Intel CEO: "Jobs will not be created here" and says Obama's to blame.

That's a load of hooey. The corporations certainly paid a great deal in SS and Medicare taxes - as well as the plethora of exercise, sales, and use taxes embedded into nearly everything they purchase. And then there's the little detail that their employee base pay a great deal of income taxes, which are borne by the corporations' cost structures.

Right, but the argument is about income taxes. When people say that the corporate income tax is too high, they fail to realize that few corporations pay that rate, or at least few large corporations. I'm all for lower corporate income taxes, but much of this argument is disingenuous because the effective corporate income tax rate is much lower than 35%.
 
Corporations only pay taxes on profits. Hence, tax income drops during recessions, as most corporations cannot turn a profit.

They were paying no taxes long before the recession.

Majority of corporations avoid federal income taxes - study - Aug. 12, 2008

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Nearly two-thirds of U.S. companies and 68% of foreign corporations do not pay federal income taxes, according to a congressional report released Tuesday.

The Government Accountability Office (GAO) examined samples of corporate tax returns filed between 1998 and 2005. In that time period, an annual average of 1.3 million U.S. companies and 39,000 foreign companies doing business in the United States paid no income taxes - despite having a combined $2.5 trillion in revenue.



That's a load of hooey. The corporations certainly paid a great deal in SS and Medicare taxes - as well as the plethora of exercise, sales, and use taxes embedded into nearly everything they purchase. And then there's the little detail that their employee base pay a great deal of income taxes, which are borne by the corporations' cost structures.

Don't befuddle Pod with facts. It's not fair.
 
This is what IMMEDIATELY follows what allie posted in the opening post:



The phenomenon of technology executives advancing dismal predictions and offering pointed critiques of Washington politicking isn't new, of course.

For instance: In 2005, midway through the Bush administration, Microsoft's Bill Gates told a Washington audience that curbs on immigration and guest workers would provide a boost to research institutions in China and India. A year earlier, then-Intel CEO Craig Barrett warned that the U.S. must dramatically improve its education system.

That never happened. Nor did politicians follow Gates' advice to rethink laws that led to foreign engineers being kicked out of the country as soon as they finish their degrees.


You Moonbats need to get your stories straight. Which is it: are we OUTSOURCING jobs to India and China, or importing their workers?


We have the best of both worlds. We export lower skill jobs and import higher skilled workers. Both are highly profitable.

You can be sure we do not pay those high skilled workers what American workers receive. Silicon valley has a surplus of American workers.
 
Chinese people would be grateful to have the wives we throw away?
 
Rumors swirl around a new Intel factory at Ronler Acres - Oregon Business

Rumors surrounding a new multi-billion dollar factory at Intel's Ronler Acres campus in Hillsboro have persisted for months, but the company won't comment.

The new development factory would provide huge boost to the state's economy and stagnant job market.

Intel won't comment, but if the company is trying to keep its intentions secret it isn't trying very hard: Equipment vendors, Portland labor unions and state officials tell The Oregonian that the chipmaker is actively laying the groundwork for a major project.

"We know something's going on," said Tim McCabe, director of the Oregon Business Development Department. "Unless they want to tell us, we don't pry."
 
For all you tax cut nutjobs.

Clinton increased the taxes on the very wealthy. Killed the economy, correct?

Bush gave the very wealthy a big tax cut. And the increase in new jobs did not even keep up the the Americans that were entering the job market as they graduated for school.

But you want more of the same. Lordy, lordy!!!!!
 
Apple and Hewlett Packard put together a plant in China employing 300,000 people where they have suicides every couple of days. They just got their salaries DOUBLED to $293 dollars A MONTH.

The CEO of Intel wants to do that here and is angry Obama is against it?

This is what Republicans are "defending"? The CEO of Intel? They want us to be like China? A "communist/socialist" country?
 
well, you know... competing with chinese sweatshops isn't easy when America keeps the price of labor higher than a couple hundred bucks a month.
 
Apple and Hewlett Packard put together a plant in China employing 300,000 people where they have suicides every couple of days. They just got their salaries DOUBLED to $293 dollars A MONTH.

The CEO of Intel wants to do that here and is angry Obama is against it?

This is what Republicans are "defending"? The CEO of Intel? They want us to be like China? A "communist/socialist" country?

Only when we have complete corporate rule and low wages for working people can true prosperity be realized.
 
For all you tax cut nutjobs.

Clinton increased the taxes on the very wealthy. Killed the economy, correct?

Bush gave the very wealthy a big tax cut. And the increase in new jobs did not even keep up the the Americans that were entering the job market as they graduated for school.

But you want more of the same. Lordy, lordy!!!!!

A fair part of the stimulus was a tax cut. The Republicans refused to vote for the bill to allow easier credit to small business. It died.
 
Some of this is overblown. I heard the same thing in 1993.

BUT ...

It is foolish to ignore what CEOs say. They are the ones who ultimately make the decisions on capital expenditures. Many CEOs have been saying the same thing over the past year.

HOWEVER ...

Even if the corporate tax rate was 0% and there were zero regulations, the economy would still be in the tank because there is excess capacity and too much debt. Until we work through both of those, economic and job growth is going to be anemic. It doesn't matter what the CEOs say. This is a massive structural problem beyond what the government can do. The government might be able to mitigate these problems a little and work through these problems a little faster, but they can't alter the fundamental problems.


I'd add that: Too much unemployment and Too Much loss of home equity wealth. The U.S. economy is 70% consumer driven, with an overweighting on housing. As the loose credit enabled speculation drove up housing prices well beyond what would be justified by inflation and normal population growth supply and demand, homeowners cashed out equity to fuel consumer spending. That game is gone.

Businesses invest when they see opportunities for revenue growth. With consumers retrenching, there is a serious lack of such opportunities.
 
For all you tax cut nutjobs.

Clinton increased the taxes on the very wealthy. Killed the economy, correct?

Bush gave the very wealthy a big tax cut. And the increase in new jobs did not even keep up the the Americans that were entering the job market as they graduated for school.

But you want more of the same. Lordy, lordy!!!!!

A fair part of the stimulus was a tax cut. The Republicans refused to vote for the bill to allow easier credit to small business. It died.

Thus far, tax cuts account for $223 billion of the $502 billion of the stimulus, or nearly half. Yet, the right says the stimulus didn't work.

Recovery.gov
 
Some of this is overblown. I heard the same thing in 1993.

BUT ...

It is foolish to ignore what CEOs say. They are the ones who ultimately make the decisions on capital expenditures. Many CEOs have been saying the same thing over the past year.

HOWEVER ...

Even if the corporate tax rate was 0% and there were zero regulations, the economy would still be in the tank because there is excess capacity and too much debt. Until we work through both of those, economic and job growth is going to be anemic. It doesn't matter what the CEOs say. This is a massive structural problem beyond what the government can do. The government might be able to mitigate these problems a little and work through these problems a little faster, but they can't alter the fundamental problems.


I'd add that: Too much unemployment and Too Much loss of home equity wealth. The U.S. economy is 70% consumer driven, with an overweighting on housing. As the loose credit enabled speculation drove up housing prices well beyond what would be justified by inflation and normal population growth supply and demand, homeowners cashed out equity to fuel consumer spending. That game is gone.

Businesses invest when they see opportunities for revenue growth. With consumers retrenching, there is a serious lack of such opportunities.

The underlying problem in all this is that monetary policy has been run very poorly. Loose credit drove both the tech mania and the housing bubble. We are now living with the after-effects. Past recessions since WWII have been due to changes in demand and inventories and responses to inflation. These past two recessions have been driven by changes in asset prices and availability of credit. Today is very, very different than from 1945 to 2000. Today is closer to the 1930s.
 
The root cause is the Federal Reserve.
 

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