Infant mortality and nations.

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    I was accused by Two Thumbs of lying about the infant mortality because I stated that the US lagged behind most other industrial nations. By the very link in his own post, here are the deplorable facts.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_infant_mortality_rate

    List by the CIA World Factbook
    (all 2009 estimates)

    1 Singapore 2.31
    2 Bermuda 2.46
    3 Sweden 2.75
    4 Japan 2.79
    5 Hong Kong 2.92
    6 Macau 3.22
    7 Iceland 3.23
    8 France 3.33
    9 Finland 3.47
    10 Anguilla 3.52
    11 Norway 3.58
    12 Malta 3.75
    13 Andorra 3.76
    14 Czech Republic 3.79
    15 Germany 3.99
    16 Switzerland 4.18
    17 Spain 4.21
    18 Israel 4.22
    19 Slovenia 4.25
    20 Liechtenstein 4.25
    21 South Korea 4.26
    22 Denmark 4.34
    23 Austria 4.42
    24 Belgium 4.44
    25 Guernsey 4.47
    26 Luxembourg 4.56
    27 Netherlands 4.73
    28 Jersey 4.73
    29 Australia 4.75
    30 Portugal 4.78
    31 Gibraltar 4.83
    32 United Kingdom 4.85
    33 New Zealand 4.92
    34 Monaco 5.00
    35 Wallis and Futuna 5.02
    36 Canada 5.04
    37 Ireland 5.05
    38 Greece 5.16
    39 San Marino 5.34
    40 Taiwan 5.35
    41 Isle of Man 5.37
    42 Italy 5.51
    43 European Union 5.72
    44 Cuba 5.82
    45 Guam 6.05
    46 United States 6.26


    List by the United Nations Population Division

    Country or territory Infant mortality rate
    (deaths/1,000 live births) Under-five mortality rate
    (deaths/1,000 live births)
    1 Iceland 2.9 3.9
    2 Singapore 3.0 4.1
    3 Japan 3.2 4.2
    4 Sweden 3.2 4.0
    5 Norway 3.3 4.4
    6 Hong Kong 3.7 4.7
    7 Finland 3.7 4.7
    8 Czech Republic 3.8 4.8
    9 Switzerland 4.1 5.1
    10 South Korea 4.1 4.8
    11 Belgium 4.2 5.3
    12 France 4.2 5.2
    13 Spain 4.2 5.3
    14 Germany 4.3 5.4
    15 Denmark 4.4 5.8
    16 Austria 4.4 5.4
    17 Australia 4.4 5.6
    18 Luxembourg 4.5 6.6
    19 Netherlands 4.7 5.9
    20 Israel 4.7 5.7
    21 Slovenia 4.8 6.4
    22 United Kingdom 4.8 6.0
    23 Canada 4.8 5.9
    24 Ireland 4.9 6.2
    25 Italy 5.0 6.1
    26 Portugal 5.0 6.6
    27 New Zealand 5.0 6.4
    28 Cuba 5.1 6.5
    29 Channel Islands ( Jersey and Guernsey) 5.2 6.2
    30 Brunei 5.5 6.7
    31 Cyprus 5.9 6.9
    32 New Caledonia 6.1 8.7
    33 United States 6.3 7.8

    The United Nations gives us a higher rating than our own CIA does.

    Something to really be proud of, right?
     
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    How many times do you need to be told that this stupid statistic is completely irrelevant to anything?
     
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    The U.S. has a higher rate because of its black population. Black infants die at much higher rates because of the place of blacks on the r-K scale. You'll see uniformity for blacks on this, whether in the U.S. or Africa.
     
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    Then the abortion rate is equally irrelevant.
     
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    And what is the complexion of the top six?

    1 Singapore 2.31
    2 Bermuda 2.46 3 Sweden 2.75
    4 Japan 2.79
    5 Hong Kong 2.92
    6 Macau 3.22

    BBC News - Regions and territories: Bermuda

    Bermuda came under English control in the late 17th century. Slaves, most of them brought from Africa, came to outnumber the colonists. Today, three-fifths of the population are of African descent.

    As usual, WJ, you are full of shit.
     
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    Aren't yawl so fucking proud of our healthcare system?

    UN report

    28 Cuba 5.1 6.5
    33 United States 6.3 7.8


    CIA Report

    44 Cuba 5.82
    46 United States 6.26



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    Look at this list.

    List of countries by infant mortality rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Whatever explains Bermuda high on the list, the overwhelming overall pattern is whites high, browns lower, blacks lowest.

    Figure in the U.S. as a mix of all those, and yes, it's going to land lower.
     
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    They have the highest abortion rate too.... why is this not important to the idiots who supposedly "worry" about infant mortality. :confused:
     
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    you stepped in it dummy! :lol:
     
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    The reason why our infant mortality rate is so low on the list is because we count every single birth as a live birth and most other nations do not. In many other places, especially Europe, the baby has to meet certain requirements before it dies to be counted in their infant mortality rate so their numbers tend to be overly inflated. When you remove that from the equation, we're pretty much the same as Europe. There are also cultural and ethnic differences that also factor in.

    This is a good article to read on the subject.

    Bernadine Healy, M.D.: Behind the baby count - US News and World Report
     
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