Incredible Teachings of the Bible

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    Since there's no sub-page for Christianity, I thought I'd start this thread here.

    I know that there are Christians who read the Bible much more than me, so I expect this list to grow considerably!


    Give beer to those who are perishing, wine to those who are in anguish.

    Better to live on a corner of the roof than share a house with a quarrelsome wife.

    Do not eat anything you find already dead. You may give it to an alien living in any of your towns and he may eat it, or you may sell it to a foreigner.

    If only you would be altogether silent! For you, that would be wisdom.

    From there Elisha went up to Bethel. As he was walking along the road some youths came out of the town and jeered at him. "Go on up, you baldhead!" they said. "Go on up, you baldhead!" He turned around, and looked at them and called down a curse on them in the name of the Lord. Then two bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the youths.

    He who blesses his friend with a loud voice early in the morning, it will be reckoned a curse to him.
     
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    LOL. Christianity is a great concept and maybe I would be a Christian, however, Darwin, Nietzche, Rand and Sartre came along and savaged it.

    The Old Testament advocates a lot worse things what you post. For example in the book of Joshua it describes the rape and genocide of the Caananites under the command of God. It is also in the Old Testament where it says that homosexuality is an abomination. I find it interesting that conservative politicians will use the Bible to justify homosexuality but not rape and genocide.

    I am pretty sure that in the NEW testament, it was made very clear that the rules that are laid down in the Old Testament no longer apply. Otherwise, why don't Christians follow kosher and other Jewish traditions? :confused:
     
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    Yes, you are correct. Upon the comming of Jesus, the covenant with moses was replaced with the new covenant. As Jesus said at the last supper:

    Take this cup all of you and drink from it, this is the cup of my blood, the blood of the new and everlasting covenant, which shall be shed for you and all, so that sins maybe forgiven.
     
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    Since Jesus has conveniently invalidated the the inconvenient passages of the Old Testiment, let me then share some incredible teaching from the New Testiment:

    "And the sixth angel sounded, and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar which is before God, saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates. And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men. And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them. And thus I saw the horses in the vision, and them that sat on them, having breastplates of fire, and of jacinth, and brimstone: and the heads of the horses were as the heads of lions; and out of their mouths issued fire and smoke and brimstone."

    Oh what joys we await at the behest of our merciful God!
     
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    To be fair to Christians, they honestly believe that all people who are killed are either going to heaven, or screwed anyways by their non-belief, so it doesn't really matter. If I was a real Christian I would probably become a pastor because Christianity puts so much importance on faith... if a person is not saved they go to hell forever! That would mean that the most important thing in the world you can do is to save as many as you can.
     
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    I have found that quoting the Bible (or the Koran, for that matter) out of context, can make for some thoughts or ideas that aren't really there.
    So, in response:
    1. Here's the whole passage (Proverbs 31:4-7)
    "It is not for kings, O Lemuel- not for kings to drink wine, not for rulers to crave beer, lest they drink and forget what the law decrees, and deprive all the oppressed of their rights. Give beer to those who are perishing, wine to those who are in anguish; let them drink and forget their poverty and remember their misery no more." It is primarily a warning against rulers getting drunk.
    2. This is a proverb of Solomon, which is meant to warn people of constatnly fighting with one's wife, or marrying someone who is prone to quarrel.
    3. Part of the dietary law of the OT. The dietary law was declared obsolete by Jesus.
    4. This is Job 13:5. Job is admonishing his friends, who have accused him of receiving the just punishment for his sins. Job counters that his friends have no idea what they are talking about.
    5. Elisha had just been made God's greatest prophet, after Elijah had been taken to heaven. So for a bunch of youths (BTW - this word is more properly translated 'teens' rather than kids) started taunting him, what should have been done? Should the greatest prophet in the land have endured the jeering? If a bunch of teens could jeer a prophet, why would anyone else listen to him? So, while it is a pretty extreme judgment, it was done to establish Elisha's authority as a prophet.
    6. Would you like to be woken up early in the morning by someone shouting at you? That's the whole point of this proverb.
     
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    I have never read anything that justified the rape of the Caananites. In fact, I have never read anywhere in the Bible where rape was justified.
    Homosexuality is condemed in the Old and New Testaments.
    As far as the OT law, the dietary/kosher laws were done away with, but the moral law was not. That was made quite clear by Jesus, who stated that He came to fulfill the Law and the Prophets (i.e. the OT).
     
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    Very impressive, Jeff! Now, if only people could do the same when the Koran is taken out of context.

    And no, I wouldn't like to be woken up in the morning (or from an afternoon nap) by someone shouting at me.

    I'll also make very sure that my children never ever jeer a prophet!
     
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    :laugh: I am not familiar with the Koran... so I have no idea how accurate some of the quotes are that people post.
     
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    Where is homosexuality condemned in the New Testament?

    Genocide...

    Joshua 6
    1 Now Jericho was tightly shut up because of the Israelites. No one went out and no one came in.
    2 Then the LORD said to Joshua, "See, I have delivered Jericho into your hands, along with its king and its fighting men.

    20 When the trumpets sounded, the people shouted, and at the sound of the trumpet, when the people gave a loud shout, the wall collapsed; so every man charged straight in, and they took the city. 21 They devoted the city to the LORD and destroyed with the sword every living thing in it-men and women, young and old, cattle, sheep and donkeys.

    Joshua 8
    1 Then the LORD said to Joshua, "Do not be afraid; do not be discouraged. Take the whole army with you, and go up and attack Ai. For I have delivered into your hands the king of Ai, his people, his city and his land.

    24 When Israel had finished killing all the men of Ai in the fields and in the desert where they had chased them, and when every one of them had been put to the sword, all the Israelites returned to Ai and killed those who were in it. 25 Twelve thousand men and women fell that day-all the people of Ai.

    Joshua 10
    16 Now the five kings had fled and hidden in the cave at Makkedah...26 Then Joshua struck and killed the kings and hung them on five trees, and they were left hanging on the trees until evening...28 That day Joshua took Makkedah. He put the city and its king to the sword and totally destroyed everyone in it. He left no survivors. And he did to the king of Makkedah as he had done to the king of Jericho.

    29 Then Joshua and all Israel with him moved on from Makkedah to Libnah and attacked it. 30 The LORD also gave that city and its king into Israel's hand. The city and everyone in it Joshua put to the sword. He left no survivors there.

    32 The LORD handed Lachish over to Israel, and Joshua took it on the second day. The city and everyone in it he put to the sword, just as he had done to Libnah.

    34 Then Joshua and all Israel with him moved on from Lachish to Eglon; they took up positions against it and attacked it. 35 They captured it that same day and put it to the sword and totally destroyed everyone in it, just as they had done to Lachish.

    36 Then Joshua and all Israel with him went up from Eglon to Hebron and attacked it. 37 They took the city and put it to the sword, together with its king, its villages and everyone in it. They left no survivors. Just as at Eglon, they totally destroyed it and everyone in it.
    38 Then Joshua and all Israel with him turned around and attacked Debir. 39 They took the city, its king and its villages, and put them to the sword. Everyone in it they totally destroyed. They left no survivors. They did to Debir and its king as they had done to Libnah and its king and to Hebron.
    40 So Joshua subdued the whole region, including the hill country, the Negev, the western foothills and the mountain slopes, together with all their kings. He left no survivors. He totally destroyed all who breathed, just as the LORD , the God of Israel, had commanded

    Joshua 11
    1 When Jabin king of Hazor heard of this, he sent word ... 4 They came out with all their troops and a large number of horses and chariots-a huge army, as numerous as the sand on the seashore...7 So Joshua and his whole army came against them suddenly at the Waters of Merom and attacked them...

    10 At that time Joshua turned back and captured Hazor and put its king to the sword. (Hazor had been the head of all these kingdoms.) 11 Everyone in it they put to the sword. They totally destroyed [2] them, not sparing anything that breathed, and he burned up Hazor itself.

    12 Joshua took all these royal cities and their kings and put them to the sword. He totally destroyed them, as Moses the servant of the LORD had commanded. 13 Yet Israel did not burn any of the cities built on their mounds-except Hazor, which Joshua burned. 14 The Israelites carried off for themselves all the plunder and livestock of these cities, but all the people they put to the sword until they completely destroyed them, not sparing anyone that breathed.

    20 For it was the LORD himself who hardened their hearts to wage war against Israel, so that he might destroy them totally, exterminating them without mercy, as the LORD had commanded Moses.

    Rape...

    Numbers 31
    1 The LORD said to Moses, 2 "Take vengeance on the Midianites for the Israelites. After that, you will be gathered to your people."
    3 So Moses said to the people, "Arm some of your men to go to war against the Midianites and to carry out the LORD's vengeance on them...14 Moses was angry with the officers of the army-the commanders of thousands and commanders of hundreds-who returned from the battle. 15 "Have you allowed all the women to live?" he asked them. 16 "They were the ones who followed Balaam's advice and were the means of turning the Israelites away from the LORD in what happened at Peor, so that a plague struck the LORD's people. 17 Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, 18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.

    Numbers 31
    Dividing the Spoils:
    32 The plunder remaining from the spoils that the soldiers took was 675,000 sheep, 33 72,000 cattle, 34 61,000 donkeys 35 and 32,000 women who had never slept with a man.
    36 The half share of those who fought in the battle was:
    337,500 sheep, 37 of which the tribute for the LORD was 675;
    38 36,000 cattle, of which the tribute for the LORD was 72;
    39 30,500 donkeys, of which the tribute for the LORD was 61;
    40 16,000 people, of which the tribute for the LORD was 32. ... human sacrifice?

    Deuteronomy 20
    13 When the LORD your God delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the men in it. 14 As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves. And you may use the plunder the LORD your God gives you from your enemies. 15 This is how you are to treat all the cities that are at a distance from you and do not belong to the nations nearby.

    :clap: :clap: :clap: (congratulations, Old Testament)
     

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