In Support of Obama's Health Care Law

[Luddly Neddite]

Put down the bong dude. You are responsible for everything that happens to you in life. Everything. Society doesn't owe you a fucking thing. You are never going to see a "2nd bill of rights" or anything like it. You're a glue sniffing hippie.

Nice to see the usual lazy bum rw saying people should take responsibility for their own health care insurance.

Congrats cuz, in case you missed it, most rw's want to keep the FREE SOCIALIST health care "system" we currently have. You know, the same one that a pub put in place and that Romney said he planned to keep in place.

See if you can the other rw's to agree to take responsibility for their own health care insurance instead of forcing Dems/libs to pay for dead beat rw's care. Thanks.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

zander

... You are never going to see a "2nd bill of rights" or anything like it. ...

As I'm sure you know, you are quite wrong about this. serenesam even gave you the link.

Edited to correct typo. Sorry 'bout that.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

most rw's want to keep the FREE SOCIALIST health care "system" we currently have.

too stupid!! If they are right wingers they cant support socialism and still be right wingers!

To help you grasp the concept: if a right winger supports socialism he is no longer a right winger he is a socialist!!

See why we are positive a liberal will be slow?????????

Also, please note if socialism is good in helath care it should also be good in more important industries like food clothing and shelter.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

most rw's want to keep the FREE SOCIALIST health care "system" we currently have.

too stupid!! If they are right wingers they cant support socialism and still be right wingers!

To help you grasp the concept: if a right winger supports socialism he is no longer a right winger he is a socialist!!

See why we are positive a liberal will be slow?????????

Also, please note if socialism is good in helath care it should also be good in more important industries like food clothing and shelter.

Two things:

One, you need to make up your mind. You post in favor of the SOCIALIST system we have in place now and against paying for your own health care insurance.

You can't have it both ways. Which is it?

Second, I will not respond to rw's who cherry pick what they want to respond to while ignoring the point I make in my post. IOW, if you lie, I ignore. Deal with it.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

You post in favor of the SOCIALIST system we have in place now and against paying for your own health care insurance.

if i do that I'll pay you $10,000. Bet or admit to being a lying brain dead liberal.

What a surprise , luddy did not take the bet but instead ran away with her liberal tail between her legs.

 

[dblack]

One, you need to make up your mind. You post in favor of the SOCIALIST system we have in place now and against paying for your own health care insurance.

Maybe you need to add 'socialism' and 'responsibility' to your list of words to look up. The existing system is flawed, and definitely needs fixing, but it's not any more socialist that PPACA is.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

One, you need to make up your mind. You post in favor of the SOCIALIST system we have in place now and against paying for your own health care insurance.

Maybe you need to add 'socialism' and 'responsibility' to your list of words to look up. The existing system is flawed, and definitely needs fixing, but it's not any more socialist that PPACA is.

yes, the liberals out of pure ignorance pretend the current system is pure capitalism and this proof that capitalism does not work!!

 

[Stephanie]

From chapter two of Peter Ferrara's "America's Ticking Bankruptc Bomb,"

When the President rushed through Obamacare, he promised it would reduce the deficit, citing CBO’s scoring! Of course, he never revealed, as was done in the 2010 Annual Report of the Medicare Board of Trustees and the 2010 Financial Report of the United States Government, that Obamacare policies will cut payments for doctors, hospitals, and other health care providers by $15 trillion.


So...you think any of the above will continue to stick around?

Yes, the government will have no choice but to take care of its people. If they don't, there would be mass riots and crime. People will do what they have to do to survive.

Also there's a great book by Damon Vickers called "The Day After the Dollar Crashes"

Perhaps only a collapse is necessary for a brand new global economic and social system to occur. This is predicted from numerous people both on the Right and on the Left and all others from Ron Paul, Gerald Celente, Marc Faber, Zeitgeist experts, Peter Schiff, etc.

Holy shit, they said the government will have to take of of IT'S PEOPLE.
So now we are OWNED by the government huh?

 

[Luddly Neddite]

You post in favor of the SOCIALIST system we have in place now and against paying for your own health care insurance.

if i do that I'll pay you $10,000. Bet or admit to being a lying brain dead liberal.

What a surprise , luddy did not take the bet but instead ran away with her liberal tail between her legs.

a) No, of course, I would not take a "bet" from some silly twit on line.
b) Not being on line does not mean anyone has "run away".

All you have to do is read my MANY posts on this subject to know I have never run away from this discussion. YOU, however, do run away, just as dblack and other rw's do. You use really stupid tactics to run a way - like a fictional $10,000 bet when we both know that's way more than your parents give you to mow the lawn.

Note to rw's: I'll be off line most of today. If you idiots believe that means I have "run away", that's fine.

 

[dblack]

Holy shit, they said the government will have to take of of IT'S PEOPLE.
So now we are OWNED by the government huh?

I assume they don't think of it that way. But the language is revealing. I don't think they understand the power and control inherent in the kind of dependencies they want to maintain.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

You post in favor of the SOCIALIST system we have in place now

any evidence of this or just a strawman you have created out of shere desperation.

See why we are 100% a liberal will be slow?

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Yes, the government will have no choice but to take care of its people.

yes yes exactly !!!That's the whole reason people founded America: to be taken care of like children, not to be free of paternalistic Nazi- like liberal government!!

 

[emilynghiem]

How is this possible if there isn't a "right" of equality of opportunity when the number of people applying for jobs does not equal to the job positions available?

Dear SereneSam: Jobs do not naturally exist, nor are they magically created out of nowhere. Jobs are created where entrepreneurs who develop a service or good can match this supply to a demand, and increase the productivity and revenue by building over time.

If you have no knowledge of job creation, then maybe it is wise to listen to people who do run businesses and create jobs. Maybe if the business leaders push for Romney's approach to business and govt, instead of Obama's declaration of taxing the rich for being wealthy, then that freedom to invest one's own capital into employees, company, and community is what we should be supporting, not punishing a person's ability to do so and forcing citizens to pay govt to do this work through a bankrupt bureaucracy.

Would you patronize a business that forced you to buy from them? Based on promises?
or would you take your money to a business that proves it provides reliable cost-effective services, and gives you a choice to take your money elsewhere if you are not satisfied?

The basic common sense of a business person also applies to govt. That is why people I know who work two jobs trying to support ourselves while fixing problems in the community that govt messed up and won't fix, prefer a model for govt where you have freedom to support the programs that work, and don't rely on any govt forcing you to depend on it.
Where is the accountability in that?

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

the number of people applying for jobs does not equal to the job positions available?

This is because liberal unions, liberal corporate taxes, liberal deficts, and liberal minimum wages have shipped about 30 million jobs off shore.

And, because, in an effort to get the immigrant vote, liberals have let 20 million illegals in to take 20 million jobs.

 

[emilynghiem]

Yes, the government will have no choice but to take care of its people.

yes yes exactly !!!That's the whole reason people founded America: to be taken care of like children, not to be free of paternalistic Nazi- like liberal government!!

Dear Serenesam: The purpose of federal government is to provide for things like national security, and oversight over commerce or other institutions that cross state lines. The purpose of the Bill of Rights was to limit govt and prevent infringement on states' and individuals' rights.

it is NOT the purpose of govt to act as a "church" or "charity" in taking responsiblity for social needs, except in extreme cases such as a natural disaster where security forces have to be sent in and assistance given to states to rebuild infrastructure etc.

In general, if the churches/charities/schools/businesses can be supported to serve local communities, there is direct accountability and more cost-effective services, checks and balances on the supply and demand, the intake and the spending.

As an overall trend, teh larger an institution is, the greater risk of losing accountability to the individual and risk of abuse of collective resources concentrated in the control of the few.

That is just sociology, how humans work. We have a better chance of redressing grievances and being accountable for our actions in smaller groups with direct relationships, than in bigger institutions with so many resources to manage and so many people to represent or serve that it has to be "broken down" into a hierarchy of levels, like big companies. So there is less direct relations/accountability from the very top to the very bottom, and things go awry. Happens with any group, any church or state institution, when it gets too big.

So SS, this is why you will see people arguing for limited govt.

It is NOT to deny help or services to people, but the opposite! It is to protect direct controls and responsibility on the LOCAL levels where people have better chance at representing their own interests and including their diversity, instead of a one-size-fits-all policy at the top that would leave out people at the bottom with different needs or approaches.

Govt should ideally be built from the bottom up, letting people take responsibility for the programs they put together to serve their communities, and basing govt on what works and what they consent to delegate to state authority and to federal after that. It should never be backwards where the govt mandates from the top down and people fight over power.
That is what we see happening today, so it is wasting resources not solving problems, when people could be investing resources directly into solutions and govern the process directly.

 

[emilynghiem]

Dear Luddly: The opponents of ACA that I know SUPPORT people CHOOSING whether to pay into this system or that one. Nobody I know is fined or penalized for NOT depending on Medicare or Medicaid. So it is NOT the same as ACA requiring people to buy insurance or else face penalties.

I agree people should pay for the system they choose to use.
And that is why so many people OPPOSE ACA, because it DOESN'T respect this choice of how to "take responsibility for their health care" but penalizes people if they don't choose the insurance mandates.

Are you sure you do not understand the difference, and why people are so against this?

most rw's want to keep the FREE SOCIALIST health care "system" we currently have.

too stupid!! If they are right wingers they cant support socialism and still be right wingers!

To help you grasp the concept: if a right winger supports socialism he is no longer a right winger he is a socialist!!

See why we are positive a liberal will be slow?????????

Also, please note if socialism is good in helath care it should also be good in more important industries like food clothing and shelter.

Two things:

One, you need to make up your mind. You post in favor of the SOCIALIST system we have in place now and against paying for your own health care insurance.

You can't have it both ways. Which is it?

Second, I will not respond to rw's who cherry pick what they want to respond to while ignoring the point I make in my post. IOW, if you lie, I ignore. Deal with it.

Honey there is a third choice, of wanting freedom to use either the govt systems and pay for those, or using the ACA and paying for that, or using other ways and paying for that.

Most humans I know want this freedom, and only agree to legislation that MATCHES what they want to choose anyway. if it doesn't match they are more opposed than supportive.

If you enjoy the choice of wanting this ACA, why can't you see people equally want a choice?
What makes you think this is the only way to pay for health care, and anything else means you don't want to take responsibility? really? I take responsibility for paying other people's rent and bills all the time when they are in trouble, and wouldn't want that forced on me, but do so when I agree to it; and I am against this bill because it doesn't offer that choice and doesn't have accountability to the people paying for it. So that is why I say to be fair, let supporters like you pay for it, and not people who have seen no proof it works for them.

Luddly are you sure you are "taking responsibility" for paying for your own health care bill?
Or are you expecting other people to pay for it to make it work who disagree?
Where is the social responsibility in that?

 

[Annie]

What no one seems to be addressing regarding the polls getting something Soooo wrong, are those since 2009 that have consistently said that over 60% of the people do not support this healthcare plan. Obviously those polls were wrong.

Obama and his healthcare legislation scored an overwhelming victory Tuesday, at least electorally.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

You post in favor of the SOCIALIST system we have in place now

any evidence of this or just a strawman you have created out of shere desperation.

See why we are 100% a liberal will be slow?

There is plenty of evidence. Your own candidate said his "plan" for health care in the US was to keep the REPUBLICAN SOCIALIST system of free care in Emergency Rooms. That includes illegals giving birth to so-called "anchor babies" and to abortions. Other pubpots concurred.

Indeed, I don't know of any pubpot who disagreed with Willard the Rat. Please post links if you disagree.

And, was it you who said ObamaCare is "unConstitutional"? That's wrong, of course because the very definition of "constitutional" is what our SCOTUS says it is.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

emilysomething

Are you sure you do not understand the difference, and why people are so against this?

Of course I understand both. But why does that matter to me?

Luddly are you sure you are "taking responsibility" for paying for your own health care bill?
Or are you expecting other people to pay for it to make it work who disagree?
Where is the social responsibility in that?

What is it with rw's and those who say they are not rw's even though they talk like rw's?

I've paid for my own health care insurance as well as my employee's health care insurance for many years.

The people who want to stay with the FREE SOCIALIST health care "system", put into place by a REPUBLICAN and endorsed by Romeny - THOSE are the HYPOCRITES who don't want to pay their own way.

Where is the social responsibility in that?

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

There is plenty of evidence. Your own candidate said his "plan" for health care

too stupid!! You said I was for socialism, now you say my candidate said!!

See why we are positiv a liberal will be slow and lack character???