Indoctrination of Our Young

[acludem]

All of the media outlets you mentioned are reputable mainstream, non-biased sources. That does not mean they necessarily always practice good journalism but at least they try. Fox News run by Rupert Murdoch and Roger Ailes is waging war on journalism. That's why no journalists work there. All of the anchors on that network, are in one way or the other, directly connected to the Republican Party. Brit Hume is the only person you might be able to call a journalist and even his "Special Report" is nothing more than the right wing spin of the day. He's a disgruntled former ABC employee who lusted after Peter Jennings' job for years. The rest of their "news team" is nothing more than a collection of former GOP speechwriters, press agents, and staffers.

acludem

 

[Adam's Apple]

As for using Fox News to indoctrinate your children, that's Rupert Murdoch's biggest dream. acludem

Mine, too, and I hope it comes true. Fox is already the most watched cable news network, so it's making progress. All that liberal garbage you're spouting is just liberal sour grapes, trying to protect the turf where they're reigned supreme for years and years and years. No More!!! Cheers!

 

[acludem]

No sour grapes involved. I just feel bad that so many in this country take everything Fox News Channel reports as the truth, when in reality Fox News is nothing more than right wing propaganda on parade.

I would let my kids (if I had any) watch FNC, but only if they watch CNN or MSNBC as well. I would ask them to compare how the stories were reported.

acludem

 

[dmp]

Fox News is nothing more than right wing propaganda on parade.

Nobody with a modicum of smarts can believe that - it's not possible. It's 'un-possible'.

wow.

 

[acludem]

Watch the documentary "Outfoxed". Don't even listen to the people they interview (which includes a parade of former fox employees and contributors, and no Ted Kennedy and HIllary Clinton are not interviewed). The only politician on the documentary is Bernie Sanders, the Independent U.S. Rep. from Vermont. Just read the memos and listen to how they hit the talking points every day on every show.

acludem

 

[Hobbit]

All of the media outlets you mentioned are reputable mainstream, non-biased sources. That does not mean they necessarily always practice good journalism but at least they try. Fox News run by Rupert Murdoch and Roger Ailes is waging war on journalism. That's why no journalists work there. All of the anchors on that network, are in one way or the other, directly connected to the Republican Party. Brit Hume is the only person you might be able to call a journalist and even his "Special Report" is nothing more than the right wing spin of the day. He's a disgruntled former ABC employee who lusted after Peter Jennings' job for years. The rest of their "news team" is nothing more than a collection of former GOP speechwriters, press agents, and staffers.

acludem

No, no they don't try to be fair. Ever since Woodward and Bernstein brought down Nixon (not begrudging them, they did a good job), every journalist at the three letter news organizations and half the newspapers has been trying to bring down a Republican president. They repeat the same lines as the Democrat talking points and the Arab terrorists, and vice versa. When they have a "fair and balanced" board of opinions, it's 9 liberals and a token conservative. And while Fox may be right leaning, they try not to insert their opinions into the news unless it's an opinion show. If it's an opinion and discussion show, I could care less. Whenever they have a panel of experts, it's split right down the middle between conservatives and liberals.

You just think they're biased because you've been watching the others for so long. If you think they're fair, then yeah, Fox looks incredibly right wing. However, take a close look with a critical eye. If there's good news that makes Bush look good, they'll tell you about it in the gloomiest way possible. I've looked at Bush and Clinton administration news side by side. In 2004, when unemployment dropped to 4.9%, Dan Rather said, "Well, a little hope in this horribly failing economy." Notice how unemployment drops below the number that economists consider full employment, and he's still gloomy on the 'bad economy.' So, if this is so depressing, what did he say in the Clinton years when the .coms started to bust and unemployment started spiking? He said, "Well, despite our booming economy, unemployment went up and is currently at 5.7%." Tell me how that's fair.

 

[dmp]

Watch the documentary "Outfoxed". Don't even listen to the people they interview (which includes a parade of former fox employees and contributors, and no Ted Kennedy and HIllary Clinton are not interviewed). The only politician on the documentary is Bernie Sanders, the Independent U.S. Rep. from Vermont. Just read the memos and listen to how they hit the talking points every day on every show.

acludem

I've figured it out - You're high. Seriously High on some sort of hallucinogenic drug.

 

[Nienna]

Watch the documentary "Outfoxed". Don't even listen to the people they interview (which includes a parade of former fox employees and contributors, and no Ted Kennedy and HIllary Clinton are not interviewed). The only politician on the documentary is Bernie Sanders, the Independent U.S. Rep. from Vermont. Just read the memos and listen to how they hit the talking points every day on every show.

acludem

This sounds suspiciously like another "documentary," that was full of "facts." Did Michael Moore have anything to do with this one?

 

[Mr.Conley]

If by Fox, you meant CBS, ABS, NBS, MSNBS, CNN, CNN:HN, The New York Times, The Washington Post, and The Atlanta Journal-Constitution, and if by 'conservative,' you meant 'liberal,' then yes, you would be correct.

I just want to say one thing thats only slightly related to the discussion.

CNN Headline doesn't have any extreme bias. The channel just tells you what happens. There is no anaylsis. If anything political happens, they just go to some relevant press conference.

 

[Annie]

I just want to say one thing thats only slightly related to the discussion.

CNN Headline doesn't have any extreme bias. The channel just tells you what happens. There is no anaylsis. If anything political happens, they just go to some relevant press conference.

OMG!

 

[acludem]

Michael Moore had nothing to do with "Outfoxed". He does not appear in "Outfoxed". The major contributors to this documentary were media watchdog groups like FAIR, etc. Al Franken does appear, but only to discuss the Bill O'Reilly vs. Jeremy Glick (the kid whose father died in 9/11 that O'Reilly told to shut up and then threatened with bodily harm) situation.

acludem

 

[Gunny]

Fox News is biased. It is a right-wing propaganda machine. Don't believe me? The other day on Cavuto they were trying to argue that all-out civil war in Iraq, which we are rapidly approaching, would be a good thing. If you watch "Outfoxed" you will see how their memos work and how certain phrases are repeated over and over again through the day by every host on the network. The so-called liberals on the network are forced to gush over the conservative hosts (i.e. Susan Estrich constantly telling Sean Hannity how much she loves him) in order to stay on the air. If you don't toe the FNC line, they simply fire you.

Newspapers and other TV networks at least attempt to practice real journalism, Fox hates real journalism, they are far more interested in furthering Rupert Murdoch's right wing political views.

As for using Fox News to indoctrinate your children, that's Rupert Murdoch's biggest dream.

acludem

Hogwash. Cavuto is an editorialist. Cavuto is NOT Fox News.

But go on and explain how the late Peter Jennings and/or Dan Rather were even attempting to practice "real" journalism." Dan Rather bold-faced lied about Bush, and Jennings, who is supposed to be a "real journalist," pressured ABC not to carry Toby Keith at a July 4th Special because of his pro-military/pro-US stance.

Just for your info, "real journalism" is a lie, and has been for decades. It has ALWAYS supported an agenda. It still does.

You have some problem with Fox news because it tells you what you don't want to hear .... that all of your "real" journalists are selling you a bill of goods.

For all the good US troops do in Iraq, all we see in the media here is the bad. That's not a liberal agenda? Conservatives/Republicans stand to gain nothing by a loss in Iraq. The left/liberals/Democrats are desparate for that loss to legitimize all the bullshit they've been spewing the past 3 years.

After WINNING the most decisive military victory during the Vietnam War, good old Walter tells the US public we can't win in Vietnam and turned public opinion around. Snatching defet from the jaws of victory to support an agenda.

Oh, and Susan Estrich is a dipshit.

 

[Hobbit]

I just want to say one thing thats only slightly related to the discussion.

CNN Headline doesn't have any extreme bias. The channel just tells you what happens. There is no anaylsis. If anything political happens, they just go to some relevant press conference.

True enough, and they signed Glenn Beck, which means they're not totally liberal, but I do tend to see a bit of a slant, and I guess I just got carried away when listing all those guys. Oh well. Back on topic.

When I was in school, I was taught that Roosevelt was the greatest thing to happen to planet Earth since the first life form randomly fell together from a random collection of chemicals. Now, I know that despite what good Roosevelt did (which is far less than what they taught, as the New Deal was mostly a bunch of unconstitutional, socialist bullcrap, and he introduced the most horrible thing since income tax, withdrawal. He and his party even bamboozled America into accepting it by offing 'amnesty' from the previous year's taxes, when the tax flow never stopped, since they just started paying at their next check.

I also remember how the class studied, in depth, the politics and purpose behind each amendment, except for numbers 2 and 16. Actually, they went over number 2, but number two was so we could form militias to fight off the British and had nothing to do with modern life, whatsoever.

I also remember how papers others wrote about the plight of the poor and the oppression of minorities got better grades on those papers than those who chose to write about, well, anything, especially if it had anything to do with the underprivileged being able to change their plight on their own or people having the right to defend themselves. The former group typically didn't get such great grades until these papers came up, either.

Then there's the fact that, for a while, I was convinced that the ice caps would be ancient history by now.

 

[Mr.Conley]

OMG!

Try watching it. In the morning they're too busy predicting the weather and talking about which airports are open and closed.

Anyother time its just statements like:

Lewis "Scotter" Libby has been indicted.

John Kerry won the New Hampshire democratic primaries

George Bush is flying to a G8 meeting

Everything else is just random little stories, like the piece of homeschooling.

Just statements of fact. I defy you to find three examples of liberal bias from CNN Headline.

 

[acludem]

When he's on their station, Cavuto represents Fox News. Have you watched "Outfoxed"? If not, take a little over an hour, watch it, and then get back to me. I found it at my public library, and don't give me liberal bias in the library either, it was next to "Let Freedom Ring" by Sean Hannity.

acludem

 

[Gunny]

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[Gunny]

When he's on their station, Cavuto represents Fox News. Have you watched "Outfoxed"? If not, take a little over an hour, watch it, and then get back to me. I found it at my public library, and don't give me liberal bias in the library either, it was next to "Let Freedom Ring" by Sean Hannity.

acludem

A, I will dish out whatever I choose; and B, I could care less whether or not you like it; and C, I didn't say a damned thing about public libraries, now did I?

Then there is the fact you respond to nothing more of my post than whether or not, IN YOUR OPINION, Cavuto represents Fox News.

Obviously, an objective conversation is not your intent. Seems to me it is YOU attempting to do the indoctrinizing around here with your pro-anything-left anti-anything-right preaching.

 

[acludem]

Yes, Neil Cavuto represents Fox News Channel when he is on the air. It was on his program that Fox News chose to air the propaganda trying to put a happy face on the possibility of an all-out civil war in Iraq.

I'm not trying to indoctrinate anyone, I leave that to the far right, no dissent crowd, which evidently includes you Gunny.

BTW, I do occasionally agree with the Conservatives in this forum. It doesn't happen very often, but it does happen. I'm sure it will happen again sometime soon.

And please watch "Outfoxed". It's important that everyone understand just how systematic the Fox News bias really is. From their choices of hosts and guests, to the way every single show uses the same language and talking points, Fox News is nothing more than the propaganda arm the GOP. Watch it, then tell me I'm wrong.

acludem

 

[Gunny]

Yes, Neil Cavuto represents Fox News Channel when he is on the air. It was on his program that Fox News chose to air the propaganda trying to put a happy face on the possibility of an all-out civil war in Iraq.

While you and your leftist buddies of course have decided all-out civil war is inevitable, right, and tried to put your "sad face" on some contrived, "I told you so." GMAFB.

I'm not trying to indoctrinate anyone, I leave that to the far right, no dissent crowd, which evidently includes you Gunny.

Not buying off on your leftist bullshit is indoctrination? Must have a different dictionary than you.

BTW, I do occasionally agree with the Conservatives in this forum. It doesn't happen very often, but it does happen. I'm sure it will happen again sometime soon.

And please watch "Outfoxed". It's important that everyone understand just how systematic the Fox News bias really is. From their choices of hosts and guests, to the way every single show uses the same language and talking points, Fox News is nothing more than the propaganda arm the GOP. Watch it, then tell me I'm wrong.

acludem

Give it a rest dude. I don't need to watch what you think I should because you see the little green men behind the camera. I don't care WHAT is on one particular show. I know I HAVE watched Cavuto, but in the context in which he is presented, not under th pretense that everything he says is partisan right and a lie, as you obviously do.

You obviously missed the reference to Jennings and Rather since you did not defend THEIR conduct, so I thought I'd throw 'em out again.

I have no problem with dissent. I have a problem with contrived dissent. I have a problem with a party (DNC) and organization (ACLU) that stands against everything that is right. You evidently have been indocrinated by both.

 

[acludem]

I never said Cavuto was consistently a right-wing liar. He does some interesting shows occassionally, and his focus is on money and business issues. But Cavuto does his Fox News duty and makes sure to get the talking points of the day into his show. The only show on Fox News that is nothing but pure right wing propaganda is the O'Lie, er sorry, O'Reilly Factor.

acludem