Iowa corn farmers feel heat over waning support for Ethanol

[Moonglow]

You can thank the 2005 Energy Policy passed by Boosh, which called for mandates of alternative fuels...

I don't give a shit which POTUS supported this..
That isn't the point.
Now, if you'd like to open the debate, feel free.

Surely you jest....

 

[Wyatt earp]

You might want to add these to your debate:

Five Ethanol Myths Busted WIRED

thanks for your link it got me to study more about it, growing up in the Midwest I always wondered why we grew so much corn.

But your link is wrong when it says only 1% grown is for human consumption , it borders on propaganda I would rather trust Forbes and This article from Scientific American

It s Time to Rethink America s Corn System - Scientific American

 

[thereisnospoon]

News-Talk 1110 WBT News Latest US proposal for ethanol could have political fallout
It seems even the far left Obama admin is not properly kneeling before kissing Iowa farmers pinkie rings..
These subsidies have to be ended. Most of the cash goes to huge corporate farms anyway.
You libs want to bitch about corporate welfare, well the corn subsidy is one for your target practice.
Not only does Ethanol not save anyone a dime at the pump, it causes premature deterioration of engines and fuel systems. It also reduces fuel economy.
Any alleged reduction in pollution given off by straight gasoline is offset by the higher fuel consumption( in the tenths of miles per gallon) which cause more fuel to be burned. It also results in more visits to the repair shops.
Also, the corn subsidy has driven food prices to levels that cause certain food items such as beef and poultry to become very expensive.
Yet, through all this, no presidential candidate will make it through the Iowa Caucuses if he or she does not state they unconditionally support the corn subsidy

Go ask a republican in an ethanol district what they think of ending ethanol subsidies.

This issue is bi partisan.
Don't trip all over yourself running to your keyboard because you believe you have a "gotcha" idea.

 

[thereisnospoon]

News-Talk 1110 WBT News Latest US proposal for ethanol could have political fallout
It seems even the far left Obama admin is not properly kneeling before kissing Iowa farmers pinkie rings..
These subsidies have to be ended. Most of the cash goes to huge corporate farms anyway.
You libs want to bitch about corporate welfare, well the corn subsidy is one for your target practice.
Not only does Ethanol not save anyone a dime at the pump, it causes premature deterioration of engines and fuel systems. It also reduces fuel economy.
Any alleged reduction in pollution given off by straight gasoline is offset by the higher fuel consumption( in the tenths of miles per gallon) which cause more fuel to be burned. It also results in more visits to the repair shops.
Also, the corn subsidy has driven food prices to levels that cause certain food items such as beef and poultry to become very expensive.
Yet, through all this, no presidential candidate will make it through the Iowa Caucuses if he or she does not state they unconditionally support the corn subsidy

Go ask a republican in an ethanol district what they think of ending ethanol subsidies.

Agreed. There's only one thing that transcends politics in this country, and it's the ass-fucking farmer.

The farming industry's a joke.

Of course it is...The typical mid western voter and of course their pandering politicians present the image of the "American family farmer who's been toiling on his land going back 4 generations"....That's crap....The fact is most food production is handled by large corporately owned farms.
The Corn for Ethanol subsidy is perhaps the most blatant of all examples of corp welfare. And when one gets down to brass tacks, even though they scream "CEO" Wall Street". "Profits" and of course Corporate Welfare"....In Iowa and other faming states, this corp welfare is a no touch, non negotiable issue.
ANY politician particularly a candidate for POTUS that has in their platform even so much as a reduction in annual increases on the farm subsidy is a "dead man/woman walking"

 

[thereisnospoon]

News-Talk 1110 WBT News Latest US proposal for ethanol could have political fallout
It seems even the far left Obama admin is not properly kneeling before kissing Iowa farmers pinkie rings..
These subsidies have to be ended. Most of the cash goes to huge corporate farms anyway.
You libs want to bitch about corporate welfare, well the corn subsidy is one for your target practice.
Not only does Ethanol not save anyone a dime at the pump, it causes premature deterioration of engines and fuel systems. It also reduces fuel economy.
Any alleged reduction in pollution given off by straight gasoline is offset by the higher fuel consumption( in the tenths of miles per gallon) which cause more fuel to be burned. It also results in more visits to the repair shops.
Also, the corn subsidy has driven food prices to levels that cause certain food items such as beef and poultry to become very expensive.
Yet, through all this, no presidential candidate will make it through the Iowa Caucuses if he or she does not state they unconditionally support the corn subsidy

Go ask a republican in an ethanol district what they think of ending ethanol subsidies.

Why should we care what he thinks? Do you?

I meant a republican congressman. Go call them up and ask them their stance.

Again....This is a bipartisan issue.

 

[thereisnospoon]

You might want to add these to your debate:

Five Ethanol Myths Busted WIRED

Without footnotes sourcing the claims in the link you provided, it is merely an opinion piece.

 

[TheOldSchool]

News-Talk 1110 WBT News Latest US proposal for ethanol could have political fallout
It seems even the far left Obama admin is not properly kneeling before kissing Iowa farmers pinkie rings..
These subsidies have to be ended. Most of the cash goes to huge corporate farms anyway.
You libs want to bitch about corporate welfare, well the corn subsidy is one for your target practice.
Not only does Ethanol not save anyone a dime at the pump, it causes premature deterioration of engines and fuel systems. It also reduces fuel economy.
Any alleged reduction in pollution given off by straight gasoline is offset by the higher fuel consumption( in the tenths of miles per gallon) which cause more fuel to be burned. It also results in more visits to the repair shops.
Also, the corn subsidy has driven food prices to levels that cause certain food items such as beef and poultry to become very expensive.
Yet, through all this, no presidential candidate will make it through the Iowa Caucuses if he or she does not state they unconditionally support the corn subsidy

Go ask a republican in an ethanol district what they think of ending ethanol subsidies.

Why should we care what he thinks? Do you?

I meant a republican congressman. Go call them up and ask them their stance.

Again....This is a bipartisan issue.

Tell that to Bripat

 

[thereisnospoon]

News-Talk 1110 WBT News Latest US proposal for ethanol could have political fallout
It seems even the far left Obama admin is not properly kneeling before kissing Iowa farmers pinkie rings..
These subsidies have to be ended. Most of the cash goes to huge corporate farms anyway.
You libs want to bitch about corporate welfare, well the corn subsidy is one for your target practice.
Not only does Ethanol not save anyone a dime at the pump, it causes premature deterioration of engines and fuel systems. It also reduces fuel economy.
Any alleged reduction in pollution given off by straight gasoline is offset by the higher fuel consumption( in the tenths of miles per gallon) which cause more fuel to be burned. It also results in more visits to the repair shops.
Also, the corn subsidy has driven food prices to levels that cause certain food items such as beef and poultry to become very expensive.
Yet, through all this, no presidential candidate will make it through the Iowa Caucuses if he or she does not state they unconditionally support the corn subsidy

Go ask a republican in an ethanol district what they think of ending ethanol subsidies.

Why should we care what he thinks? Do you?

I meant a republican congressman. Go call them up and ask them their stance.

Again....This is a bipartisan issue.

Tell that to Bripat

You tell bripat...
I've made my points clear.

 

[pwjohn]

News-Talk 1110 WBT News Latest US proposal for ethanol could have political fallout
It seems even the far left Obama admin is not properly kneeling before kissing Iowa farmers pinkie rings..
These subsidies have to be ended. Most of the cash goes to huge corporate farms anyway.
You libs want to bitch about corporate welfare, well the corn subsidy is one for your target practice.
Not only does Ethanol not save anyone a dime at the pump, it causes premature deterioration of engines and fuel systems. It also reduces fuel economy.
Any alleged reduction in pollution given off by straight gasoline is offset by the higher fuel consumption( in the tenths of miles per gallon) which cause more fuel to be burned. It also results in more visits to the repair shops.
Also, the corn subsidy has driven food prices to levels that cause certain food items such as beef and poultry to become very expensive.
Yet, through all this, no presidential candidate will make it through the Iowa Caucuses if he or she does not state they unconditionally support the corn subsidy

Good. I say it's long past time to shitcan life long welfare addicts and we should start with these fuckers.

How dare they turn food into fuel.

 

[tyroneweaver]

News-Talk 1110 WBT News Latest US proposal for ethanol could have political fallout
It seems even the far left Obama admin is not properly kneeling before kissing Iowa farmers pinkie rings..
These subsidies have to be ended. Most of the cash goes to huge corporate farms anyway.
You libs want to bitch about corporate welfare, well the corn subsidy is one for your target practice.
Not only does Ethanol not save anyone a dime at the pump, it causes premature deterioration of engines and fuel systems. It also reduces fuel economy.
Any alleged reduction in pollution given off by straight gasoline is offset by the higher fuel consumption( in the tenths of miles per gallon) which cause more fuel to be burned. It also results in more visits to the repair shops.
Also, the corn subsidy has driven food prices to levels that cause certain food items such as beef and poultry to become very expensive.
Yet, through all this, no presidential candidate will make it through the Iowa Caucuses if he or she does not state they unconditionally support the corn subsidy

Go ask a republican in an ethanol district what they think of ending ethanol subsidies.

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i Live a couple a miles from an ethanol plant. The dem farmers really support this deal too
ethanol is a good ace in the hole, but as far as being government subsidized, forget that.

 

[TheOldSchool]

News-Talk 1110 WBT News Latest US proposal for ethanol could have political fallout
It seems even the far left Obama admin is not properly kneeling before kissing Iowa farmers pinkie rings..
These subsidies have to be ended. Most of the cash goes to huge corporate farms anyway.
You libs want to bitch about corporate welfare, well the corn subsidy is one for your target practice.
Not only does Ethanol not save anyone a dime at the pump, it causes premature deterioration of engines and fuel systems. It also reduces fuel economy.
Any alleged reduction in pollution given off by straight gasoline is offset by the higher fuel consumption( in the tenths of miles per gallon) which cause more fuel to be burned. It also results in more visits to the repair shops.
Also, the corn subsidy has driven food prices to levels that cause certain food items such as beef and poultry to become very expensive.
Yet, through all this, no presidential candidate will make it through the Iowa Caucuses if he or she does not state they unconditionally support the corn subsidy

Go ask a republican in an ethanol district what they think of ending ethanol subsidies.

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i Live a couple a miles from an ethanol plant. The dem farmers really support this deal too
ethanol is a good ace in the hole, but as far as being government subsidized, forget that.

Everyone supports it. Liberals, Democrats, conservatives, republicans... and it's a disaster for everyone.

 

[Mr. H.]

Ethanol plants require massive, and I mean ass-massive, amounts of...

a) Electricity
b) Natural Gas
c) Water
d) Sewage stream

And guess what? Ethanol plants EMIT massive amounts of... Co2,

Fuck... the ass-fucking farmer.