iran and the nuclear bomb

[BecauseIKnow]

Who gives a fuck, so does Pakistan have 100 nuclear bombs as well as israel

 

[irosie91]

Who gives a fuck, so does Pakistan have 100 nuclear bombs as well as israel

someone must "give a fuck" I see muslims giving a fuck often -----on the ground -----ass up No one I know really cares that pakistan has nuclear bombs it's almost a joke that such idiots burdened themselves with nuclear reactors

 

[BecauseIKnow]

Wtf this is old but I posted it in a other thread confused how it became my own thread

 

[agirnak]

Who gives a fuck, so does Pakistan have 100 nuclear bombs as well as israel

someone must "give a fuck" I see muslims giving a fuck often -----on the ground -----ass up No one I know really cares that pakistan has nuclear bombs it's almost a joke that such idiots burdened themselves with nuclear reactors

It sounds like a joke but I guess they would not have one if their rival India have not built one for themselves

 

[irosie91]

Who gives a fuck, so does Pakistan have 100 nuclear bombs as well as israel

someone must "give a fuck" I see muslims giving a fuck often -----on the ground -----ass up No one I know really cares that pakistan has nuclear bombs it's almost a joke that such idiots burdened themselves with nuclear reactors

It sounds like a joke but I guess they would not have one if their rival India have not built one for themselves

It is a status symbol in the UMMAH When I was a kid (long ago) there were some joked about about Saudi arabs living in the desert in tents without electricity hook up------tho owned air conditioners and washing machines etc etc----silly childish jokes Of all countries ---it seems to me that the least likely to be able to actually USE that thing---is Pakistan unless they use it in a military coup

 

[waltky]

US, Iran Agree to 1st Direct Nuclear Talks...

U.S. Officials Say Iran Has Agreed to Nuclear Talks
October 20, 2012 - But negotiations are fraught with election-year politics

The United States and Iran have agreed in principle for the first time to one-on-one negotiations over Iran’s nuclear program, according to Obama administration officials, setting the stage for what could be a last-ditch diplomatic effort to avert a military strike on Iran. Iranian officials have insisted that the talks wait until after the presidential election, a senior administration official said, telling their American counterparts that they want to know with whom they would be negotiating.

News of the agreement — a result of intense, secret exchanges between American and Iranian officials that date almost to the beginning of President Obama’s term — comes at a critical moment in the presidential contest, just two weeks before Election Day and the weekend before the final debate, which is to focus on national security and foreign policy. It has the potential to help Mr. Obama make the case that he is nearing a diplomatic breakthrough in the decade-long effort by the world’s major powers to curb Tehran’s nuclear ambitions, but it could pose a risk if Iran is seen as using the prospect of the direct talks to buy time.

It is also far from clear that Mr. Obama’s opponent, Mitt Romney, would go through with the negotiation should he win election. Mr. Romney has repeatedly criticized the president as showing weakness on Iran and failing to stand firmly with Israel against the Iranian nuclear threat. The White House denied that a final agreement had been reached. “It’s not true that the United States and Iran have agreed to one-on-one talks or any meeting after the American elections,” Tommy Vietor, a White House spokesman, said Saturday evening. He added, however, that the administration was open to such talks, and has “said from the outset that we would be prepared to meet bilaterally.”

Reports of the agreement have circulated among a small group of diplomats involved with Iran. There is still a chance the initiative could fall through, even if Mr. Obama is re-elected. Iran has a history of using the promise of diplomacy to ease international pressure on it. In this case, American officials said they were uncertain whether Iran’s supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, had signed off on the effort. The American understandings have been reached with senior Iranian officials who report to him, an administration official said.

Even if the two sides sit down, American officials worry that Iran could prolong the negotiations to try to forestall military action and enable it to complete critical elements of its nuclear program, particularly at underground sites. Some American officials would like to limit the talks to Iran’s nuclear program, one official said, while Iran has indicated that it wants to broaden the agenda to include Syria, Bahrain and other issues that have bedeviled relations between Iran and the United States since the American hostage crisis in 1979. “We’ve always seen the nuclear issue as independent,” the administration official said, speaking on the condition of anonymity because of the delicacy of the matter. “We’re not going to allow them to draw a linkage.”

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Iran denies report of plans for nuclear talks with US
Sun Oct 21, 2012 - Iran denied on Sunday a report in a U.S. newspaper that it had plans for direct talks with the United States over its disputed nuclear program.

The New York Times reported, citing Obama administration officials, that the United States and Iran had agreed in principle to one-on-one negotiations on Iran's nuclear program, though the White House quickly denied the report.

"We don't have any discussions or negotiations with America," Iranian Foreign Minister Ali Akbar Salehi said in a news conference on Sunday. "The (nuclear) talks are ongoing with the P5+1 group of nations. Other than that, we have no discussions with the United States."

Several rounds of talks this year between Iran and world powers, dubbed the P5+1, have failed to yield a breakthrough.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/10/21/us-iran-nuclear-usa-idUSBRE89K05N20121021

 

[waltky]

Uncle Ferd says dey prob'ly got an agreement in place - dey just don't wanna say anythin' yet till dey got the harem girls worked out fer the Secret Service...

White House Denies Agreement for Iran Talks
October 20, 2012 - The White House is denying a New York Times report that the United States and Iran have agreed to one-on-one talks for the first time on Iran's nuclear program.

A White House spokesman said late Saturday that the United States will continue to work with its fellow members of the United Nations Security Council and Germany on a diplomatic solution. The spokesman said President Barack Obama has made it clear that he will do what he must to prevent Iran from getting a nuclear weapon.

The newspaper, citing unnamed Obama administration officials, says the U.S. and Iran have been holding intense secret exchanges almost since Barack Obama became president in 2009.

The officials say Iran wants to wait until after the November U.S. presidential election to see with whom it would be negotiating, a second Obama administration or one under the Republican Mitt Romney, who has accused Obama of being too soft on Iran.

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[waltky]

Diplomacy with Iran has been going on 3 years now & still no agreement...

Obama Administration’s ‘Window’ With Iran Has Been Closing for More Than Three Years
October 30, 2012 – Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said Tuesday that the “window” of opportunity to resolve the Iranian nuclear standoff diplomatically “cannot remain open indefinitely.” She was reiterating a warning that the Obama administration has repeated dozens of times over the past three years.

“Our message to Iran is clear,” Clinton said alongside European Union foreign policy chief Cathy Ashton in Sarajevo. “The window remains open to resolve the international community’s concerns about your nuclear program diplomatically and to relieve your isolation, but that window cannot remain open indefinitely.” Two talking points that have characterized the administration’s statements regarding Iran’s nuclear activities refer to the closing “window,” and the assertion that time and U.S. patience are “not unlimited.” Since President Obama more than three years ago advised Tehran that “our patience is not unlimited” and Clinton declared that “the opportunity will not remain open indefinitely” and warned “we are not going to keep the window open forever,” they and other administration officials have repeated the two phrases multiple times.

Meanwhile Iran has increased its stockpile of low-enriched uranium (LEU) more than eight-fold, according to the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA). Two months before Obama took office in January 2009, the IAEA said it verified a LEU supply of 839 kilograms. By September 2009, that had grown by 591 kilograms, for a total of 1,430 kilograms. In its most recent report, early last month, the IAEA said Iran’s LEU holdings have now reached 6,876 kilograms. The Washington-based Institute for Science and International Security says that 6,876 kilograms of LEU, “if further enriched to weapon grade, is enough to make over six nuclear weapons.” “We are now running out of time with respect to that [diplomatic] approach,” Obama said in Singapore on November 15, 2009, and a State Department spokesman added two weeks later, “The president has said that our patience is not unlimited.”

Fast forward more than two years, and White House Press Secretary Jay Carney, asked at a February 28 briefing when the window with Iran would close, said he would not give “a specific date.” “[W]e believe there is time and space to pursue a diplomatic path, a path that intensifies the sanctions, intensifies the isolation, and attempts, through unified international action, to get the Iranian regime to change its behavior,” he said. At a March 6 press conference, Obama said, “At this stage, it is my belief that we have a window of opportunity where this can still be resolved diplomatically. That’s not just my view. That’s the view of our top intelligence officials; It’s the view of top Israeli intelligence officials.”

A week later, Obama said alongside British Prime Minister David Cameron that “the window for solving this issue diplomatically is shrinking.” The message was repeated on March 26 by deputy national security advisor Ben Rhodes, briefing reporters in South Korea: “We made clear that there is time and space for diplomacy, but people also have to understand that that time is not unlimited.”

‘The clock is ticking’

 

[BecauseIKnow]

I doubt it.

It's just a pr move because some Americans are too ignorant and think Iran attacked us.

I swear the other day a guy was telling me Iran attacked us in the Gulf.

I almost smacked that dumbass.

 

[waltky]

If Iran isn't working toward a nuclear bomb, then why do they need more than 20% enrichment?...

Iran ready to ramp up nuke program
Nov 15,`12 -- Iran is on the threshold of being able to create weapons-grade uranium at a plant it has heavily fortified against Israeli attack, diplomats told The Associated Press on Thursday, calling into question an Israeli claim that Iran had slowed its nuclear time table.

One of three diplomats who discussed the issue said Iran was now technically ready within days to ramp up its production of 20 percent enriched uranium at its Fordo facility by nearly 700 centrifuges. That would double present output, and cut in half the time it would take to acquire enough of the substance needed to make a nuclear weapon, reducing it to just over three months. Such a move would raise the stakes for Israel, which has said it believes the world has until next summer to stop Iran before it can get nuclear material and implied it would have time to decide whether to strike Fordo and other Iranian nuclear facilities.

The two other diplomats who spoke to the AP could not confirm the 700 number. But both agreed that Tehran over the past few months had put a sizeable number of centrifuges at Fordo under vacuum. It takes only a few days to begin enrichment with machines that are under vacuum. While experts agree that the Islamic Republic could assemble enough weapons-grade uranium to arm a nuclear weapon relatively quickly, they point out that this is only one of a series of steps need to create a working weapon. They say that Tehran is believed to be years away from mastering the technology to manufacture a fully operational warhead.

All three diplomats are from member nations of the IAEA, which is scheduled to release its latest report on Iran's nuclear program as early as Friday. They demanded anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss restricted information with reporters. Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak's assertion earlier this month that Iran has "essentially delayed their arrival at the red line by eight months," is in line with the timeframe laid out by Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in September, when he spoke at the U.N. General Assembly. IAEA officials said they would have no comment. A phone call to Ali Asghar Soltanieh, Iran's IAEA representative, went to voice mail.

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Putting a price on war with Iran
November 15th, 2012 : An all-out U.S. war with Iran, including an invasion by American troops, would cost the global economy close to $2 trillion in the first three months and could go as high as $3 trillion, according to a Washington think tank.

A full-scale ground operation to dismantle Iran's nuclear program is unlikely but the scenario is just one of a handful that a group of nine experts, assembled by the Federation of American Scientists, examined to explore how the global economy would be impacted by U.S. action against Iran. "There had been talks about oil spikes, about what would happen with the Iranian nuclear program, damage to Iran itself but there had been no, at least in the open sources, large-scale looks at what was going to happen globally," said Charles Blair who co-authored the report.

Here is the group's breakdown on various scenarios: Note that all costs are median estimates for the first three months of any action. Costs projected longer than that involved too many variables, according to the group, and would be inaccurate to report.

More sanctions

The U.S. increases the financial pressure on Iran by imposing a new round of sanctions that penalizes any foreign bank that does business with any Iranian bank. Current sanctions only apply to large transactions related to Iran's energy sector. The sanctions would "seek to cleave Iran's entire energy sector from the world economy," according to the report. The new round of sanctions would also limit international lending, depleting Iran's foreign currency reserves.
Estimated Global Cost: $64 billion

Blockade

Even though Iran's economy is severely hurt by sanctions, a diplomatic agreement is not on the horizon. The United States aims to "cut off" Iran by blocking all of its oil, natural gas, energy equipment and services. A substantial amount of U.S. military assets are deployed to the Persian Gulf to enforce the shipping blockade. A worldwide ban is imposed on investments in Iran's energy sector. International lending to Iran and investment in Iranian bonds are also banned. Estimated Global Cost: $325 billion

Targeted Strikes

 

[Kurdistani4ever]

Iran is the ultimate terror state, and the regime is doomed to go down after Syria.

 

[Moonglow]

I ran and the US has a long fued going on. Pakistan acts decently, Iran belligerant. nuff said.

 

[waltky]

Granny says, "Yea, right - an' pigs fly...

Why is Iran's nuclear stockpile growing?
November 27, 2012 - An increase in Iran's higher-grade uranium stockpile is worrying but may arise from a bottleneck in making reactor fuel as opposed to accumulating material for nuclear weapons.

An increase in Iran's higher-grade uranium stockpile is worrying but may arise from a bottleneck in making reactor fuel rather than a bid to quickly accumulate material that could be used for nuclear weapons, diplomats and experts say. The issue of when and how fast Iran might be able to build an atomic bomb if it chose to do so is closely watched in the West because it could determine any decision by Israel to launch pre-emptive strikes against the Islamic Republic. Tehran's move this year to use a big part of its most sensitive material - which could otherwise be turned into bomb-grade uranium - for civilian fuel purposes helped ease intense speculation of an imminent attack by the Jewish state.

But tension may soon flare again if Iran's holding were to rapidly approach an amount that would be enough for a weapon, either by stepping up output of higher-enriched uranium or by no longer using the material to produce reactor fuel, or both. "The question is, at what point do they cross the critical point ... when we enter the danger zone?" one senior diplomatic source said. "Will they decide to voluntarily decide to stay clear of that point?" A U.N. nuclear watchdog report issued this month showed that Iran in late September suddenly stopped converting uranium gas enriched to a fissile concentration of 20 percent into oxide powder to make fuel for a medical research reactor in Tehran.

Because Iran's enrichment work at the same time continued unabated, the halt meant that its stockpile of the higher-grade uranium rose by nearly 50 percent to 135 kg in November compared with the level in the previous quarterly report in August. "It is very puzzling," said one intelligence official from a country which suspects Iran is seeking to develop a nuclear weapons capability, a charge Tehran denies, about the finding reported by the U.N. International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA). It could be because of a technical malfunction or a "test balloon" to see how the West would react, the official added.

It took Iran a significant step closer to the amount of roughly 250 kg seen as sufficient for one atomic bomb if refined further, which Israel has signaled is a "red line" for Iran's nuclear program that may be reached by mid-2013. "By the late spring, at this pace, Iran will have more than enough to arm its first weapon," said Emanuele Ottolenghi of the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies, a think-tank which has advised the U.S. government on sanctions against Iran. But some Western diplomats and analysts believe Iran may have let its stockpile grow for reasons related to the fuel manufacturing process, and that it could at some point re-start conversion of uranium gas. "I think it is a technical issue," one envoy said.

Producing reactor fuel involves several steps. First, the enriched uranium must be converted into oxide powder, then it is turned into fuel plates, and this could help explain the halt in feeding more of the gas into production process. "It is probably because it is easier and quicker to make the conversion to oxide than to produce the fuel elements," Mark Fitzpatrick, a nuclear proliferation expert at the International Institute for Strategic Studies think-tank, said. Fitzpatrick said he believed it was "more of a bottleneck" issue, adding: "It is alarming because it brings the 20 percent stockpile closer to a weapons amount. But it is not alarming in the sense that this was a strategic decision on Iran's part."

Danger zone?

 

[waltky]

Granny says dey keep foolin' around with Iran long enough an' dey'll develop dat bomb dey workin on...

Iran Is Said to Convert Enriched Uranium to Reactor Fuel
February 12, 2013 — As it prepares for two sets of negotiations with outsiders on its disputed nuclear program, Iran said on Tuesday that it was converting some of its enriched uranium into reactor fuel, the state news agency IRNA reported, potentially limiting the expansion of stockpiles that the West fears could be used for weapons.

Iranian officials are to meet on Wednesday in Tehran with Herman Nackaerts, the deputy director of the International Atomic Energy Agency, the United Nations nuclear watchdog, who has been pressing for access to a restricted military area at Parchin, 20 miles south of Tehran. International inspectors suspect that the site may have been used for testing bomb triggers. Later this month, Iranian negotiators are to meet in Kazakhstan with representatives of six powers — the United States, China, Russia, Britain, France and Germany — for a further round in a series of long-running and inconclusive talks about curbing Tehran’s uranium enrichment program.

Western countries suspect that the Iranian government is seeking to acquire the technology to make nuclear weapons despite its assertion that the program is for peaceful purposes like the creation of reactor fuel for civilian use. At a news conference on Tuesday in Tehran, Ramin Mehmanparast, the Foreign Ministry spokesman, was asked to comment on a news report that Iranian scientists had converted some uranium enriched to 20 percent purity into fuel for a research reactor in Tehran. The spokesman said that the “work is being done” and that details had been sent to the I.A.E.A., which is based in Vienna. Iran’s nuclear program came under added scrutiny on Tuesday after North Korea conducted its third nuclear test, since many intelligence officials believe that the two countries share nuclear knowledge, though so far there is no hard evidence to substantiate that belief.

Reuters quoted Mr. Mehmanparast as saying, “We think we need to come to a point where no country will have any nuclear weapons.” While all countries should be allowed to use nuclear technology for peaceful purposes, he said, “all weapons of mass destruction and nuclear arms need to be destroyed.” Iran’s stockpile of enriched uranium is believed by Western negotiators and international inspectors to be of far lower purity than is required to make nuclear weapons. But, diplomats in Vienna said on Tuesday, enriched uranium converted into reactor fuel is difficult to convert into fuel for weapons. Some analysts argue that, by slowing the growth of its stockpile, Tehran could delay the moment when it acquires sufficient 20 percent enriched uranium to set off a response by Israel, which has signaled readiness to attack Iran’s nuclear sites.

The likely outcomes of the forthcoming sets of negotiations remain unclear. Mr. Mehmanparast, the Iranian spokesman, said the talks with the I.A.E.A. team in Tehran on Wednesday had “bright” prospects if the I.A.E.A. negotiators recognized Iran’s rights, IRNA said. But Yukiya Amano, the director general of the I.A.E.A., said Monday that “the outlook is not bright” for obtaining permission to visit the Parchin site. Mr. Amano’s remarks contrasted with a more optimistic tone from the agency less than a month ago, when his deputy, Mr. Nackaerts, expressed hope that the negotiations would lead to an agreement on an inspection plan.

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[BecauseIKnow]

Who's this 'granny'? LOL

 

[waltky]

Granny be old an' wise...

... she part Indian, part Cajun...

... with a dash o' alligator thrown in...

... she don't put up with no lib'ral hooey...

... an' if ya don't agree with what she got to say...

... well dat just proves ya don't know what ya talkin' `bout.