In their own words....

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    I love this particular interplay. Also please note that one of their own states there has been NO WARMING SINCE 1998.

    Read it and weep old fraud, toober, konrad et all

    Also for those who would like to read what was actually released (not stolen) from the CRU the website below has all of the emails in question in a searchable format. Very interesting reading.


    http://www.eastangliaemails.com/index.php




    From: Kevin Trenberth <trenbert@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
    To: Michael Mann <mann@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
    Subject: Re: BBC U-turn on climate
    Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 08:57:37 -0600
    Cc: Stephen H Schneider <shs@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, Myles Allen <allen@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, peter stott <peter.stott@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, "Philip D. Jones" <p.jones@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, Benjamin Santer <santer1@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, Tom Wigley <wigley@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, Thomas R Karl <Thomas.R.Karl@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, Gavin Schmidt <gschmidt@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, James Hansen <jhansen@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, Michael Oppenheimer <omichael@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>

    Hi all
    Well I have my own article on where the heck is global warming? We are asking that here in
    Boulder where we have broken records the past two days for the coldest days on record. We
    had 4 inches of snow. The high the last 2 days was below 30F and the normal is 69F, and it
    smashed the previous records for these days by 10F. The low was about 18F and also a
    record low, well below the previous record low. This is January weather (see the Rockies
    baseball playoff game was canceled on saturday and then played last night in below freezing
    weather).
    Trenberth, K. E., 2009: An imperative for climate change planning: tracking Earth's global
    energy. Current Opinion in Environmental Sustainability, 1, 19-27,
    doi:10.1016/j.cosust.2009.06.001. [1][PDF] (A PDF of the published version can be obtained
    from the author.)
    The fact is that we can't account for the lack of warming at the moment and it is a
    travesty that we can't. The CERES data published in the August BAMS 09 supplement on 2008
    shows there should be even more warming: but the data are surely wrong. Our observing
    system is inadequate.
    That said there is a LOT of nonsense about the PDO. People like CPC are tracking PDO on a
    monthly basis but it is highly correlated with ENSO. Most of what they are seeing is the
    change in ENSO not real PDO. It surely isn't decadal. The PDO is already reversing with
    the switch to El Nino. The PDO index became positive in September for first time since
    Sept 2007. see
    [2]http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/GODAS/ocean_briefing_gif/global_ocean_monitoring_c
    urrent.ppt
    Kevin
    Michael Mann wrote:

    extremely disappointing to see something like this appear on BBC. its particularly odd,
    since climate is usually Richard Black's beat at BBC (and he does a great job). from
    what I can tell, this guy was formerly a weather person at the Met Office.

    We may do something about this on RealClimate, but meanwhile it might be appropriate for
    the Met Office to have a say about this, I might ask Richard Black what's up here?

    mike

    On Oct 12, 2009, at 2:32 AM, Stephen H Schneider wrote:

    Hi all. Any of you want to explain decadal natural variability and signal to noise and
    sampling errors to this new "IPCC Lead Author" from the BBC? As we enter an El Nino year
    and as soon, as the sunspots get over their temporary--presumed--vacation worth a few
    tenths of a Watt per meter squared reduced forcing, there will likely be another dramatic
    upward spike like 1992-2000. I heard someone--Mike Schlesinger maybe??--was willing to bet
    alot of money on it happening in next 5 years?? Meanwhile the past 10 years of global mean
    temperature trend stasis still saw what, 9 of the warmest in reconstructed 1000 year record
    and Greenland and the sea ice of the North in big retreat?? Some of you observational folks
    probably do need to straighten this out as my student suggests below. Such "fun", Cheers,
    Steve
    Stephen H. Schneider
    Melvin and Joan Lane Professor for Interdisciplinary Environmental Studies,
    Professor, Department of Biology and
    Senior Fellow, Woods Institute for the Environment
    Mailing address:
    Yang & Yamazaki Environment & Energy Building - MC 4205
    473 Via Ortega
    Ph: 650 725 9978
    F: 650 725 4387
    Websites: climatechange.net
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    ----- Forwarded Message -----
    From: "Narasimha D. Rao" <[3]ndrao@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
    To: "Stephen H Schneider" <[4]shs@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
    Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 10:25:53 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
    Subject: BBC U-turn on climate
    Steve,
    You may be aware of this already. Paul Hudson, BBC's reporter on climate change, on Friday
    wrote that there's been no warming since 1998, and that pacific oscillations will force
    cooling for the next 20-30 years. It is not outrageously biased in presentation as are
    other skeptics' views.


    [5]http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8299079.stm
    [6]http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/damianthompson/100013173/the-bbcs-amazing-u-turn-on-cl
    imate-change/


    BBC has significant influence on public opinion outside the US.


    Do you think this merits an op-ed response in the BBC from a scientist?


    Narasimha


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    PhD Candidate,
    Emmett Interdisciplinary Program in Environment and Resources (E-IPER)
    Stanford University
    Tel: 415-812-7560


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    Michael E. Mann
    Professor
    Director, Earth System Science Center (ESSC)
    Department of Meteorology Phone: (814) 863-4075
    503 Walker Building FAX: (814) 865-3663
    The Pennsylvania State University email: [7]mann@xxxxxxxxx.xxx
    University Park, PA 16802-5013
    website: [8]http://www.meteo.psu.edu/~mann/Mann/index.html
    "Dire Predictions" book site:
    [9]http://www.essc.psu.edu/essc_web/news/DirePredictions/index.html

    --
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    Kevin E. Trenberth e-mail: [10]trenbert@xxxxxxxxx.xxx
    Climate Analysis Section, [11]www.cgd.ucar.edu/cas/trenbert.html
    NCAR
    P. O. Box 3000, (303) 497 1318
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    Street address: 1850 Table Mesa Drive, Boulder, CO 80305

    References

    1. http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/cas/Trenberth/trenberth.papers/EnergyDiagnostics09final.pdf
    2. http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/GODAS/ocean_briefing_gif/global_ocean_monitoring_current.ppt
    3. mailto:ndrao@xxxxxxxxx.xxx
    4. mailto:shs@xxxxxxxxx.xxx
    5. BBC NEWS | Science & Environment | What happened to global warming?
    6. http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/d...73/the-bbcs-amazing-u-turn-on-climate-change/
    7. mailto:mann@xxxxxxxxx.xxx
    8. Michael E. Mann
    9. ESSC: Earth System Science Center - News and Events
    10. mailto:trenbert@xxxxxxxxx.xxx
    11. CGD's Climate Analysis Section (CAS)
     
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    Yeah...Been posted already.

    Apparently, our warmist moonbat chorus needs to 'splain to Trenberth that there's a difference between climate and weather. :lol::lol::lol:
     
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    Yeah Dude,

    I know but old fraud likes to repost things so I figured we might as well too!
     
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    Yep, and all of the above have been exonerated on all charges.

    And all of the Scientific Societies, all of the National Academies of Science, and all of the major Universities state that AGW is real.

    But we must believe that kooks on a Conservative message board are so much smarter.:eusa_whistle:
     
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    so was OJ.
     
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    Still trying to sell that lie huh? Want me to go and dig up the thread where you claimed this before? Got made a fool of as I recall.....

    So tell us who exonerated them? LOL
     
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    Yep, and all of the above have been exonerated on all charges.

    And all of the Scientific Societies, all of the National Academies of Science, and all of the major Universities state that AGW is real.

    But we must believe that kooks on a Conservative message board are so much smarter.:eusa_whistle:[/QUOTE]




    Welllllll.......not exactly. If you actually read the NAS report they find Mann's work to be fraudulent....they just used soft language to do so. And the british hearing was mocked by a AGW proponent who realises that by whitewashing the matter they bring more attention to the perpetrator Jones and further destroy whatever credibility that they may have had.

    Then there's the Harvard scientist who is reeeeeaallly pissed at the fraud that these guy's are pulling.....yep they've been exonerated allright.


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