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again--people on a lot of these forums do not think realisticallywhat are you saying? Goring wasn't in charge"Göring was freed on 5 May by a passing Luftwaffe unit, and he made his way to the US lines in hopes of surrendering to them rather than to the Soviets. He was taken into custody near Radstadt on 6 May by elements of the 36th Infantry Division of the US Army.[118]"
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Why did the Germans prefer to surrender to the Allies instead of the USSR?
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The soldiers of the Red Army captured by the Germans were usually sent to concentration camps where approximately 4 million of them were starved to death, worked to death, tortured to death or just shot or beaten to death.
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The Soviet state on the other hand could be ruthless towards its own people, even when they were loyal communists, so how were they going to treat Germans ...
etc.
"
Couple of reasons, since the invasion of the USSR in 1941 German treatment of Soviet prisoners had been horrendous, kept in wire enclosures until they starved, succumbed to disease, or were simply summarily executed (among the first victims gassed at Auschwitz were Russian PoWs). With no quarter given on the Eastern Front it could hardly be asked. Wehrmacht soldiers rightly feared Russian vengeance, after what had been done in the occupied territories of the USSR, and knew that capture would mean heading for forced labor in Siberian gulags, if they were not shot out of hand. Many, if they survived, weren't released until the '50s.
Treatment of PoWs from the western allies was - comparatively speaking - much better, as was their treatment of German PoWs, although there were incidents of brutality on both sides they nominally adhered to the Geneva Conventions on treatment of PoWs (to which the USSR was not a signatory). A commander of the 352nd Volksgrenadier wrote to the families of six men MIA, "The Americans opposite us have been fighting fairly, they have treated German prisoners well and fed them. If your husband is a PoW, you will probably receive news of him through the Red Cross." It got him in trouble with the party for suggesting that captivity was a tolerable state. Compare this to the Eastern Front, where the wretched prisoners taken by the Red Army were known as Stalinpferd, a Stalin horse.
"Halt at the ElbeNearly two hundred miles separated Montgomery's Rhine bridgehead from the Elbe, while Marshal Georgi K. Zhukov had nearly a million men on the Oder with some elements within thirty or forty miles of the German capital. Even if the Allies reached the Elbe before Zhukov crossed the Oder, the British and U.S. forces would still have to cross fifty miles of lowlands marked by lakes, streams, and canals to get to Berlin. When asked by General Eisenhower for an opinion, General Bradley estimated that a breakthrough from the Elbe would cost 100,000 casualties.
so the US/Brits were 200 miles from the ELBE--while the Russians were within 50 of Berlin
!!???
Bradley was a certified fucking moron who extended the war in the West by over a year. Had they not traded positions after the Slap Incident, Patton would have lead the US and Brits into Berlin sometime in 1944
you are in Dreamville if you think it would've been so easy
just like Monty at Marget Garden--'''we'll just go up this road''
but General Sosabowski was not in Dreamville but Realville
...remember the one of the most critical factors = logistics ...this hampered the Allies just as much as the Germans did"But the Germans, General, the Germans!".
The war in the West was extended by the D Day invasionwhat are you saying? Goring wasn't in charge"Göring was freed on 5 May by a passing Luftwaffe unit, and he made his way to the US lines in hopes of surrendering to them rather than to the Soviets. He was taken into custody near Radstadt on 6 May by elements of the 36th Infantry Division of the US Army.[118]"the German hierarchy were not surrendering to anyone
"
Why did the Germans prefer to surrender to the Allies instead of the USSR?
-
The soldiers of the Red Army captured by the Germans were usually sent to concentration camps where approximately 4 million of them were starved to death, worked to death, tortured to death or just shot or beaten to death.
-
The Soviet state on the other hand could be ruthless towards its own people, even when they were loyal communists, so how were they going to treat Germans ...
etc.
"
Couple of reasons, since the invasion of the USSR in 1941 German treatment of Soviet prisoners had been horrendous, kept in wire enclosures until they starved, succumbed to disease, or were simply summarily executed (among the first victims gassed at Auschwitz were Russian PoWs). With no quarter given on the Eastern Front it could hardly be asked. Wehrmacht soldiers rightly feared Russian vengeance, after what had been done in the occupied territories of the USSR, and knew that capture would mean heading for forced labor in Siberian gulags, if they were not shot out of hand. Many, if they survived, weren't released until the '50s.
Treatment of PoWs from the western allies was - comparatively speaking - much better, as was their treatment of German PoWs, although there were incidents of brutality on both sides they nominally adhered to the Geneva Conventions on treatment of PoWs (to which the USSR was not a signatory). A commander of the 352nd Volksgrenadier wrote to the families of six men MIA, "The Americans opposite us have been fighting fairly, they have treated German prisoners well and fed them. If your husband is a PoW, you will probably receive news of him through the Red Cross." It got him in trouble with the party for suggesting that captivity was a tolerable state. Compare this to the Eastern Front, where the wretched prisoners taken by the Red Army were known as Stalinpferd, a Stalin horse.
"Halt at the ElbeNearly two hundred miles separated Montgomery's Rhine bridgehead from the Elbe, while Marshal Georgi K. Zhukov had nearly a million men on the Oder with some elements within thirty or forty miles of the German capital. Even if the Allies reached the Elbe before Zhukov crossed the Oder, the British and U.S. forces would still have to cross fifty miles of lowlands marked by lakes, streams, and canals to get to Berlin. When asked by General Eisenhower for an opinion, General Bradley estimated that a breakthrough from the Elbe would cost 100,000 casualties.
so the US/Brits were 200 miles from the ELBE--while the Russians were within 50 of Berlin
!!???
Bradley was a certified fucking moron who extended the war in the West by over a year. Had they not traded positions after the Slap Incident, Patton would have lead the US and Brits into Berlin sometime in 1944
It is today’s Republicans who are in love with the Russiansdo you know that they even raped Jewish women who survived the Nazi death camps ?The Soviets did this in all the countries they conquered, maybe not always on that scale.
They also stopped trains and took all the jewelry and dresses, so the women would be in their underwear (note: underwear of that time was sometimes like a silk beige short dress, can't remember what it was called right now).
No one denies the Soviets were some pretty bad hombres! Al communist/socialist big government leads to atrocities: Mao’s China, Stalins’s Russia, Pol Pot’s Khmer Rouge, Castro’s Cuba, Chavez’s Venezuela, Kim’s North Korea, East Germany etc.
This is what the modern liberals want, because no matter how many times you show it fails they think their communism will prevail!
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It was the Soviets who beat the NazisDue to the fact that the Soviets had done the overwhelming amount of fighting against the Nazis........Berlin was reserved for thema perfect case for the Hague ?
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Between the months of January and August of 1945, Germany saw the largest incident of mass rape known in history, where an estimated two million German women were raped by the Soviet Red Army soldiers, as written by Walter Zapotoczny Jr. in his book, ‘Beyond Duty: The Reason Some Soldiers Commit Atrocities’.
Between the months of April and May, the German capital Berlin saw more than 100,000 rape cases according to hospital reports, while East Prussia, Pomerania and Silesia saw more than 1.4 million rape cases.
Hospital reports also stated that abortion operations were being carried out daily across all German hospitals."
Natalya Gesse, who was a Soviet war correspondent at the time, said that the Soviets didn’t care about the ages of their victims. “The Russian soldiers were raping every German female from eight to eighty. It was an army of rapists,” she said.
This caused the deaths of no less than 200,000 girls and women due to the spread of diseases, especially that many eyewitnesses recounted victims being raped as much as 70 times in that period.
Our fellows were so sex-starved,” a Soviet major told a British journalist at the time, “that they often raped old women of sixty, seventy or even eighty - much to these grandmothers’ surprise, if not downright delight.”
In his book, Zapotoczny said that even female Russian soldiers did not disapprove of the rapes, some finding it amusing.
In 1948, rape cases decreased vastly after Soviet troops were ordered back to their camps in Russia and left residential areas in Germany.
IN PICTURES: How German women suffered largest mass rape in history by Soviets
FDR and Eisenhower were warmonger mass murderers and traiters that are burning in hell right now ignoring the REAL evil person they should have gone after was Stalin who they were both pals with.
ALL three were sad excuses for human beings were all evil monsters that our evil corrupt government treats as heros in this sick society we live in.
Patton was a true american hero and patriot.It is suspected Eisenhower murdered him because he told the TRUTH that Stalin was the REAL enemy the united stated should have gone after but didn't.He came out and said that he could have defeated him but was not allowed to by these two mother fucker traiters.
“I could have taken it (Berlin) had I been allowed.”
Letter from General George Patton to his wife on July 21, 1945.
Rightwinger <3 Uncle Joe.
So cute!
its a myth, USA did it, with its 50% of World GDPIt was the Soviets who beat the NazisDue to the fact that the Soviets had done the overwhelming amount of fighting against the Nazis........Berlin was reserved for thema perfect case for the Hague ?
"
Between the months of January and August of 1945, Germany saw the largest incident of mass rape known in history, where an estimated two million German women were raped by the Soviet Red Army soldiers, as written by Walter Zapotoczny Jr. in his book, ‘Beyond Duty: The Reason Some Soldiers Commit Atrocities’.
Between the months of April and May, the German capital Berlin saw more than 100,000 rape cases according to hospital reports, while East Prussia, Pomerania and Silesia saw more than 1.4 million rape cases.
Hospital reports also stated that abortion operations were being carried out daily across all German hospitals."
Natalya Gesse, who was a Soviet war correspondent at the time, said that the Soviets didn’t care about the ages of their victims. “The Russian soldiers were raping every German female from eight to eighty. It was an army of rapists,” she said.
This caused the deaths of no less than 200,000 girls and women due to the spread of diseases, especially that many eyewitnesses recounted victims being raped as much as 70 times in that period.
Our fellows were so sex-starved,” a Soviet major told a British journalist at the time, “that they often raped old women of sixty, seventy or even eighty - much to these grandmothers’ surprise, if not downright delight.”
In his book, Zapotoczny said that even female Russian soldiers did not disapprove of the rapes, some finding it amusing.
In 1948, rape cases decreased vastly after Soviet troops were ordered back to their camps in Russia and left residential areas in Germany.
IN PICTURES: How German women suffered largest mass rape in history by Soviets
FDR and Eisenhower were warmonger mass murderers and traiters that are burning in hell right now ignoring the REAL evil person they should have gone after was Stalin who they were both pals with.
ALL three were sad excuses for human beings were all evil monsters that our evil corrupt government treats as heros in this sick society we live in.
Patton was a true american hero and patriot.It is suspected Eisenhower murdered him because he told the TRUTH that Stalin was the REAL enemy the united stated should have gone after but didn't.He came out and said that he could have defeated him but was not allowed to by these two mother fucker traiters.
“I could have taken it (Berlin) had I been allowed.”
Letter from General George Patton to his wife on July 21, 1945.
Rightwinger <3 Uncle Joe.
So cute!
We rescued the west
"Russian" or "Soviet" ? if "Soviet" you are wrong ...If Germany had treated citizens in its captured territory with respect, I might have some compassion
But the way they treated Russian citizens did not earn them any consideration of their rights as non combatants
No, fucktard.It was the Soviets who beat the NazisDue to the fact that the Soviets had done the overwhelming amount of fighting against the Nazis........Berlin was reserved for thema perfect case for the Hague ?
"
Between the months of January and August of 1945, Germany saw the largest incident of mass rape known in history, where an estimated two million German women were raped by the Soviet Red Army soldiers, as written by Walter Zapotoczny Jr. in his book, ‘Beyond Duty: The Reason Some Soldiers Commit Atrocities’.
Between the months of April and May, the German capital Berlin saw more than 100,000 rape cases according to hospital reports, while East Prussia, Pomerania and Silesia saw more than 1.4 million rape cases.
Hospital reports also stated that abortion operations were being carried out daily across all German hospitals."
Natalya Gesse, who was a Soviet war correspondent at the time, said that the Soviets didn’t care about the ages of their victims. “The Russian soldiers were raping every German female from eight to eighty. It was an army of rapists,” she said.
This caused the deaths of no less than 200,000 girls and women due to the spread of diseases, especially that many eyewitnesses recounted victims being raped as much as 70 times in that period.
Our fellows were so sex-starved,” a Soviet major told a British journalist at the time, “that they often raped old women of sixty, seventy or even eighty - much to these grandmothers’ surprise, if not downright delight.”
In his book, Zapotoczny said that even female Russian soldiers did not disapprove of the rapes, some finding it amusing.
In 1948, rape cases decreased vastly after Soviet troops were ordered back to their camps in Russia and left residential areas in Germany.
IN PICTURES: How German women suffered largest mass rape in history by Soviets
FDR and Eisenhower were warmonger mass murderers and traiters that are burning in hell right now ignoring the REAL evil person they should have gone after was Stalin who they were both pals with.
ALL three were sad excuses for human beings were all evil monsters that our evil corrupt government treats as heros in this sick society we live in.
Patton was a true american hero and patriot.It is suspected Eisenhower murdered him because he told the TRUTH that Stalin was the REAL enemy the united stated should have gone after but didn't.He came out and said that he could have defeated him but was not allowed to by these two mother fucker traiters.
“I could have taken it (Berlin) had I been allowed.”
Letter from General George Patton to his wife on July 21, 1945.
Rightwinger <3 Uncle Joe.
So cute!
We rescued the west
The war in the West was extended by the D Day invasionwhat are you saying? Goring wasn't in charge"Göring was freed on 5 May by a passing Luftwaffe unit, and he made his way to the US lines in hopes of surrendering to them rather than to the Soviets. He was taken into custody near Radstadt on 6 May by elements of the 36th Infantry Division of the US Army.[118]"
"
Why did the Germans prefer to surrender to the Allies instead of the USSR?
-
The soldiers of the Red Army captured by the Germans were usually sent to concentration camps where approximately 4 million of them were starved to death, worked to death, tortured to death or just shot or beaten to death.
-
The Soviet state on the other hand could be ruthless towards its own people, even when they were loyal communists, so how were they going to treat Germans ...
etc.
"
Couple of reasons, since the invasion of the USSR in 1941 German treatment of Soviet prisoners had been horrendous, kept in wire enclosures until they starved, succumbed to disease, or were simply summarily executed (among the first victims gassed at Auschwitz were Russian PoWs). With no quarter given on the Eastern Front it could hardly be asked. Wehrmacht soldiers rightly feared Russian vengeance, after what had been done in the occupied territories of the USSR, and knew that capture would mean heading for forced labor in Siberian gulags, if they were not shot out of hand. Many, if they survived, weren't released until the '50s.
Treatment of PoWs from the western allies was - comparatively speaking - much better, as was their treatment of German PoWs, although there were incidents of brutality on both sides they nominally adhered to the Geneva Conventions on treatment of PoWs (to which the USSR was not a signatory). A commander of the 352nd Volksgrenadier wrote to the families of six men MIA, "The Americans opposite us have been fighting fairly, they have treated German prisoners well and fed them. If your husband is a PoW, you will probably receive news of him through the Red Cross." It got him in trouble with the party for suggesting that captivity was a tolerable state. Compare this to the Eastern Front, where the wretched prisoners taken by the Red Army were known as Stalinpferd, a Stalin horse.
"Halt at the ElbeNearly two hundred miles separated Montgomery's Rhine bridgehead from the Elbe, while Marshal Georgi K. Zhukov had nearly a million men on the Oder with some elements within thirty or forty miles of the German capital. Even if the Allies reached the Elbe before Zhukov crossed the Oder, the British and U.S. forces would still have to cross fifty miles of lowlands marked by lakes, streams, and canals to get to Berlin. When asked by General Eisenhower for an opinion, General Bradley estimated that a breakthrough from the Elbe would cost 100,000 casualties.
so the US/Brits were 200 miles from the ELBE--while the Russians were within 50 of Berlin
!!???
Bradley was a certified fucking moron who extended the war in the West by over a year. Had they not traded positions after the Slap Incident, Patton would have lead the US and Brits into Berlin sometime in 1944
Bradley could not have hastened it
without USA´s high end, high technological support , Sovok ´d have 0 chance against Germany . what i remember literally all aviation gasoline came to USSR from USA . USSR simply couldn´t produce it , what chance has redarmy aviation had against Luftwaffe without aviation gasoline?No, fucktard.It was the Soviets who beat the NazisDue to the fact that the Soviets had done the overwhelming amount of fighting against the Nazis........Berlin was reserved for thema perfect case for the Hague ?
"
Between the months of January and August of 1945, Germany saw the largest incident of mass rape known in history, where an estimated two million German women were raped by the Soviet Red Army soldiers, as written by Walter Zapotoczny Jr. in his book, ‘Beyond Duty: The Reason Some Soldiers Commit Atrocities’.
Between the months of April and May, the German capital Berlin saw more than 100,000 rape cases according to hospital reports, while East Prussia, Pomerania and Silesia saw more than 1.4 million rape cases.
Hospital reports also stated that abortion operations were being carried out daily across all German hospitals."
Natalya Gesse, who was a Soviet war correspondent at the time, said that the Soviets didn’t care about the ages of their victims. “The Russian soldiers were raping every German female from eight to eighty. It was an army of rapists,” she said.
This caused the deaths of no less than 200,000 girls and women due to the spread of diseases, especially that many eyewitnesses recounted victims being raped as much as 70 times in that period.
Our fellows were so sex-starved,” a Soviet major told a British journalist at the time, “that they often raped old women of sixty, seventy or even eighty - much to these grandmothers’ surprise, if not downright delight.”
In his book, Zapotoczny said that even female Russian soldiers did not disapprove of the rapes, some finding it amusing.
In 1948, rape cases decreased vastly after Soviet troops were ordered back to their camps in Russia and left residential areas in Germany.
IN PICTURES: How German women suffered largest mass rape in history by Soviets
FDR and Eisenhower were warmonger mass murderers and traiters that are burning in hell right now ignoring the REAL evil person they should have gone after was Stalin who they were both pals with.
ALL three were sad excuses for human beings were all evil monsters that our evil corrupt government treats as heros in this sick society we live in.
Patton was a true american hero and patriot.It is suspected Eisenhower murdered him because he told the TRUTH that Stalin was the REAL enemy the united stated should have gone after but didn't.He came out and said that he could have defeated him but was not allowed to by these two mother fucker traiters.
“I could have taken it (Berlin) had I been allowed.”
Letter from General George Patton to his wife on July 21, 1945.
Rightwinger <3 Uncle Joe.
So cute!
We rescued the west
We kept your beloved USSR afloat with Lend Lease at the start of the war and we should have kept them out of Berlin, Prague and Vienna at the end of it
Jake loves them both, uncle Joe Stalin is one if his 2 biggest heroes, Chairman Mao the other"Russian" or "Soviet" ? if "Soviet" you are wrong ...If Germany had treated citizens in its captured territory with respect, I might have some compassion
But the way they treated Russian citizens did not earn them any consideration of their rights as non combatants
It was the Soviets who beat the NazisDue to the fact that the Soviets had done the overwhelming amount of fighting against the Nazis........Berlin was reserved for thema perfect case for the Hague ?
"
Between the months of January and August of 1945, Germany saw the largest incident of mass rape known in history, where an estimated two million German women were raped by the Soviet Red Army soldiers, as written by Walter Zapotoczny Jr. in his book, ‘Beyond Duty: The Reason Some Soldiers Commit Atrocities’.
Between the months of April and May, the German capital Berlin saw more than 100,000 rape cases according to hospital reports, while East Prussia, Pomerania and Silesia saw more than 1.4 million rape cases.
Hospital reports also stated that abortion operations were being carried out daily across all German hospitals."
Natalya Gesse, who was a Soviet war correspondent at the time, said that the Soviets didn’t care about the ages of their victims. “The Russian soldiers were raping every German female from eight to eighty. It was an army of rapists,” she said.
This caused the deaths of no less than 200,000 girls and women due to the spread of diseases, especially that many eyewitnesses recounted victims being raped as much as 70 times in that period.
Our fellows were so sex-starved,” a Soviet major told a British journalist at the time, “that they often raped old women of sixty, seventy or even eighty - much to these grandmothers’ surprise, if not downright delight.”
In his book, Zapotoczny said that even female Russian soldiers did not disapprove of the rapes, some finding it amusing.
In 1948, rape cases decreased vastly after Soviet troops were ordered back to their camps in Russia and left residential areas in Germany.
IN PICTURES: How German women suffered largest mass rape in history by Soviets
FDR and Eisenhower were warmonger mass murderers and traiters that are burning in hell right now ignoring the REAL evil person they should have gone after was Stalin who they were both pals with.
ALL three were sad excuses for human beings were all evil monsters that our evil corrupt government treats as heros in this sick society we live in.
Patton was a true american hero and patriot.It is suspected Eisenhower murdered him because he told the TRUTH that Stalin was the REAL enemy the united stated should have gone after but didn't.He came out and said that he could have defeated him but was not allowed to by these two mother fucker traiters.
“I could have taken it (Berlin) had I been allowed.”
Letter from General George Patton to his wife on July 21, 1945.
Rightwinger <3 Uncle Joe.
So cute!
We rescued the west
