In this thread: I destroy liberal Ideology by playing the part of a liberal

[bobcollum]

What did Liberals do that was so offensive to the Republican Party? I'll tell you what they did. Liberals got women the right to vote. Liberals got African-Americans the right to vote. Liberals created Social Security and hence lifted millions of elderly people out of poverty. Liberals ended racial segregation. Liberals passed the Civil Rights Act. Liberals passed the Voting Rights Act. Liberals created Medicaire. Liberals passed the Clean Air Act. *Liberals passed the Clean Water Act. And what did CONSERVATIVES do? They OPPOSED Liberals on EVERY ONE of those things, EVERY ONE. So when you try to hurl that label at my feet, 'Liberal', as if it were something to be ashamed of, something dirty, something to run away from, IT WON'T WORK, because I will pick up that label and I will wear it as a badge of honor."

Lawrence O'Donnell Jr.

Did you know that Lawrence O'Donnell Jr. is an admitted socialist who writes Hollywood TV scripts?

I can't believe you thought that was significant.

 

[jillian]

/beginLiberalism

I am against swimming. It's gross, unhealthy, and unnatural. If humans were meant to swim, whether in pools, oceans, or lakes, we would have fins.

Swimming goes against my personal, abstract beliefs. Therefore, I will stop at nothing until swimming is banned for everyone. I also believe the government should stay out of our lives and that we own our own body--unless there is something I don't like, in which case I want tyranny of the majority to push for government force to make it illegal. I'm better than you if you think otherwise.

/end being a liberal

you're a moron...

 

[Vast LWC]

/beginLiberalism

I am against swimming. It's gross, unhealthy, and unnatural. If humans were meant to swim, whether in pools, oceans, or lakes, we would have fins.

Swimming goes against my personal, abstract beliefs. Therefore, I will stop at nothing until swimming is banned for everyone. I also believe the government should stay out of our lives and that we own our own body--unless there is something I don't like, in which case I want tyranny of the majority to push for government force to make it illegal. I'm better than you if you think otherwise.

/end being a liberal

Once again, a right-winger confuses "Authoritarian" with "Liberal".

Sigh.

Fox is right, she would make a better liberal than you.

 

[Vast LWC]

There are Right and Left wing Authoritarians.

Being a Liberal has nothing to do with it.

 

[Foxfyre]

/beginLiberalism

I am against swimming. It's gross, unhealthy, and unnatural. If humans were meant to swim, whether in pools, oceans, or lakes, we would have fins.

Swimming goes against my personal, abstract beliefs. Therefore, I will stop at nothing until swimming is banned for everyone. I also believe the government should stay out of our lives and that we own our own body--unless there is something I don't like, in which case I want tyranny of the majority to push for government force to make it illegal. I'm better than you if you think otherwise.

/end being a liberal

Once again, a right-winger confuses "Authoritarian" with "Liberal".

Sigh.

Fox is right, she would make a better liberal than you.

Well no, not exactly. Many here missed the spirit of humor in the O.P. and many more completely missed the point of the exercise. But 'liberal' does not mean authoritarian in most European countries but iin the modern day American vernacular it has become precisely that: progressives/leftists/liberals are the statists or political class who support and promote an ever bigger, more powerful, more influential federal government.

 

[frazzledgear]

What did Liberals do that was so offensive to the Republican Party? I'll tell you what they did. Liberals got women the right to vote. Liberals got African-Americans the right to vote. Liberals created Social Security and hence lifted millions of elderly people out of poverty. Liberals ended racial segregation. Liberals passed the Civil Rights Act. Liberals passed the Voting Rights Act. Liberals created Medicaire. Liberals passed the Clean Air Act. *Liberals passed the Clean Water Act. And what did CONSERVATIVES do? They OPPOSED Liberals on EVERY ONE of those things, EVERY ONE. So when you try to hurl that label at my feet, 'Liberal', as if it were something to be ashamed of, something dirty, something to run away from, IT WON'T WORK, because I will pick up that label and I will wear it as a badge of honor."

Lawrence O'Donnell Jr.

You know if I voted with Democrats maybe I'd keep trying to re-write history too in order to deceive people into believing Democrats owned the history of Republicans and Republicans owned the filthy, disgusting, despicable, anti-human being history of Democrats. Democrats opposed equal rights for anybody at every stage whether it was former slaves, blacks or women. Democrats were the slave owners; Democrats =KKK; Democrats=the segregationist Dixiecrat party, nearly all of whom rejoined the Democrat party upon its collapse with no questions asked and no demands to leave their filthy racism at the door; Democrats were deeply divided over women's suffrage and deeply divided over civil rights. Their contempt for the very people they claim to have their best interests at heart is so thinly disguised as to be laughable. Do you SERIOUSLY think it is somehow "pro-woman" to put out an asinine video of the Life of Julia showing her looking to government as her sugar daddy instead of being a self-reliant woman capable of making her own way in life, capable of establishing and maintaining a valuable partnership with another human being instead of a faceless institution? There was nothing "pro woman" in that offensive video -and the reason they used a woman is because among the left it is more palatable watching a woman demean herself with an existence dependent on government at every stage of her life than to see a wimp ass MAN to do it, right? ROFL

Republicans wrote the 19th Amendment, it was passed by a Republican Congress. Democrat and ultra leftwing President Woodrow Wilson OPPOSED IT, stating he believed women were NOT the equal of men and should not have the same rights as men, especially not the same voting rights. It was Republicans who busted their asses to get it passed by the states. NOT Democrats and sure as hell NOT MODERN LIBERALS who have simply glommed onto the word "liberal" and bastardized it for their own agenda. Modern liberals are leftwing extremists in the mold of Marx -NOT Locke whom they actually despise. Likewise the true liberals of the past like Locke would and did despise the kind of state modern liberals seek to impose on us all. Stealing the name in the hopes it will convince people the history of those whose name you stole and in reality actually despise now magically belongs to you as well -is a tried and true communist stunt, written about many times and still in operation. Liberals stole the name of the very people whose politics they absolutely abhor and despise and oppose -in the hopes people believed the values the true liberals espoused were actually theirs as well when they are not. Democrats can't steal the Republican name -but they have spent more than 3 decades actively trying to deceive people into believing they own the history of the Republican party and the Republican party owns their disgusting history.

I'll let you in on a secret. Democrats never changed their stripes in spite of pretending they did. They simply RETURNED to camouflaging their always existing racism under a thin patina of paternalistic racism instead. They RETURNED to the EXACT same kind of racism they used to justify their slave ownership that was so successful at keeping blacks on their plantation then -and is just as effective at keeping them on their plantation today. Do not kid yourself -Democrats have always known how to keep their slaves on their plantation and you only need to see how vicious they are to any slave who leaves their plantation to realize just how thinly they have covered their true and unchanged nature.

Slave owning Democrats said blacks were like children, they couldn't be expected to take care of themselves, couldn't be expected to provide for themselves, couldn't be expected to take responsibility for their own lives, they couldn't be expected to do any of these things and therefore expectations must be lowered for them. They insisted it was cruel and unfair to expect blacks to be able to provide for themselves -and were much better off leaving that up to their white masters who would take care of them. Not a fucking thing has changed in their message to and about blacks today. Not one fucking thing. THAT is how the Democrat party was finally able to heal the deep division in their party with regard to blacks -paternalistic racism. It makes dumb ass whites feel good while allowing them to still look down their noses at blacks as being inferior and incompetent at the same time it allows the vicious and blatant racists like the KKK poobah Robert Byrd and segregationalist George Wallace wallow in the racism they never abandoned. (No one bother with any post pretending these two ever REALLY renounced their racism -they did NOT. They simply figured out they caught more flies with honey than vinegar and relied on paternalistic racism instead of blatant and overt racism. Like the majority of Democrats were already doing by then.) Some people mock the idea that even generations after the end of slavery that remnants of a slave mentality can still exist and be passed down through the generations -but it can and it does. Overt racism is easier for blacks to deal with -they can see that coming, it's upfront and they can recognize it for what it is and confront it. But paternalistic racism is stealth evil. It saps the soul, it is a sweet tasting poison and it has destroyed black families and their communities and left them a wasteland. Paternalistic racism works -especially in a population encouraged to maintain a generational slave mentality and avoid the long overdue mental emancipation they need to go along with the physical one.

And then Democrats had the balls to turn around and insist it was those who refused to wallow in that paternalistic racism with them, those who refused to agree that blacks couldn't possibly be expected to succeed in life unless expectations were lowered and encouraged to become dependent on government handouts -were the real "racists". Unless I agree blacks can't possibly be expected to succeed unless expectations are lowered for them -I'M THE RACIST? That is Democrats in action though and the evil of their paternalistic racism that exists in an unbroken chain all along.

I'd slit my own throat before joining the Democrat Party and thereby put my stamp of approval on a political party that belongs in the trash heap. And I'd slit it even faster before becoming a modern liberal who thrives on lethal lies, self-delusion, the lack of any critical thinking skills and clings to a truly horrific political ideology that where imposed and put into the only possible way to practice it - ended up responsible for the deaths and murders of more than 70 million of their OWN citizens. Take that pile of shit to the trash heap too and set fire to it.

 

[Clementine]

rip those swimming pools out....!

ban lakes, ponds, rivers, and oceans.....!

teach anti-swimming in the schools....!

tax the hell out of those who do swim....!

Actually, the pools were set to close this year unless they spent thousands to make the pools handicap accessible. The administration gave them a temporary reprieve, at least to get Barack through the election. Next year, most pools will close because they don't have the money to rebuild the pools with lifts. That's right, since the pools weren't originally designed to accomodate the handicapped, no one will swim.

 

[Liberty]

frazzle just won this thread.

 

[KevinWestern]

frazzle just won this thread.

I think I disagree with you on this.

Personally, I don’t think the Democratic Party that existed during the time of slavery, or the Democratic Party that supported and helped originate the KKK is the same Modern Democratic Party that we see today. The Democratic Party, as well as the Republican Party, have both undergone some pretty significant changes over the past 150 years in ideology, what types of people they attract, and (ultimately) what they represent.

For instance, when the Democrats spearheaded the Civil Rights movement in the 1960’s, do you think those same Dixie Democrats who ran plantations about 100 years earlier still stayed with the party (supporting the equality between blacks and whites), or do you think they merged elsewhere?

Do you think the Klu Klux Klan still supports the modern day Democratic party – and all of the affirmative action legislation, same-sex marriage support, and secularist non-religious initiatives? I highly doubt it.

I think that’s why Frazzle’s argument doesn’t move me a whole lot…

Note that I’m no Democrat, but those are just my thoughts.

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[BlindBoo]

/beginLiberalism

I am against swimming. It's gross, unhealthy, and unnatural. If humans were meant to swim, whether in pools, oceans, or lakes, we would have fins.

Swimming goes against my personal, abstract beliefs. Therefore, I will stop at nothing until swimming is banned for everyone. I also believe the government should stay out of our lives and that we own our own body--unless there is something I don't like, in which case I want tyranny of the majority to push for government force to make it illegal. I'm better than you if you think otherwise.

/end being a liberal

Who would have guessed it. Liberals are actually authortarian statist pushing for a police state. No wait, that's the Republicrats or the Demoblicans??? I'm not sure.......

 

[Sallow]

/beginLiberalism

I am against swimming. It's gross, unhealthy, and unnatural. If humans were meant to swim, whether in pools, oceans, or lakes, we would have fins.

Swimming goes against my personal, abstract beliefs. Therefore, I will stop at nothing until swimming is banned for everyone. I also believe the government should stay out of our lives and that we own our own body--unless there is something I don't like, in which case I want tyranny of the majority to push for government force to make it illegal. I'm better than you if you think otherwise.

/end being a liberal

You know, I've never heard a "liberal" say anything like that.

But it certainly looks like the standard conservative opinion on gay marriage.

im a libertarian, conservatives are just as ideologically bankrupt as liberals in my book.

Which is why..in thread after thread..you misrepresent Liberal "ideology"..which stresses tolerance, for the most part, for all races, ethnicities, orientation, religion and political viewpoints.

And what you contend here..falls very much into how conservatives view issues.

 

[Sallow]

What did Liberals do that was so offensive to the Republican Party? I'll tell you what they did. Liberals got women the right to vote. Liberals got African-Americans the right to vote. Liberals created Social Security and hence lifted millions of elderly people out of poverty. Liberals ended racial segregation. Liberals passed the Civil Rights Act. Liberals passed the Voting Rights Act. Liberals created Medicaire. Liberals passed the Clean Air Act. *Liberals passed the Clean Water Act. And what did CONSERVATIVES do? They OPPOSED Liberals on EVERY ONE of those things, EVERY ONE. So when you try to hurl that label at my feet, 'Liberal', as if it were something to be ashamed of, something dirty, something to run away from, IT WON'T WORK, because I will pick up that label and I will wear it as a badge of honor."

Lawrence O'Donnell Jr.

You know if I voted with Democrats maybe I'd keep trying to re-write history in order to deceive people into believing Democrats owned the history of Republicans and Republicans owned the filthy, disgusting, despicable, anti-human being history of Democrats. Democrats opposed equal rights for anybody at every stage whether it was former slaves, blacks or women. Democrats were the slave owners; Democrats =KKK; Democrats=the segregationist Dixiecrat party, nearly all of whom rejoined the Democrat party upon its collapse with no questions asked and no demands to leave their filthy racism at the door; Democrats were deeply divided over women's suffrage and deeply divided over civil rights. Their contempt for the very people they claim to have their best interests at heart is so thinly disguised as to be laughable. Do you SERIOUSLY think it is somehow "pro-woman" to put out an asinine video of the Life of Julia showing her looking to government as her sugar daddy instead of being a self-reliant woman capable of making her own way in life, capable of establishing and maintaining a valuable partnership with another human being instead of a faceless institution? There was nothing "pro woman" in that offensive video -and the reason they used a woman is because among the left it is more palatable watching a woman demean herself with an existence dependent on government at every stage of her life than to see a wimp ass MAN to do it, right? ROFL

Republicans wrote the 19th Amendment, it was passed by a Republican Congress. Democrat and ultra leftwing President Woodrow Wilson OPPOSED IT, stating he believed women were NOT the equal of men and should not have the same rights as men, especially not the same voting rights. It was Republicans who busted their asses to get it passed by the states. NOT Democrats and sure as hell NOT MODERN LIBERALS who have simply glommed onto the word "liberal" and bastardized it for their own agenda. Modern liberals are leftwing extremists in the mold of Marx -NOT Locke whom they actually despise. Likewise the true liberals of the past like Locke would and did despise the kind of state modern liberals seek to impose on us all. Stealing the name in the hopes it will convince people the history of those whose name you stole and in reality actually despise now magically belongs to you as well -is a tried and true communist stunt, written about many times and still in operation. Liberals stole the name of the very people whose politics they absolutely abhor and despise and oppose -in the hopes people believed the values the true liberals espoused were actually theirs as well when they are not. Democrats can't steal the Republican name -but they have spent more than 3 decades actively trying to deceive people into believing they own the history of the Republican party and the Republican party owns their disgusting history.

I'll let you in on a secret. Democrats never changed their stripes in spite of pretending they did. They simply RETURNED to camouflaging their always existing racism under a thin patina of paternalistic racism instead. They RETURNED to the EXACT same kind of racism they used to justify their slave ownership that was so successful at keeping blacks on their plantation then -and is just as effective at keeping them on their plantation today. Do not kid yourself -Democrats have always known how to keep their slaves on their plantation and you only need to see how vicious they are to any slave who leaves their plantation to realize just how thinly they have covered their true and unchanged nature.

Slave owning Democrats said blacks were like children, they couldn't be expected to take care of themselves, couldn't be expected to provide for themselves, couldn't be expected to take responsibility for their own lives, they couldn't be expected to do any of these things and therefore expectations must be lowered for them. They insisted it was cruel and unfair to expect blacks to be able to provide for themselves -and were much better off leaving that up to their white masters who would take care of them. Not a fucking thing has changed in their message to and about blacks today. Not one fucking thing. THAT is how the Democrat party was finally able to heal the deep division in their party with regard to blacks -paternalistic racism. It makes dumb ass whites feel good while allowing them to still look down their noses at blacks as being inferior and incompetent at the same time it allows the vicious and blatant racists like the KKK poobah Robert Byrd and segregationalist George Wallace wallow in the racism they never abandoned. (No one bother with any post pretending these two ever REALLY renounced their racism -they did NOT. They simply figured out they caught more flies with honey than vinegar and relied on paternalistic racism instead of blatant and overt racism. Like the majority of Democrats were already doing by then.) Some people mock the idea that even generations after the end of slavery that remnants of a slave mentality can still exist and be passed down through the generations -but it can and it does. Overt racism is easier for blacks to deal with -they can see that coming, it's upfront and they can recognize it for what it is and confront it. But paternalistic racism is stealth evil. It saps the soul, it is a sweet tasting poison and it has destroyed black families and their communities and left them a wasteland. Paternalistic racism works -especially in a population encouraged to maintain a generational slave mentality and avoid the long overdue mental emancipation they need to go along with the physical one.

And then Democrats had the balls to turn around and insist it was those who refused to wallow in that paternalistic racism with them, those who refused to agree that blacks couldn't possibly be expected to succeed in life unless expectations were lowered and encouraged to become dependent on government handouts -were the real "racists". Unless I agree blacks can't possibly be expected to succeed unless expectations are lowered for them -I'M THE RACIST? That is Democrats in action though and the evil of their paternalistic racism that exists in an unbroken chain all along.

I'd slit my own throat before joining the Democrat Party and thereby put my stamp of approval on a political party that belongs in the trash heap. And I'd slit it even faster before becoming a modern liberal who thrives on lethal lies, self-delusion, the lack of any critical thinking skills and clings to a truly horrific political ideology that where imposed and put into the only possible way to practice it - ended up responsible for the deaths and murders of more than 70 million of their OWN citizens. Take that pile of shit to the trash heap too and set fire to it.

You've got a weird and myopic view of history.

You've conveniently forgotten that most of the Founding Fathers..were slave owners. And that the issue is not Democrat vs. Republican..but Liberal vs. Conservative.

Conservatives are mainly into tradition..and take regressive stances on almost every issue. Slave owning was one of them.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

frazzle just won this thread.

I think I disagree with you on this.

Personally, I don’t think the Democratic Party that existed during the time of slavery, or the Democratic Party that supported and helped originate the KKK is the same Modern Democratic Party that we see today. The Democratic Party, as well as the Republican Party, have both undergone some pretty significant changes over the past 150 years in ideology, what types of people they attract, and (ultimately) what they represent.

For instance, when the Democrats spearheaded the Civil Rights movement in the 1960’s, do you think those same Dixie Democrats who ran plantations about 100 years earlier still stayed with the party (supporting the equality between blacks and whites), or do you think they merged elsewhere?

Do you think the Klu Klux Klan still supports the modern day Democratic party – and all of the affirmative action legislation, same-sex marriage support, and secularist non-religious initiatives? I highly doubt it.

I think that’s why Frazzle’s argument doesn’t move me a whole lot…

Note that I’m no Democrat, but those are just my thoughts.

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Democrat opposition to the Civil Rights Movement:

A little known fact of history involves the heavy opposition to the civil rights movement by several prominent Democrats. Similar historical neglect is given to the important role Republicans played in supporting the civil rights movement. A calculation of 26 major civil rights votes from 1933 through the 1960's civil rights era shows that Republicans favored civil rights in approximately 96% of the votes, whereas the Democrats opposed them in 80% of the votes! These facts are often intentionally overlooked by the left wing Democrats for obvious reasons. In some cases, the Democrats have told flat out lies about their shameful record during the civil rights movement.

Democrat Senators organized the record Senate filibuster of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Included among the organizers were several prominent and well known liberal Democrat standard bearers including:

- Robert Byrd, current senator from West Virginia
- J. William Fulbright, Arkansas senator and political mentor of Bill Clinton
- Albert Gore Sr., Tennessee senator, father and political mentor of Al Gore. Gore Jr. has been known to lie about his father's opposition to the Civil Rights Act.
- Sam Ervin, North Carolina senator of Watergate hearings fame
- Richard Russell, famed Georgia senator and later President Pro Tempore

The complete list of the 21 Democrats who opposed the Civil Rights Act of 1964 includes Senators:

- Hill and Sparkman of Alabama
- Fulbright and McClellan of Arkansas
- Holland and Smathers of Florida
- Russell and Talmadge of Georgia
- Ellender and Long of Louisiana
- Eastland and Stennis of Mississippi
- Ervin and Jordan of North Carolina
- Johnston and Thurmond of South Carolina
- Gore Sr. and Walters of Tennessee
- H. Byrd and Robertson of Virginia
- R. Byrd of West Virginia

Democrat opposition to the Civil Rights Act was substantial enough to literally split the party in two. A whopping 40% of the House Democrats VOTED AGAINST the Civil Rights Act, while 80% of Republicans SUPPORTED it. Republican support in the Senate was even higher. Similar trends occurred with the Voting Rights Act of 1965, which was supported by 82% of House Republicans and 94% of Senate Republicans. The same Democrat standard bearers took their normal racists stances, this time with Senator Fulbright leading the opposition effort.

It took the hard work of Republican Senate Minority Leader Everett Dirksen and Republican Whip Thomas Kuchel to pass the Civil Rights Act (Dirksen was presented a civil rights accomplishment award for the year by the head of the NAACP in recognition of his efforts). Upon breaking the Democrat filibuster of the 1964 Civil Rights Act, Republican Dirksen took to the Senate floor and exclaimed "The time has come for equality of opportunity in sharing in government, in education, and in employment. It will not be stayed or denied. It is here!" (Full text of speech). Sadly, Democrats and revisionist historians have all but forgotten (and intentionally so) that it was Republican Dirksen, not the divided Democrats, who made the Civil Rights Act a reality. Dirksen also broke the Democrat filibuster of the 1957 Civil Rights Act that was signed by Republican President Eisenhower.

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The next time Democrats take to the national airwaves to dishonestly accuse Republicans of racial hatred, remember who the historical record up until this very day points to as the real bigots: The Democrat Party. In all possible ways, the Democrat Party is built around the pillars of ultra leftists, many of whom are known participants in racism and/or affiliates of racist hate groups. Consider the Democrat Party of today's heroes and leaders:

- Franklin Delano Roosevelt, Democrat icon and orchestrator of Japanese Internment
- Ex-House Minority Leader Dick Gephardt, former affiliate of a St. Louis area racist group
- Ex-Senate President Pro Tempore Robert Byrd, former Ku Klux Klansman known for making bigoted slurs on national television
- Rev. Jesse Jackson, Democrat keynote speaker and race hustler known for making anti-Semitic slurs
- Rev. Al Sharpten, Democrat activist and perennial candidate and race hustler known inciting anti-Semitic violence in New York City
- Sen. Ernest Hollings, leading Democrat Senator known for use of racial slurs against several minority groups
- Lee P. Brown, former Clinton cabinet official and Democrat mayor of Houston who won reelection using racial intimidation against Hispanic voters
- Andrew Cuomo, former Clinton cabinet official and Democrat candidate for NY Governor who made racist statements about a black opponent.
- Dan Rather, Democrat CBS news anchor and editorialist known for using anti-black racial epithets on a national radio broadcast
- Donna Brazile, former Gore campaign manager known for making anti-white racial attacks. Brazile has also worked for Jackson, Gephardt, and Michael Dukakis

The simple truth is that the Democrat Party's history during this century is one closely aligned to bigotry in a record stemming largely out of the liberal New Deal era up until the modern day. Bigots are at the center of the Democrat party's current leadership and role models. And in a striking display of hypocrisy, many of the same Democrats who dishonestly shout accusations of "bigotry" at conservatives are practicing bigots of the most disgusting and disreputable kind themselves.

The Democrat Party’s Long and Shameful History of Bigotry and Racism

 

[KevinWestern]

You know, I've never heard a "liberal" say anything like that.

But it certainly looks like the standard conservative opinion on gay marriage.

im a libertarian, conservatives are just as ideologically bankrupt as liberals in my book.

Which is why..in thread after thread..you misrepresent Liberal "ideology"..which stresses tolerance, for the most part, for all races, ethnicities, orientation, religion and political viewpoints.

And what you contend here..falls very much into how conservatives view issues.

The Democrats (Liberals) generally hold:

1.) Non-statist social views; everyone should be treated equally under the law, there should be no preferential treatment of any one religion at the state level, ect.
2.) Statist views when it comes to taxes, welfare, regulations, ect, and the idea of a somehwat “we know best” wealth redistribution collectivist-state.

The Republicans (Conservatives) generally hold:

1.) Non-statist views when it comes to taxes, welfare, regulations, and believe that people shouldn’t be forced to pay for things by the federal government and should be allowed to make their own choices about where their money goes or how to run a business, ect.
2.) Statist social views; only a man and woman should be allowed to marry, it’s okay for the state to legislate morality, ect.

My suggestion is that we merge the non-statist social views of the Democrats, with the non-statist fiscal views of the Republicans, and form (essentially) what is the Libertarian platform:

1.) Non-statist social views; everyone should be treated equally under the law, there should be no preferential treatment of any one religion at the state level, ect.
2.) Non-statist views when it comes to taxes, welfare, regulations, and believe that people shouldn’t be forced to pay for things by the federal government and should be allowed to make their own choices about where their money goes or how to run a business, ect.

Anyone agree?



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[BlindBoo]

frazzle just won this thread.

Was the contest partisan hackery?

Frazzle assumed every Democrat thoughout history was a liberal, whereas the orginal quote never identifies liberals and what they accomplished with either party.

Like slavery, civil rights was a North/South issue. Southerners(Dems and Reps) opposed it and Northerners (Dems and Reps) supported it.

 

[g5000]

/beginLiberalism

I am against swimming. It's gross, unhealthy, and unnatural. If humans were meant to swim, whether in pools, oceans, or lakes, we would have fins.

Swimming goes against my personal, abstract beliefs. Therefore, I will stop at nothing until swimming is banned for everyone. I also believe the government should stay out of our lives and that we own our own body--unless there is something I don't like, in which case I want tyranny of the majority to push for government force to make it illegal. I'm better than you if you think otherwise.

/end being a liberal

That is just too hypocritical to pass up.

/begin UnConservatism

I am against homosexuality. It's gross, unhealthy, and unnatural. If men were meant to have sex with men, whether in pools, oceans, or bath houses, we would be able to get pregnant.

Homosexuality goes against my personal, abstract beliefs. Therefore, I will stop at nothing until homosexuality is banned for everyone. I also believe the government should stay out of our lives and that we own our own body--unless there is something I don't like, in which case I want tyranny of the majority to push for government force to make it illegal. I'm better than you if you think otherwise.

/end being an UnConservative

 

[BlindBoo]

frazzle just won this thread.

I think I disagree with you on this.

Personally, I don’t think the Democratic Party that existed during the time of slavery, or the Democratic Party that supported and helped originate the KKK is the same Modern Democratic Party that we see today. The Democratic Party, as well as the Republican Party, have both undergone some pretty significant changes over the past 150 years in ideology, what types of people they attract, and (ultimately) what they represent.

For instance, when the Democrats spearheaded the Civil Rights movement in the 1960’s, do you think those same Dixie Democrats who ran plantations about 100 years earlier still stayed with the party (supporting the equality between blacks and whites), or do you think they merged elsewhere?

Do you think the Klu Klux Klan still supports the modern day Democratic party – and all of the affirmative action legislation, same-sex marriage support, and secularist non-religious initiatives? I highly doubt it.

I think that’s why Frazzle’s argument doesn’t move me a whole lot…

Note that I’m no Democrat, but those are just my thoughts.

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Democrat opposition to the Civil Rights Movement:

A little known fact of history involves the heavy opposition to the civil rights movement by several prominent Democrats. Similar historical neglect is given to the important role Republicans played in supporting the civil rights movement. A calculation of 26 major civil rights votes from 1933 through the 1960's civil rights era shows that Republicans favored civil rights in approximately 96% of the votes, whereas the Democrats opposed them in 80% of the votes! These facts are often intentionally overlooked by the left wing Democrats for obvious reasons. In some cases, the Democrats have told flat out lies about their shameful record during the civil rights movement.

Democrat Senators organized the record Senate filibuster of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Included among the organizers were several prominent and well known liberal Democrat standard bearers including:

- Robert Byrd, current senator from West Virginia
- J. William Fulbright, Arkansas senator and political mentor of Bill Clinton
- Albert Gore Sr., Tennessee senator, father and political mentor of Al Gore. Gore Jr. has been known to lie about his father's opposition to the Civil Rights Act.
- Sam Ervin, North Carolina senator of Watergate hearings fame
- Richard Russell, famed Georgia senator and later President Pro Tempore

The complete list of the 21 Democrats who opposed the Civil Rights Act of 1964 includes Senators:

- Hill and Sparkman of Alabama
- Fulbright and McClellan of Arkansas
- Holland and Smathers of Florida
- Russell and Talmadge of Georgia
- Ellender and Long of Louisiana
- Eastland and Stennis of Mississippi
- Ervin and Jordan of North Carolina
- Johnston and Thurmond of South Carolina
- Gore Sr. and Walters of Tennessee
- H. Byrd and Robertson of Virginia
- R. Byrd of West Virginia

Democrat opposition to the Civil Rights Act was substantial enough to literally split the party in two. A whopping 40% of the House Democrats VOTED AGAINST the Civil Rights Act, while 80% of Republicans SUPPORTED it. Republican support in the Senate was even higher. Similar trends occurred with the Voting Rights Act of 1965, which was supported by 82% of House Republicans and 94% of Senate Republicans. The same Democrat standard bearers took their normal racists stances, this time with Senator Fulbright leading the opposition effort.

It took the hard work of Republican Senate Minority Leader Everett Dirksen and Republican Whip Thomas Kuchel to pass the Civil Rights Act (Dirksen was presented a civil rights accomplishment award for the year by the head of the NAACP in recognition of his efforts). Upon breaking the Democrat filibuster of the 1964 Civil Rights Act, Republican Dirksen took to the Senate floor and exclaimed "The time has come for equality of opportunity in sharing in government, in education, and in employment. It will not be stayed or denied. It is here!" (Full text of speech). Sadly, Democrats and revisionist historians have all but forgotten (and intentionally so) that it was Republican Dirksen, not the divided Democrats, who made the Civil Rights Act a reality. Dirksen also broke the Democrat filibuster of the 1957 Civil Rights Act that was signed by Republican President Eisenhower.

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The next time Democrats take to the national airwaves to dishonestly accuse Republicans of racial hatred, remember who the historical record up until this very day points to as the real bigots: The Democrat Party. In all possible ways, the Democrat Party is built around the pillars of ultra leftists, many of whom are known participants in racism and/or affiliates of racist hate groups. Consider the Democrat Party of today's heroes and leaders:

- Franklin Delano Roosevelt, Democrat icon and orchestrator of Japanese Internment
- Ex-House Minority Leader Dick Gephardt, former affiliate of a St. Louis area racist group
- Ex-Senate President Pro Tempore Robert Byrd, former Ku Klux Klansman known for making bigoted slurs on national television
- Rev. Jesse Jackson, Democrat keynote speaker and race hustler known for making anti-Semitic slurs
- Rev. Al Sharpten, Democrat activist and perennial candidate and race hustler known inciting anti-Semitic violence in New York City
- Sen. Ernest Hollings, leading Democrat Senator known for use of racial slurs against several minority groups
- Lee P. Brown, former Clinton cabinet official and Democrat mayor of Houston who won reelection using racial intimidation against Hispanic voters
- Andrew Cuomo, former Clinton cabinet official and Democrat candidate for NY Governor who made racist statements about a black opponent.
- Dan Rather, Democrat CBS news anchor and editorialist known for using anti-black racial epithets on a national radio broadcast
- Donna Brazile, former Gore campaign manager known for making anti-white racial attacks. Brazile has also worked for Jackson, Gephardt, and Michael Dukakis

The simple truth is that the Democrat Party's history during this century is one closely aligned to bigotry in a record stemming largely out of the liberal New Deal era up until the modern day. Bigots are at the center of the Democrat party's current leadership and role models. And in a striking display of hypocrisy, many of the same Democrats who dishonestly shout accusations of "bigotry" at conservatives are practicing bigots of the most disgusting and disreputable kind themselves.

The Democrat Party’s Long and Shameful History of Bigotry and Racism

Once again. Like the slavery issue Civil Rights was a North v South issue.

The original House version:
Southern Democrats: 7–87 (7%–93%)
Southern Republicans: 0–10 (0%–100%)
Northern Democrats: 145-9 (94%–6%)
Northern Republicans: 138-24 (85%–15%)

The Senate version:
Southern Democrats: 1–20 (5%–95%)
Southern Republicans: 0–1 (0%–100%)
Northern Democrats: 45-1 (98%–2%)
Northern Republicans: 27-5 (84%–16%)

Civil Rights Act of 1964 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[ScreamingEagle]

frazzle just won this thread.

Was the contest partisan hackery?

Frazzle assumed every Democrat thoughout history was a liberal, whereas the orginal quote never identifies liberals and what they accomplished with either party.

Like slavery, civil rights was a North/South issue. Southerners(Dems and Reps) opposed it and Northerners (Dems and Reps) supported it.

yet the largest group against Civil Rights was to be found in the Democrat Party....

 

[g5000]

You know if I voted with Democrats maybe I'd keep trying to re-write history in order to deceive people into believing Democrats owned the history of Republicans and Republicans owned the filthy, disgusting, despicable, anti-human being history of Democrats. Democrats opposed equal rights for anybody at every stage whether it was former slaves, blacks or women. Democrats were the slave owners; Democrats =KKK; Democrats=the segregationist Dixiecrat party, nearly all of whom rejoined the Democrat party upon its collapse with no questions asked and no demands to leave their filthy racism at the door; Democrats were deeply divided over women's suffrage and deeply divided over civil rights.

Talk about rewriting history! The Dixiecrats did not rejoin the Democrats. They defected en masse to the GOP, and we have been unable to eliminate the infection of their hatred ever since. And lately, it has grown and festered. I've been fighting them bastards from within the GOP since I was a teen.

Anyone who believes the GOP is not chock full of racists and bigots is deluding themselves. If you are suffering from such a delusion, just ask the nearest "culture warrior" about their feelings on homosexuality.

 

[Foxfyre]

frazzle just won this thread.

I think I disagree with you on this.

Personally, I don’t think the Democratic Party that existed during the time of slavery, or the Democratic Party that supported and helped originate the KKK is the same Modern Democratic Party that we see today. The Democratic Party, as well as the Republican Party, have both undergone some pretty significant changes over the past 150 years in ideology, what types of people they attract, and (ultimately) what they represent.

For instance, when the Democrats spearheaded the Civil Rights movement in the 1960’s, do you think those same Dixie Democrats who ran plantations about 100 years earlier still stayed with the party (supporting the equality between blacks and whites), or do you think they merged elsewhere?

Do you think the Klu Klux Klan still supports the modern day Democratic party – and all of the affirmative action legislation, same-sex marriage support, and secularist non-religious initiatives? I highly doubt it.

I think that’s why Frazzle’s argument doesn’t move me a whole lot…

Note that I’m no Democrat, but those are just my thoughts.

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The Democrats would never have passed any of the Civil Rights initiatives without a strong plurality of the Republicans voting with the smaller plurality of Democrats who passed them. The whole culture was shifting at that time with the Republicans emerging as the party of true equality and the one that was more likely to see people as people rather than as demographics to be exploited.

Modern day Democrats are definitely not the same party as they were pre 1960's. Those Democrats pre-1960's Democrats might have included a lot of old fashioned bigots and allowed prejudice in an unconscionable way, but they were far more fiscal conservatives than are modern Democrats, far more heartfelt patriots, and far more atuned to American exceptionalism.

Modern day Democrats have largely rejected American exceptionalism and continue to 'clamor for a king' to save them, protect them, and direct all of society in their belief that government is superior to the people and the people are incapable of self governance. The modern day Democratic Party contains every bit as many bigoted and prejudiced people as it ever did, but they relegate people to a different kind of plantation and use government to keep them there, loyal to their government masters.

Are all Democrats that way? Of course not. But it is the Democratic Party that increasingly sees our rights as coming from government. And while the Republicans are by no means blameless in the process, it is more the Democrats who continue to push for the government to have the power to dictate what rights the people will have.