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They can avoid all of those trappings, by sticking the House version onto another, already passed, bill. Sorry I wasn't as clear as I should have been on that.The Senate bill does not have these provisions, that is correct.If memory serves, the linked article said that the Senate did not have this in their bill. So this means some major, drag out fighting over it in conference and the Senate usually wins that battle because they have less room for wiggle with the filibuster available, if they want a bill to pass both houses.
What will happen is, the Senate will pass a version, then the two versions will be combined behind closed doors and either given to the President to sign, or will be attached to an appropriations bill he will have to sign.
There's always a work-around.
But you are missing a STEP in your speculation, once the bill comes out of conference, BOTH the Senate and the House have to vote on it again, with the compromises made in Conference? BEFORE the bill can go to the President to sign.... the Fat lady does not sing, until then Mid.
So, that is why i believe the Senate will have more pull on the conferenced bill...
No, that's much too simplistic.Party before Country? How could a Democrat vote in favor of this disastrous Socialist Nightmare? Is it all about Party before Country for them? I guess John McCain really was on to something there. Pretty sad stuff.
Few people see the irony of the jail thing. Because in federal prison especially, it's very expensive to house, clothe, feed -- and yes provide comprehensive medical care -- to inmates. On the order of $40,000 annually per inmate.
how many people do we jail a year for tax evasion?
this will be no different....people will pay their taxes, cut a deal with the irs for a lesser amount or get their wages garnished....or even become incognito tax evaders....all before a jail sentence would ever even come in to play imo.
yes, as with ANY tax evasion, jail is a possibility....but 99.9% of the time, it is not the end result.
Sooooo....if it you're so certain that it will never happen, WHY IN THE HELL SHOULD IT BE IN THE BILL TO BEGIN WITH!!!!!!????????!!!!!!! Is it supposed to scare people into compliance??This was in their first bill as well. It's certainly nothing at all new, and I doubt anyone is "horrified" by it. By making it part of the tax code, and having the IRS enforce it, jail time IS a possibility, though of course we all know it'll never actually happen to anyone. They'll seize your property and all of your wages first.Knowledge of this provision attempted by the Pelosi Democrats (who were congratulated for their efforts by Obama post-passage) is circulating across the country and even die-hard libs are horrified at the implications of fining and possibly imprisoning Americans who fail to pay their "fee".
And now Obama appears weak and uncertain yet again - and not entirely aware of what is actually going on around him by leaders from within his own party, stating he agrees with a fine, but not fully condoning prison time. (while not fully dismissing it either)
This healthcare bill is quickly becoming a heavy stone sinking the Democrats fast.
As predicted...
Right?
This was in their first bill as well. It's certainly nothing at all new, and I doubt anyone is "horrified" by it. By making it part of the tax code, and having the IRS enforce it, jail time IS a possibility, though of course we all know it'll never actually happen to anyone. They'll seize your property and all of your wages first.Knowledge of this provision attempted by the Pelosi Democrats (who were congratulated for their efforts by Obama post-passage) is circulating across the country and even die-hard libs are horrified at the implications of fining and possibly imprisoning Americans who fail to pay their "fee".
And now Obama appears weak and uncertain yet again - and not entirely aware of what is actually going on around him by leaders from within his own party, stating he agrees with a fine, but not fully condoning prison time. (while not fully dismissing it either)
This healthcare bill is quickly becoming a heavy stone sinking the Democrats fast.
As predicted...
Right?
Wrong - Americans' collective attention is just now getting focused on this health care issue. (sad but true) And this prison stipulation is actually sinking in - and people are pissed.
As Krauthammer put it last week, "Pelosi is driving the Democrats off a cliff."
Correct if this passes and that language is still in the bill American Citizens will have cause to sue the Gov.Yes....Few people see the irony of the jail thing. Because in federal prison especially, it's very expensive to house, clothe, feed -- and yes provide comprehensive medical care -- to inmates. On the order of $40,000 annually per inmate.
how many people do we jail a year for tax evasion?
this will be no different....people will pay their taxes, cut a deal with the irs for a lesser amount or get their wages garnished....or even become incognito tax evaders....all before a jail sentence would ever even come in to play imo.
yes, as with ANY tax evasion, jail is a possibility....but 99.9% of the time, it is not the end result.
Seizure of home and property and garnishee of wages always comes first. It's a property grab, of course all the seized homes go to ACORN and Americorps for low-income housing.
OBEY or else!
This shit, if it ever becomes Law, will be stricken down by the SCOTUS. It's unconstitutional.
Sooooo....if it you're so certain that it will never happen, WHY IN THE HELL SHOULD IT BE IN THE BILL TO BEGIN WITH!!!!!!????????!!!!!!! Is it supposed to scare people into compliance??This was in their first bill as well. It's certainly nothing at all new, and I doubt anyone is "horrified" by it. By making it part of the tax code, and having the IRS enforce it, jail time IS a possibility, though of course we all know it'll never actually happen to anyone. They'll seize your property and all of your wages first.Knowledge of this provision attempted by the Pelosi Democrats (who were congratulated for their efforts by Obama post-passage) is circulating across the country and even die-hard libs are horrified at the implications of fining and possibly imprisoning Americans who fail to pay their "fee".
And now Obama appears weak and uncertain yet again - and not entirely aware of what is actually going on around him by leaders from within his own party, stating he agrees with a fine, but not fully condoning prison time. (while not fully dismissing it either)
This healthcare bill is quickly becoming a heavy stone sinking the Democrats fast.
As predicted...
Right?
Why can't these people say what the mean and mean what they say???
JESUS H. CHRIST!!!!
I remember these same folks crapping themselves thinking Bush & Cheney were reading their e-mail.... now, jail time and fines for not buying insurance.... eh, no problem.
The nonpartisan Joint Committee on Taxation reported that the House version of the healthcare bill specifies that those who dont buy health insurance and do not pay the fine of about 2.5 percent of their income for failing to do so can face a penalty of up to five years in prison!
The bill describes the penalties as follows:
Section 7203 misdemeanor willful failure to pay is punishable by a fine of up to $25,000 and/or imprisonment of up to one year.
Section 7201 felony willful evasion is punishable by a fine of up to $250,000 and/or imprisonment of up to five years. [page 3]
Pay up or the death panel will have you killed!!! or the Obama administration will give you a community improvment job. intern you in an internment camp and have you pick up garbage. Here is your hope and change that you kool-aid drinkers wanted!!!
So let me get this right... Through Government health care people will pay a fine for not having health care insurance, however the penalty will only be for those families who can afford to pay for it but do not... So who decides who can afford health care coverage? The Government?????
So the bottom line is health care will be similar to what it is now and cost about the same being that the people who can afford it are paying for those who can't, yet it will be run by the Government instead of by the individual......WTF??????
Interview with the President: Jail Time for Those without Health Care Insurance? - Political Punch
So let me get this right... Through Government health care people will pay a fine for not having health care insurance, however the penalty will only be for those families who can afford to pay for it but do not... So who decides who can afford health care coverage? The Government?????
So the bottom line is health care will be similar to what it is now and cost about the same being that the people who can afford it are paying for those who can't, yet it will be run by the Government instead of by the individual......WTF??????
Interview with the President: Jail Time for Those without Health Care Insurance? - Political Punch
Indeed. My son just bought a new car, he's 23 and just out of college. Working a job at $12 an hour. He's choosing to buy the car, pay insurance, and for the next 3 months, live off the rest. Then the other payments kick in. There's no $$$ there for insurance. So a car and job or health insurance? At his age, which would you choose?
Now if the government fines him?
So let me get this right... Through Government health care people will pay a fine for not having health care insurance, however the penalty will only be for those families who can afford to pay for it but do not... So who decides who can afford health care coverage? The Government?????
So the bottom line is health care will be similar to what it is now and cost about the same being that the people who can afford it are paying for those who can't, yet it will be run by the Government instead of by the individual......WTF??????
Interview with the President: Jail Time for Those without Health Care Insurance? - Political Punch
Indeed. My son just bought a new car, he's 23 and just out of college. Working a job at $12 an hour. He's choosing to buy the car, pay insurance, and for the next 3 months, live off the rest. Then the other payments kick in. There's no $$$ there for insurance. So a car and job or health insurance? At his age, which would you choose?
Now if the government fines him?
So let me get this right... Through Government health care people will pay a fine for not having health care insurance, however the penalty will only be for those families who can afford to pay for it but do not... So who decides who can afford health care coverage? The Government?????
So the bottom line is health care will be similar to what it is now and cost about the same being that the people who can afford it are paying for those who can't, yet it will be run by the Government instead of by the individual......WTF??????
Interview with the President: Jail Time for Those without Health Care Insurance? - Political Punch
Indeed. My son just bought a new car, he's 23 and just out of college. Working a job at $12 an hour. He's choosing to buy the car, pay insurance, and for the next 3 months, live off the rest. Then the other payments kick in. There's no $$$ there for insurance. So a car and job or health insurance? At his age, which would you choose?
Now if the government fines him?
If the lefties have their way- he won't have to choose. Government will rescue him from himself.
Don't forget free healthcare, including vision, and dental.I suppose I'll miss the dog, Rod and the cat but heck won't have to worry about food, heat, running water, how to pay the taxes on the house next year. I can picture gaining a few pounds there but wth.I wonder who will be the one who bunks with Charlie Manson?
I can just see the hardened convicts circling around a couple of people who didn't pay for healthcare. Can anyone else get a mental image of this?
I guess this would be Obama's new and improved America.
