Individual mandates

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    INDIVIDUAL MANDATES

    Individual mandate to buy healthcare should not be unconstitutional. Healthcare is not a product like broccolli but a service like auto insurance that everyone who has a body should be required to have in case of an illness or accident that send one to ER for medical care that would burden the tax payers.
    If an individual mandate that everyone who has a body buy healthcare is unconstitutional then mandate that every auto owner to buy auto insurance should be unconstitutional also.
    Mandate that auto owners buy auto insurance protect everyone who won a car and drive it. A liability like healthcare and auto insurance is for our own protection. I cannot understand why anyone who has a body do not want healthcare coverage? Or has a car do not want auto insurance?
    Some state require you to buy “uninsured motorist” coverage that protect you form a drive who do not have insurance coverage. If someone hits you that do not have auto insurance, you are covered. But file a claim against your uninsured motorist coverage and your premiums will go up.
    We pay for medical uninsured by higher hospital charges and higher medical care premiums.
    An elderly friend of mine refused to buy into Medicare and had a stroke and guess who paid her bill? The county? Guess who that is? Taxpayers.
    Illegal aliens are not required to carry Medical insurance and use ER for their primary physicians and for delivery reimbursed by the county or state. Tax payers.
    HAWC medical and dental clinic here in Reno,NV has 90% of their patient are illegal or Hispanic and they pay a discount of $40 and the county or state pay the rest of $125.
    If the Constitution state it is not constitutional to mandate one to buy healthcare then the Constitution needs to be amended because this is not 1776 and doctors do not accept chickens and corn as payment for medical care. There was a time when auto insurance and driver license were no required either.
    I should not be required to pay for another person’s medical care if they are financially able to provide for their own. Like illegal aliens who drive into ER in Escalades for free medical care.
     
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    It might cost me money, so lets line them up and shot them at dawn. OK

    Change the law, dont take way my freedoms. Who are you to determine what I can or can not afford?
     
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    Uhhhh... Lil ole loony, Car Insurance is mandated by the state, not the feds. Of course, any state can stop mandating you have car insurance at any time. THAT is why it's constitutional. The feds don't require you to carry insurance. They can't.
     
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    Clearly you’ve not read the Act, or if you have you don’t understand it. Your opposition to the Act is based on partisan, not Constitutional, reasons.

    Your decision to not buy insurance has an effect on the market, which is Constitutionally subject to Congressional regulation.

     
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    I'd stick with this. It was the only part of your post that made any sense.
     
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    You dont anything about me to talk any trash.

    If the government can make you purchase this they can make you buy anything under the guise it may cost someone else.


    Time to bring hats to the mandatory status. The sun causes cancer.
     
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    Well, let's be clear; it's that very interpretation we're disputing. The notion that the power to regulate interstate commerce extends to anything that "substantially effects" interstate commerce, is fantastically broad and essentially gives Congress unlimited power over nearly every aspect of our lives. This statute needs to be reversed. Hopefully the insurance mandate will provide the opportunity.
     
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    Exactly.
    It is not the same also because driving is a privilege governed by the state, therefore it can mandate rules and regulations thereof.
    Healthcare is not a privilege governed by the federal government, therefore it cannot mandate health insurance.

    Kool Aid myth #5248894 debunked.
     
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    You want two different things. You want everyone to pay for their own healthcare, something I agree with, and you want everyone to participate in a system that spreads the cost of healthcare so that anyone who needs healthcare does not actually have to pay for it. Yet, for some reason, you think I am confused.
     
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    How is it a partisan issue? One of the judges that ruled against the mandate was a Democratic appointee, and one that ruled for it was a Republican appointee. I think that proves that the people who do not understand the issues are the ones that are insisting that it is partisan.

    The really funny thing is that almost every libertarian is opposed to the mandate, and libertarians are not all that partisan in the normal left/right sense of the word.
     

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