experiments and says, "Iran has said that the experiments were completed in 1993 and that no plutonium had been separated since then."

But, the statement continues, the agency's investigations of plutonium discs brought to Vienna under seal in October 2003 indicated that one sample had been processed in 1995 and the other in 1998. Those findings were hinted at in an agency report published in November.

"In a letter dated 26 May 2005," the statement says, "Iran confirmed the agency's understanding with regard to that chronology."

The new information suggests that Iran worked on plutonium reprocessing for many more years than it has publicly acknowledged. Until now, most of the international focus on Iran has been on its pursuit of another nuclear technology, the enrichment of uranium using gas centrifuges. Like plutonium reprocessing, uranium enrichment can be part of a peaceful nuclear program. But further processed uranium and plutonium can be used to fuel a nuclear bomb.

North Korea is believed to have tried both approaches as well, according to American intelligence officials. The North has boasted that it has created weapons from plutonium - a claim American intelligence agencies say they cannot verify - but has denied enriching uranium.

But in Iran's case, the nuclear agency has not charged the country with seeking to build weapons, and analysts also cautioned that small-scale plutonium separation experiments are not necessarily related to weapons development. Many countries have tried to recycle nuclear fuel, from Europe to the United States to Japan.
 
the living hell out of Iran. Is there anyone who believes that we, or the Israelis in particular, whom have been threatened verbally endlessly by the mullahs, (We will attack Israel when we can and annihilate the Jews) will tolerate an Iran with nukes. N. Korea is bad enough but they've the Chinese to somewhat rein them in. Who reins in Iran? Answer nobody. So The United States or Israel really have no choice. I wonder if the Iranians have convinced themselves that we or Israel will do nothing. That would be a piss poor assumption.
 
I hope it hastens the day when the administration decides
on a policy how to stop them.

These fukkers slowly edge to the possession of nukes and nothing
is done about it.
 
nosarcasm said:
I hope it hastens the day when the administration decides
on a policy how to stop them.

These fukkers slowly edge to the possession of nukes and nothing
is done about it.

And who do you think will bitch the loudest "Bush didn't do anything," once they have them? The verysame nimrods preventing us from using a little preemptive "diplomacy."
 
GunnyL said:
And who do you think will bitch the loudest "Bush didn't do anything," once they have them? The verysame nimrods preventing us from using a little preemptive "diplomacy."

its not about domestic politics really. Bush has to make the call if it is feasable to attack the Iraninan nuclear sites while having troops in Iran
or if an embargo can do the job. The only options I see. He does not
run for reelection so he does not have to care what people think about it.
 
Fook yeah! I think we should carpet bomb them back to the Stone Age, hunt down and execute their leaders, invade and occupy their country, and then pay billions to Halliburton to rebuild the place.
And if a few thousand American soldiers die, wtf? Collateral damage and well worth the sacrifice to demolish another evil empire.
Then we need to go into Syria and do the same thing. :tank:
 
Gabriella84 said:
Fook yeah! I think we should carpet bomb them back to the Stone Age, hunt down and execute their leaders, invade and occupy their country, and then pay billions to Halliburton to rebuild the place.
And if a few thousand American soldiers die, wtf? Collateral damage and well worth the sacrifice to demolish another evil empire.
Then we need to go into Syria and do the same thing. :tank:

yoou need to calm down if you want to be taken seriously
Otherwise you just troll here and we ll ignore or ban you.
 
nosarcasm said:
its not about domestic politics really. Bush has to make the call if it is feasable to attack the Iraninan nuclear sites while having troops in Iran
or if an embargo can do the job. The only options I see. He does not
run for reelection so he does not have to care what people think about it.

I would disagree that it is not about domestic politics. It always is at some level.

The final decision to strike or not IS Bush's. Better military minds than his have had plans drawn up to do just that for years. But don't think for a minute domestic public reaction -- specifically from the left -- isn't factored into the decision.

An embargo would be pointless. France will deal with anyone they think they can exploit, and Russia with anyone carrying cash.

While Bush isn't running for reelection, there WILL be a Republican candidate. He DOES have to consider the ramifications of his actions as they would impact the next election.
 
True the domestic audience counts, but not running personally for reelection
Bush has more room to operate. In the end there is no easy solution
and whatever he decides on there will be bitching and moaning. Thats
politics and the job of the opposition.
 
Gabriella84 said:
Fook yeah! I think we should carpet bomb them back to the Stone Age, hunt down and execute their leaders, invade and occupy their country, and then pay billions to Halliburton to rebuild the place.
And if a few thousand American soldiers die, wtf? Collateral damage and well worth the sacrifice to demolish another evil empire.
Then we need to go into Syria and do the same thing. :tank:

What we need to do first is invade California and take it back from the kooks that obviously have found a haven there.
 
GunnyL said:
What we need to do first is invade California and take it back from the kooks that obviously have found a haven there.


:mm: all the upstanding californians flee to idaho and other neighboring
states while those asshole in LA declare it part of Mexico.

Though there is a difference between the north and South.

But I am not sure why you want SF back.
 
nosarcasm said:
:mm: all the upstanding californians flee to idaho and other neighboring
states while those asshole in LA declare it part of Mexico.

Though there is a difference between the north and South.

But I am not sure why you want SF back.

Want it back? Nah ....just them out.
 
What we need to do first is invade California and take it back from the kooks that obviously have found a haven there.

I totally agree with you there. Can you take out Ah-nold and the Cali Lege first?
 
Gabriella84 said:
I totally agree with you there. Can you take out Ah-nold and the Cali Lege first?

I was thinking more along the lines of pseudo-intellectual, leftist dweebs who are all about so-called freedom of speech if it agrees with them, and doing what's right if they think it's right, and generally just blindly following a self-centered, "I-me" ideology without giving any real thought to how stupid they look to rationally-thinking people.
 
GunnyL said:
I was thinking more along the lines of pseudo-intellectual, leftist dweebs who are all about so-called freedom of speech if it agrees with them, and doing what's right if they think it's right, and generally just blindly following a self-centered, "I-me" ideology without giving any real thought to how stupid they look to rationally-thinking people.

Good points Sarge. But you will need to find some rationally-thinking people to see if you are right.
 
Gabriella84 said:
Good points Sarge. But you will need to find some rationally-thinking people to see if you are right.

There are plenty of us. We just aren't running around tooting our own horns and badmouthing our own nation so you have to look.
 
Gabriella84 said:
Fook yeah! I think we should carpet bomb them back to the Stone Age, hunt down and execute their leaders, invade and occupy their country, and then pay billions to Halliburton to rebuild the place.
And if a few thousand American soldiers die, wtf? Collateral damage and well worth the sacrifice to demolish another evil empire.
Then we need to go into Syria and do the same thing. :tank:
Now yer talkin!
 

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