IRAN and nukes, fantasy or reality?

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    The warmdrums that are beating to whip the American public into a bloodlust frenzy to go after the crazy mullahs of Iran are gaining momentum.

    A lot of critics compare the current status of affairs with the months before the invasion of Iraq - all this talk about WMD that were never found, but then shipped to Syria of course, because that would make sense.
    No need to search for them there, though.

    The goal of the operation was changing by the day, flip-flopping all over the place, from protecting the world from an imminent attack with WMDs delivered by terrorists, provided by Saddam and his yellow cake from Niger - which turned out to be forged documents - all the way up to the humanitarian mission, the bringing of democracy and peace at gunpoint, to the final smoking gun: Saddam is evil.

    Oh, yes, one would almost forget, standing in the forest of lies.

    Then there was the crawling gimp Colon Powell at the UN holding up a vial of powdered sugar while he presents his poorly executed powerpoint complete with photoshopped pictures of badly drawn lego trucks....it was a sight to behold. It was a sight the world will not forget any time soon.

    As for most long time allies of the United States, that was about the last straw in diplomatic terms. Enough incompetence already. But for the Bush administration, the arrogance had merely swelled after Powell's priceless performance. Blinded by their own arrogance, soon "mission accomplished" was declared. The prelude had ended, the war would commence.

    So now, a few quagmires later, Afghanistan - a continuing hell hole, nothing much changed there, other than the poppy trade which is in full gear - and Iraq - a country full of sandniggers that don't know when they've been liberated even if you shoot them in the face with the glock of democracy - we're at the brink of another war of agression. Target: IRAN.

    The rest of the world seems to have anticipated such a bold move by the Bush administration for a while. Instead of Iraq - which had no notable allies to speak of since no country would openly state they supported Saddam - Iran is doing quite well: the Chinese have closed the deal of the century as it is referred to in Asian newspapers, and will invest 200 billion dollars in Iran's infrastructure, and in return Iran will provide them with cheap fuel for the next two decades or so. As a catch, under the Chinese constitution, any move that deprives them of their recources (read: Iranian oil) is considered an act of war.

    The Russians under semi-dictator Putin have also drawn the lines in the sand.
    The tragedy in Beslan, where schoolchildren were being held hostage by Chechen rebels, were mostly killed in the process of slaughtering the terrorists. Because Russia does not negotiate with terrorists, either.

    Russia and China have grown comfortably close as of late, and they seem to be setting up for a big hug with the South American continent. That is where currently democratic revolutions are taking place, and socialist leaders are being elected - already in Venezuela and Bolivia, more to follow soon.

    All in all, enough interests are at stake for Russia and China to seriously consider a counter move - they have been practicing joint venture military operations about a year ago. Russian nuclear subs, their newest MiGs, Chinese groundpersonnel and whatnot, have been practicing an invasion by beaching a target area. They're ready at least.

    So what about the nukes of Iran? Is it just as much bullshit as the forest of lies that was spun around the invasion of Iraq? America may just as well invade Syria, if that is where the Iranian nukes will be.

    No, not this time. This time, it's for real.
    And Iran would be very wise to start producing them, because that would deter the Bush administration's agressive policies a lot more than diplomacy or harsh talk.

    Iran is known to posess a critical document, which holds all the data needed to build a nuclear warhead, complete with diagrams and instructions for every step of the way. But how did they get this document?

    Well, from the Americans of course. They supplied Iran with the document - albeit a faked one, because they had changed some numbers, so it wouldn't work. But an American handing the document to an Iranian official would rouse supsicions. Thus America hired a Russian spy to carry out the job.
    The Russian spy in question was an ex nuclear scientist, and as he flipped through the document, he spotted the errors.

    Upon delivery, he pointed these out to the Iranians, as a gesture of goodwill.

    It sounds like a hollywood scenario, yet it is global politics.
    So yes, Iran has the means to build a nuke, it was provided to them in your name, the American people.
     
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    Assuming there is concrete proof that all you allege is true(you do have proof don't you?) I am convinced. The rest of the world needs to get together and invade the US which will enable the regime change so badly needed here. Obviously, Collin Powell needs to be captured and killed for his actions at the UN and surely Bush and company should tried, found guilty and executed. The US citezenry should be made to pay for their sins as well; thus, once the successful invasion of the US is completed, the US populace shall be made to work 24/7 with the larger portion of their wages given to the rest of the world's population as a humanitarian compensation for their evil ways. It follows that the EU, China and Russia can then spread their kinder, gentler philosophies around the globe and everyone will live in peaceful harmony.

    Harma, are you sure you are not something more than an arrogant European? Muslim perhaps?
     
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    CSM, as you know from my previous posts I do not merely despise the current US government. Although I do think they should be tried for war crimes and consequently executed, in the same manner that Hitler’s SS staff was brought to justice at the Nuremberg trials.

    But from the oil for food program we have learned that all governments are corrupt, some just more corrupt than others. And corrupt governments should also be brought to justice, but crimes of corruption rank less than crimes that rise from a war of aggression.

    As for the Muslim extremists, or Christian extremists, I despise them as well.
    The question of who started what and when is impossible to resolve, since religious fanatics have waged wars upon other religious fanatics since the dawn of religion. Whether they were Christians or Muslims, you don’t get to be the world’s leading religion by being forgiving towards your fellow men.

    I am European though.
    And as you may have noticed, I have not mentioned a single European nation in the thread start. That is because, as all this is happening, Europe remains divided, and is trying to keep to the middle ground as the global conflict evolves.

    Europe is hugging the Americans on the one hand (we’re long time allies after all, you’re kind of like our children  ) ; but on the other hand, Europe does not approve of the aggressive course the Bush administration has taken. Although it differs next to nothing from previous administration’s courses, be it democrat or republican, this one is merely particularly harsh.

    As you may remember, under Clinton’s reign, the only factory on the continent of Africa to produce medicine was bombed to smithereens, because it was suspected to be a secret weapons lab – so much for Africa’s already limited medicine supplies.

    At the moment, genocide is happening in that same country, Sudan.
    Yet the west, be it America or Europe, or the rest of the world for that matter, does not give a shit. Because the Sudanese are the lepers from Jesus’ age, and thus we can all ignore them and their pleas.

    That is why I despise most religious people, so full of their high and mighty crap, telling me how to live my life in blind ignorance and religious zeal, instead of critical thought and curiousness. Hypocrites and moneychangers telling me I only need to accept Jesus to get away with all the selfish greed I can imagine – because he already died for my sins which I am bound to commit.

    Sorry, I don’t play that game.

    I don’t care whether Iran has a nuclear weapon or not. Nobody cared when Pakistan and India joined the club, why bother now? Yes, more nukes means more danger, but Iran’s one or two or a few dozen nukes are nothing compared to the world’s stockpiles.
    Let them have nukes if it makes them feel safe.

    Then we would be forced to treat them with respect, as equal human beings.
    That prospect is very hard to imagine for hard-line Jesus or Mohammed lovers though.

    P.S.:
    No, the UN should not invade the USA and incorporate you into the New World Order. But you should realize that your country has been hijacked by extremists, the people that have been up to their armpits in the Iran Contra affair under Reagan, the people behind team B, the alternative CIA that set up a smear campaign against the Soviets during the Cold War, and on and on.

    These people have merely replaced “Communists” with “Islamo-fascists” or whatever, to push the same agenda forward. This is the protection of America’s greatest industry: the military industrial complex. Your country needs war to sustain its economy. That is why you fight as a nation.
     
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    which europen country do you call home?
     
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    The nice thing about being a US citizen is you can say or believe pretty much anything you want to.

    As for how the US is being run or its foreign policy, etc. I believe that is up to the US citizens to decide. Personally, I could care less what Europeans, Africans, or anyone else for that matter think about it. If others don't like US policy or even how it is run internally, then don't come here, don't trade with us and and keep your tourists and immigrants at home. If they don't want "wars of aggression" they should not advocate the destruction of the United States or fly planes into our buildings. That kind of pisses us off.

    As for the Sudan and all other places like it I notice how great the UN and the Europeans are at solving those problems. In my opinion, the Iran situation should be left up to other nations (not the US) since they are so good at solving the worlds problems but I cannot help but notice that Europe, Russia, China and anyone else you care to name has not done a damn thing in the Sudan, didn't do a damn thing in Kosovo or Bosnia or Somalia or South Africa. In retropect, I am beginning to believe that Europe actually LIKES the US cleaning up nasty little situations for them.

    As for the US being hijacked, maybe you should realize that most European countries have been hijacked by socialist appeasers (worked well against the Germans for your country, eh?) and is slowly being conquered by the "peaceful" Islamic ideology ... good luck to you all with that!
     
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    One more thing Harma. The US did not blow up the ONLY factory in Africa that produces drugs. There are many still standing there (LaGray Chemical, Nile Pharmaceutical, Aspen Pharmacare, Enaleni, MagPharm and Sanofo-Synthelabo are a few) which a short Google search will quickly reveal. You are either being deliberately dishonest to make your point or you are not as well informed as you think you are.
     
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    a liar and a us hater....i guess he is from england...probably a northerner
     
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    Actually, I think he is Dutch.
     
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    the dutch...now there is a group of selfrighteous folks...used to be a world power.....all of indonease is a mess to this day cuz of them...south africa as well etc...and their general appraoch to life is there is the dutch way and all the other wrong ways to do things....they still don't understand why their static boooooooooring footballing style can not win a world cup....angry group of people...pretty sure it is the orange thing
     
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    Harma reasonably good at presenting his point most of the time but every once in a while he goes off on a tear. That is when I really like to bust his chops.
     

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