Infant mortality and nations.

[Old Rocks]

I was accused by Two Thumbs of lying about the infant mortality because I stated that the US lagged behind most other industrial nations. By the very link in his own post, here are the deplorable facts.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_infant_mortality_rate

List by the CIA World Factbook
(all 2009 estimates)

1 Singapore 2.31
2 Bermuda 2.46
3 Sweden 2.75
4 Japan 2.79
5 Hong Kong 2.92
6 Macau 3.22
7 Iceland 3.23
8 France 3.33
9 Finland 3.47
10 Anguilla 3.52
11 Norway 3.58
12 Malta 3.75
13 Andorra 3.76
14 Czech Republic 3.79
15 Germany 3.99
16 Switzerland 4.18
17 Spain 4.21
18 Israel 4.22
19 Slovenia 4.25
20 Liechtenstein 4.25
21 South Korea 4.26
22 Denmark 4.34
23 Austria 4.42
24 Belgium 4.44
25 Guernsey 4.47
26 Luxembourg 4.56
27 Netherlands 4.73
28 Jersey 4.73
29 Australia 4.75
30 Portugal 4.78
31 Gibraltar 4.83
32 United Kingdom 4.85
33 New Zealand 4.92
34 Monaco 5.00
35 Wallis and Futuna 5.02
36 Canada 5.04
37 Ireland 5.05
38 Greece 5.16
39 San Marino 5.34
40 Taiwan 5.35
41 Isle of Man 5.37
42 Italy 5.51
43 European Union 5.72
44 Cuba 5.82
45 Guam 6.05
46 United States 6.26


List by the United Nations Population Division

Country or territory Infant mortality rate
(deaths/1,000 live births) Under-five mortality rate
(deaths/1,000 live births)
1 Iceland 2.9 3.9
2 Singapore 3.0 4.1
3 Japan 3.2 4.2
4 Sweden 3.2 4.0
5 Norway 3.3 4.4
6 Hong Kong 3.7 4.7
7 Finland 3.7 4.7
8 Czech Republic 3.8 4.8
9 Switzerland 4.1 5.1
10 South Korea 4.1 4.8
11 Belgium 4.2 5.3
12 France 4.2 5.2
13 Spain 4.2 5.3
14 Germany 4.3 5.4
15 Denmark 4.4 5.8
16 Austria 4.4 5.4
17 Australia 4.4 5.6
18 Luxembourg 4.5 6.6
19 Netherlands 4.7 5.9
20 Israel 4.7 5.7
21 Slovenia 4.8 6.4
22 United Kingdom 4.8 6.0
23 Canada 4.8 5.9
24 Ireland 4.9 6.2
25 Italy 5.0 6.1
26 Portugal 5.0 6.6
27 New Zealand 5.0 6.4
28 Cuba 5.1 6.5
29 Channel Islands ( Jersey and Guernsey) 5.2 6.2
30 Brunei 5.5 6.7
31 Cyprus 5.9 6.9
32 New Caledonia 6.1 8.7
33 United States 6.3 7.8

The United Nations gives us a higher rating than our own CIA does.

Something to really be proud of, right?

 

[Oddball]

How many times do you need to be told that this stupid statistic is completely irrelevant to anything?

 

[William Joyce]

The U.S. has a higher rate because of its black population. Black infants die at much higher rates because of the place of blacks on the r-K scale. You'll see uniformity for blacks on this, whether in the U.S. or Africa.

 

[Old Rocks]

How many times do you need to be told that this stupid statistic is completely irrelevant to anything?

Then the abortion rate is equally irrelevant.

 

[Old Rocks]

The U.S. has a higher rate because of its black population. Black infants die at much higher rates because of the place of blacks on the r-K scale. You'll see uniformity for blacks on this, whether in the U.S. or Africa.

And what is the complexion of the top six?

1 Singapore 2.31
2 Bermuda 2.46 3 Sweden 2.75
4 Japan 2.79
5 Hong Kong 2.92
6 Macau 3.22

BBC News - Regions and territories: Bermuda

Bermuda came under English control in the late 17th century. Slaves, most of them brought from Africa, came to outnumber the colonists. Today, three-fifths of the population are of African descent.

As usual, WJ, you are full of shit.

 

[Old Rocks]

Aren't yawl so fucking proud of our healthcare system?

UN report

28 Cuba 5.1 6.5
33 United States 6.3 7.8


CIA Report

44 Cuba 5.82
46 United States 6.26



[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVgOl3cETb4]YouTube - "We're Number 37" - Paul Hipp[/ame]

 

[William Joyce]

The U.S. has a higher rate because of its black population. Black infants die at much higher rates because of the place of blacks on the r-K scale. You'll see uniformity for blacks on this, whether in the U.S. or Africa.

And what is the complexion of the top six?

1 Singapore 2.31
2 Bermuda 2.46 3 Sweden 2.75
4 Japan 2.79
5 Hong Kong 2.92
6 Macau 3.22

BBC News - Regions and territories: Bermuda

Bermuda came under English control in the late 17th century. Slaves, most of them brought from Africa, came to outnumber the colonists. Today, three-fifths of the population are of African descent.

As usual, WJ, you are full of shit.

Look at this list.

List of countries by infant mortality rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Whatever explains Bermuda high on the list, the overwhelming overall pattern is whites high, browns lower, blacks lowest.

Figure in the U.S. as a mix of all those, and yes, it's going to land lower.

 

[The Infidel]

The U.S. has a higher rate because of its black population. Black infants die at much higher rates because of the place of blacks on the r-K scale. You'll see uniformity for blacks on this, whether in the U.S. or Africa.

They have the highest abortion rate too.... why is this not important to the idiots who supposedly "worry" about infant mortality.

 

[The Infidel]

How many times do you need to be told that this stupid statistic is completely irrelevant to anything?

Then the abortion rate is equally irrelevant.

you stepped in it dummy!

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

I was accused by Two Thumbs of lying about the infant mortality because I stated that the US lagged behind most other industrial nations. By the very link in his own post, here are the deplorable facts.

The reason why our infant mortality rate is so low on the list is because we count every single birth as a live birth and most other nations do not. In many other places, especially Europe, the baby has to meet certain requirements before it dies to be counted in their infant mortality rate so their numbers tend to be overly inflated. When you remove that from the equation, we're pretty much the same as Europe. There are also cultural and ethnic differences that also factor in.

This is a good article to read on the subject.

Bernadine Healy, M.D.: Behind the baby count - US News and World Report

 

[Toronado3800]

In Austria and Germany, fetal weight must be at least 500 grams (1 pound) to count as a live birth; in other parts of Europe, such as Switzerland, the fetus must be at least 30 centimeters (12 inches) long. In Belgium and France, births at less than 26 weeks of pregnancy are registered as lifeless.

Interesting read.

Damn. What percentage of babies are born at less than 26 weeks or one pound? We can do the math here if I can find it...

 

[Quantum Windbag]

I was accused by Two Thumbs of lying about the infant mortality because I stated that the US lagged behind most other industrial nations. By the very link in his own post, here are the deplorable facts.

List of countries by infant mortality rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

List by the CIA World Factbook
(all 2009 estimates)

1 Singapore 2.31
2 Bermuda 2.46
3 Sweden 2.75
4 Japan 2.79
5 Hong Kong 2.92
6 Macau 3.22
7 Iceland 3.23
8 France 3.33
9 Finland 3.47
10 Anguilla 3.52
11 Norway 3.58
12 Malta 3.75
13 Andorra 3.76
14 Czech Republic 3.79
15 Germany 3.99
16 Switzerland 4.18
17 Spain 4.21
18 Israel 4.22
19 Slovenia 4.25
20 Liechtenstein 4.25
21 South Korea 4.26
22 Denmark 4.34
23 Austria 4.42
24 Belgium 4.44
25 Guernsey 4.47
26 Luxembourg 4.56
27 Netherlands 4.73
28 Jersey 4.73
29 Australia 4.75
30 Portugal 4.78
31 Gibraltar 4.83
32 United Kingdom 4.85
33 New Zealand 4.92
34 Monaco 5.00
35 Wallis and Futuna 5.02
36 Canada 5.04
37 Ireland 5.05
38 Greece 5.16
39 San Marino 5.34
40 Taiwan 5.35
41 Isle of Man 5.37
42 Italy 5.51
43 European Union 5.72
44 Cuba 5.82
45 Guam 6.05
46 United States 6.26


List by the United Nations Population Division

Country or territory Infant mortality rate
(deaths/1,000 live births) Under-five mortality rate
(deaths/1,000 live births)
1 Iceland 2.9 3.9
2 Singapore 3.0 4.1
3 Japan 3.2 4.2
4 Sweden 3.2 4.0
5 Norway 3.3 4.4
6 Hong Kong 3.7 4.7
7 Finland 3.7 4.7
8 Czech Republic 3.8 4.8
9 Switzerland 4.1 5.1
10 South Korea 4.1 4.8
11 Belgium 4.2 5.3
12 France 4.2 5.2
13 Spain 4.2 5.3
14 Germany 4.3 5.4
15 Denmark 4.4 5.8
16 Austria 4.4 5.4
17 Australia 4.4 5.6
18 Luxembourg 4.5 6.6
19 Netherlands 4.7 5.9
20 Israel 4.7 5.7
21 Slovenia 4.8 6.4
22 United Kingdom 4.8 6.0
23 Canada 4.8 5.9
24 Ireland 4.9 6.2
25 Italy 5.0 6.1
26 Portugal 5.0 6.6
27 New Zealand 5.0 6.4
28 Cuba 5.1 6.5
29 Channel Islands ( Jersey and Guernsey) 5.2 6.2
30 Brunei 5.5 6.7
31 Cyprus 5.9 6.9
32 New Caledonia 6.1 8.7
33 United States 6.3 7.8

The United Nations gives us a higher rating than our own CIA does.

Something to really be proud of, right?

Are you really this stupid, or do you just play it on the internet?

 

[Baruch Menachem]

We have been through this on several occasions, so if he is not that stupid, he is that dishonest.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

We have been through this on several occasions, so if he is not that stupid, he is that dishonest.

I know. We've also debunked the "we rank 37th in the world in health care" myth for him on multiple occasions as well. Marxists like Old Rocks aren't interested in the truth. They just want to pimp their ideology even when it's proven to fail and if they have to lie to do it, so be it.

 

[Toronado3800]

If you discounts blacks we rank higher in infant mortality? I bet we count them when it comes olympic medal time.

Does anyone know how many babies in the country are born under a pound? We can subtract that from our numbers if other countries dont count tiny babies and see where if fall.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Aren't yawl so fucking proud of our healthcare system?

UN report

28 Cuba 5.1 6.5
33 United States 6.3 7.8


CIA Report

44 Cuba 5.82
46 United States 6.26



YouTube - "We're Number 37" - Paul Hipp

Rocks what happens to those numbers when the Illegals who are here have their Stats taken out of ours?....just askin.....because a few months ago they had a write up about this and its effect in S.California.....when they took them out the numbers were somewhat different....many Illegals DO NOT go to a real doctor and if something happens to their babies during birth,its still a recorded stat that goes into the Stat Pool.....the report said the US moves up pretty far on the list when JUST US Citizens are included....AND it said one Countries qualifications to be on these International lists may vary compared to another......

 

[Harry Dresden]

We have been through this on several occasions, so if he is not that stupid, he is that dishonest.

he does the same thing Chris does.....show the same shit that was shown 3 months ago.....and a few months from now...it will happen again....

 

[Toronado3800]

So if we dont count black and illegals our healthcare system ranks higher? Can i not count my christian scientist neighbor or the guy next door who eats too much fast food and smokes?

Really, if we dont count illegals how much higher is our ranking?

 

[GunZawga]

I was accused by Two Thumbs of lying about the infant mortality because I stated that the US lagged behind most other industrial nations. By the very link in his own post, here are the deplorable facts.

The reason why our infant mortality rate is so low on the list is because we count every single birth as a live birth and most other nations do not. In many other places, especially Europe, the baby has to meet certain requirements before it dies to be counted in their infant mortality rate so their numbers tend to be overly inflated. When you remove that from the equation, we're pretty much the same as Europe. There are also cultural and ethnic differences that also factor in.

This is a good article to read on the subject.

Bernadine Healy, M.D.: Behind the baby count - US News and World Report

Nothing she says NEGATES the fact that universal health care is a factor -- or in HER words

"They also convey little about why we lose nearly 28,000 babies a year, a starting point if we want to bring universal health to our nation's cradles."


Thanks for the helpfull and supportive link!

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

The reason why our infant mortality rate is so low on the list is because we count every single birth as a live birth and most other nations do not. In many other places, especially Europe, the baby has to meet certain requirements before it dies to be counted in their infant mortality rate so their numbers tend to be overly inflated. When you remove that from the equation, we're pretty much the same as Europe. There are also cultural and ethnic differences that also factor in.

This is a good article to read on the subject.

Bernadine Healy, M.D.: Behind the baby count - US News and World Report

Nothing she says NEGATES the fact that universal health care is a factor -- or in HER words

"They also convey little about why we lose nearly 28,000 babies a year, a starting point if we want to bring universal health to our nation's cradles."


Thanks for the helpfull and supportive link!

Was someone arguing that point?