Intelligent Design and Evolution?

[manifold]

Is intelligent design merely an abstact concept or is there an official, documented dogma that articulates precisely what a believer in I.D. actually believes? If it is merely an abstract concept, how can it really contradict the theory of evolution? Could not the evolutionary process be the foundation of such an intelligent design? The cynic in me views it as a largely failed politcal ploy, concocted by science-hating creationists, but I could be wrong. Any thoughts?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Is intelligent design merely an abstact concept or is there an official, documented dogma that articulates precisely what a believer in I.D. actually believes? If it is merely an abstract concept, how can it really contradict the theory of evolution? Could not the evolutionary process be the foundation of such an intelligent design? The cynic in me views it as a largely failed politcal ploy, concocted by science-hating creationists, but I could be wrong. Any thoughts?

Intelligent design assumes that some THING, usually a God, arranged for the beginning of life and has had a hand in other steps along the way. The theory discounts that pure random chance lead to life and lead to man.

 

[manifold]

Intelligent design assumes that some THING, usually a God, arranged for the beginning of life and has had a hand in other steps along the way. The theory discounts that pure random chance lead to life and lead to man.

How important is the qualifier "pure" in regards to random chance in your understanding of I.D.? Because even designed systems can, and often do, employ random processes. But obviously said system itself would not be purely random.

 

[CharlestonChad]

Intelligent design assumes that some THING, usually a God, arranged for the beginning of life and has had a hand in other steps along the way. The theory discounts that pure random chance lead to life and lead to man.

ID is a very blurry term. I can mean a lot of different things. I don't know of a standardized definition for ID.

I was at a public debate at the end of darwin week about Evolution and Christianity, and how they relate to each other. There is biblical scripture that denounces all of science, along the lines of "it's a sin to think god's thoughts after Him".

 

[manifold]

ID is a very blurry term. I can mean a lot of different things. I don't know of a standardized definition for ID.

I was at a public debate at the end of darwin week about Evolution and Christianity, and how they relate to each other. There is biblical scripture that denounces all of science, along the lines of "it's a sin to think god's thoughts after Him".

Isn't that why Adam and Eve were cast out of the Garden of Eden? Wasn't the infamous apple from the tree of "knowledge?"

 

[Taomon]

Is intelligent design merely an abstact concept or is there an official, documented dogma that articulates precisely what a believer in I.D. actually believes? If it is merely an abstract concept, how can it really contradict the theory of evolution? Could not the evolutionary process be the foundation of such an intelligent design? The cynic in me views it as a largely failed politcal ploy, concocted by science-hating creationists, but I could be wrong. Any thoughts?

The Heritage Foundation has plenty to say about it I am sure

 

[manifold]

The Heritage Foundation has plenty to say about it I am sure

Like what for example?

 

[Shogun]

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[rayboyusmc]

Intelligent Design can mean whatever you want it to mean just like many religious tenets can.

For me, I believe in a God concept. Something that is greater than any of the mortal/time limited objects that I know exist. I like the term, "Eternal Present." No change ever. No entropy.

I also believe in evolution that is guided by some power greater than random chance but still allowing random chance to operate as the selection process.

I don't see any problem being a Deist and believing in evolution as the means for feces to evolve to their present state and beyond.

I do have a real serious problem with the 7 days concept and garden of Eden thing. That is so pat with other primative explanations of how life was created. I find it hard to believe that someone would take the bible that literally today. But, then I find it hard to believe that some folks on these threads believe what they write.

 

[Shogun]

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[Diuretic]

Sorry, we inflicted Ham on the rest of the world. However if you could keep him in the States that would be good.

 

[Gunny]

Is intelligent design merely an abstact concept or is there an official, documented dogma that articulates precisely what a believer in I.D. actually believes? If it is merely an abstract concept, how can it really contradict the theory of evolution? Could not the evolutionary process be the foundation of such an intelligent design? The cynic in me views it as a largely failed politcal ploy, concocted by science-hating creationists, but I could be wrong. Any thoughts?

On what do you base the premise of your argument? ID is actually a "ploy" by Creationists who also accept science as valid.

Further response to your question demands a an official, documented dogma that articulates precisely your definition of "theory of evolution."

Evolution itself is life itself. One is either evolving, or dead. A rather hard point to argue.

If you are referring to the "man from apes," Darwinian theory of evolution, there is in fact a direct contradiction between Darwin's guesswork and Creationism.

 

[Shogun]

darwin's "guesswork"...

vs. the ID crock of shit.

rich.

 

[manifold]

On what do you base the premise of your argument? ID is actually a "ploy" by Creationists who also accept science as valid.

Further response to your question demands a an official, documented dogma that articulates precisely your definition of "theory of evolution."

Evolution itself is life itself. One is either evolving, or dead. A rather hard point to argue.

If you are referring to the "man from apes," Darwinian theory of evolution, there is in fact a direct contradiction between Darwin's guesswork and Creationism.

Huh?

I didn't actually present an argument. I asked a question.

 

[Angel Heart]

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[Shogun]

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funny how "seems to suggest an intelligent designer" is equivilent to evidence thereof. Acting like a martyr sure isn't a unique reaction to lack of proof.

Maybe we should remember why PHYSICAL EVIDENCE, and not dogma junky interpretation, is the basis of SCIENCE.

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[CharlestonChad]

Evolution itself is life itself. One is either evolving, or dead. A rather hard point to argue.

If you are referring to the "man from apes," Darwinian theory of evolution, there is in fact a direct contradiction between Darwin's guesswork and Creationism.

1. Evolution does not occur in individuals. You GunnyL are not evolving. You are who you are that that will not change. You may adapt to your environment, but that is not passed along to your offspring.

2. Darwin didn't say man came from apes. You won't find many biologists in the world who believe that man came from apes. Humans share a common ancestor with apes.

3. Darwin's work does not contradict creationism.

 

[William Joyce]

"it's a sin to think god's thoughts after Him".

What if He's the one always copying me?

 

[Diuretic]

1. Evolution does not occur in individuals. You GunnyL are not evolving. You are who you are that that will not change. You may adapt to your environment, but that is not passed along to your offspring.

2. Darwin didn't say man came from apes. You won't find many biologists in the world who believe that man came from apes. Humans share a common ancestor with apes.

3. Darwin's work does not contradict creationism.

Let's chuck Lamarck in there and really upset the fundies

 

[jillian]

What if He's the one always copying me?

Ya... I'm sure G-d hates blacks and Jews and Hispanics and everyone else who isn't white Christian as much as you.