Incredibly Rare For A Grand Jury To Do This

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It’s Incredibly Rare For A Grand Jury To Do What Ferguson’s Just Did

9:30 PMNov 24 By Ben Casselman



Demonstrators march through the streets on Sunday in St. Louis, Missouri, protesting the shooting death of 18-year-old Michael Brown.


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A St. Louis County grand jury on Monday decided not to indict Ferguson, Missouri, police officer Darren Wilson in the August killing of teenager Michael Brown. The decision wasn’t a surprise — leaks from the grand jury had led most observers to conclude an indictment was unlikely — but it was unusual. Grand juries nearly always decide to indict.


Or at least, they nearly always do so in cases that don’t involve police officers.


Former New York state Chief Judge Sol Wachtler famously remarked that a prosecutor could persuade a grand jury to “indict a ham sandwich.” The data suggests he was barely exaggerating: According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, U.S. attorneys prosecuted 162,000 federal cases in 2010, the most recent year for which we have data. Grand juries declined to return an indictment in 11 of them.


Wilson’s case was heard in state court, not federal, so the numbers aren’t directly comparable. Unlike in federal court, most states, including Missouri, allow prosecutors to bring charges via a preliminary hearing in front of a judge instead of through a grand jury indictment. That means many routine cases never go before a grand jury. Still, legal experts agree that, at any level, it is extremely rare for prosecutors to fail to win an indictment.


“If the prosecutor wants an indictment and doesn’t get one, something has gone horribly wrong,” said Andrew D. Leipold, a University of Illinois law professor who has written critically about grand juries. “It just doesn’t happen.”


Cases involving police shootings, however, appear to be an exception. As my colleague Reuben Fischer-Baum has written, we don’t have good data on officer-involved killings. But newspaper accounts suggest, grand juries frequently decline to indict law-enforcement officials. A recent Houston Chronicle investigation found that “police have been nearly immune from criminal charges in shootings” in Houston and other large cities in recent years. In Harris County, Texas, for example, grand juries haven’t indicted a Houston police officer since 2004; in Dallas, grand juries reviewed 81 shootings between 2008 and 2012 and returned just one indictment. Separate research by Bowling Green State University criminologist Philip Stinson has found that officers are rarely charged in on-duty killings, although it didn’t look at grand jury indictments specifically.


There are at least three possible explanations as to why grand juries are so much less likely to indict police officers. The first is juror bias: Perhaps jurors tend to trust police officer and believe their decisions to use violence are justified, even when the evidence says otherwise. The second is prosecutorial bias: Perhaps prosecutors, who depend on police as they work on criminal cases, tend to present a less compelling case against officers, whether consciously or unconsciously.


The third possible explanation is more benign. Ordinarily, prosecutors only bring a case if they think they can get an indictment. But in high-profile cases such as police shootings, they may feel public pressure to bring charges even if they think they have a weak case.


“The prosecutor in this case didn’t really have a choice about whether he would bring this to a grand jury,” Ben Trachtenberg, a University of Missouri law professor, said of the Brown case. “It’s almost impossible to imagine a prosecutor saying the evidence is so scanty that I’m not even going to bring this before a grand jury.”


The more you read, the worse this smells.
 
Several prosecutors said an indictment could be made, but all said they don't think the case could have resulted in a conviction.

The GJ was correct in not to issue a true-bill. The prosecutor can still file an indictment. He won't.
 
Several prosecutors said an indictment could be made, but all said they don't think the case could have resulted in a conviction.

The GJ was correct in not to issue a true-bill. The prosecutor can still file an indictment. He won't.

I have to agree with JakeStarkey

I don't think it could be proven "beyond reasonable doubt" either way,
but in this case the burden of proof has to be evidence against the officer, and I didn't see that being solid enough.

The REAL issues that CAN be addressed
are the LONGSTANDING grievances not only in the St. Louis area
but other places where people are protesting.

I believe Michael Brown's family has ASKED for positive change to be directed where it can make a HUGE difference.

The same way people are projecting past and outside grievances onto this case,
why not set up council to address these all?

I just read hopeful news that a group in LA actually met and is working with police
to make sure inciteful people don't disrupt their peaceful demonstration. They said
it was a first, for the protestors to meet and work with police in advance, agreeing
on procedures for reporting criminal violence so this is not confused with the ralliers.

The group in Ferguson also tried to set up agreements with law enforcement
and succeeded on many points. But of course, how do you set up agreements
with mobs coming in from out of town to disrupt the place? That, we need to work on!

There is more good that can come of this, that would honor the wishes of
the people of Ferguson, the police and family of Michael Brown. I am reading
more and more about efforts to unite forces and work together, so I respect and support that very much.

Congratulations to the people of Ferguson who are pulling it together
despite the very human grief and anger that is part of the process of dealing with the aftermath.
It looks like people are trying to work together, it isn't perfect, but it's something better than
what happened after Rodney King and after Trayvon Martin. So people are trying and that
effort should be rewarded and supported, encouraged and multiplied.

I am impressed with the good stories I've read of people making efforts to bridge these gaps
and have agreements instead of adversarial obstructions. More power to everyone!
 
oh bullshit you ignorant fucking jackass.

This was only taken to a grand jury to appease the racists. There was no case.

No thats not true. Your buddies in the KKK were against this going to a grand jury. Are you claiming they are not racists?

Dear Asclepias
Just because there were many people with racial motivations on both sides
doesn't belittle the legal questions and process that was going on also.

I think there was a little of everything going on.
Instead of hyperfocusing and projecting onto just Brown's case,
why not have all those crowds look into cases in their own cities that deserve attention and prevention!

We can't save this young man's life
but we can prevent the next person from getting into a confused
confrontation with police.

EX: Sheryl Seymour was a mentally ill artist in Houston shot dead after holding up her palette knife
mistaken as a weapon, or something like that. Because of that, an agreed process was set up with
officers on how to deal with mentally ill patients, and to this date there are specially trained specialists
called in who might even have to tranquilize a patient, instead of risking a deadly confrontation with untrained police.

Why can't all citizens and police in each community have an agreed training program and process,
so we know who is complying who isn't and know what to do if things start to escalate out of hand?

We need to have the same conversation and agreement that these groups
are having with police in their cities and communities. This is long overdue and will help all sides.
 
It's not rare at all. In fact if you understand the Judicial System you'd know this is one of the possibe outcomes.
 
"scores of blacks"? sigh.

If a black officer shot a white guy, would you be freaking? Bet so.
 
oh bullshit you ignorant fucking jackass.

This was only taken to a grand jury to appease the racists. There was no case.

There is always a case when an unarmed man is murdered.

Noomi, in this case, you don't get to attack a cop, period.

Noomi, in this case, if you try to grab a gun or charge the cop, you die.

There was no murder.
 
In relation to this thread on the grand jury's action, we have a lot of folks with authority figure problems, whether at Wilson or Obama or whomever.

If you are a law unto yourselves, you will inherit the logical results of such an attitude.
 
"scores of blacks"? sigh.

If a black officer shot a white guy, would you be freaking? Bet so.

Bet not. Happens all the time. It's just that if it's a cracka that's killed by a nigga, nobody cares. Cracka had it comin'.

Justice for Dillon Taylor sought for white Utah man fatally shot by black officer - Washington Times

Where was the media outrage on that one? You didn't see whites burning down the town, looting, and generally acting like a bunch of fucking animals did you? Nope, peaceful protests only.

The difference between whites and these animalistic bastards.
 
"scores of blacks"? sigh.

If a black officer shot a white guy, would you be freaking? Bet so.

Bet not. Happens all the time. It's just that if it's a cracka that's killed by a nigga, nobody cares. Cracka had it comin'.

Justice for Dillon Taylor sought for white Utah man fatally shot by black officer - Washington Times

Where was the media outrage on that one? You didn't see whites burning down the town, looting, and generally acting like a bunch of fucking animals did you? Nope, peaceful protests only.

The difference between whites and these animalistic bastards.
Hey retard. The officer wasnt Black.
 
"scores of blacks"? sigh.

If a black officer shot a white guy, would you be freaking? Bet so.

Bet not. Happens all the time. It's just that if it's a cracka that's killed by a nigga, nobody cares. Cracka had it comin'. Justice for Dillon Taylor sought for white Utah man fatally shot by black officer - Washington Times Where was the media outrage on that one? You didn't see whites burning down the town, looting, and generally acting like a bunch of fucking animals did you? Nope, peaceful protests only. The difference between whites and these animalistic bastards.

So you are a racist, and as such, much of what you say means nothing.

Scores died in white rioting in Europe and the US after sporting events.
 

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