In my fourth attempt to get information, I ask forum Democrats to provide proof that Russia...

Blackrook

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...influenced the election, or that Trump colluded with the Russians in influencing the election.
 
There is no proof other than that nonsensical story "17 Intelligence Agencies"......what a crock.

note: Day 1 I asked. $20T debt. Why do we have at least 17 "intelligence agencies". I am always out front. Combine down to TWO. Foreign and Domestic. Done. Cut Cut Cut.
 
Every mental case democrat nutter who treated the fake news story as fact needs to come forward and apologize. We all know who you are and Preparation H will not soothe the pain.
 
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There is no proof other than that nonsensical story "17 Intelligence Agencies"......what a crock.

note: Day 1 I asked. $20T debt. Why do we have at least 17 "intelligence agencies". I am always out front. Combine down to TWO. Foreign and Domestic. Done. Cut Cut Cut.

Turns out the 17 intelligence agencies was actually only 4.
 
...influenced the election, or that Trump colluded with the Russians in influencing the election.
You can ask it 400 times and you'll get the same answer.

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...influenced the election, or that Trump colluded with the Russians in influencing the election.

Your wait will be an idle one for none of them have any proof. Some of them THINK they have proof, specious proof because maybe 17 years ago Trump built a golf course in Russia; all the rest KNOW they have no truth and just go along with whatever sound bites and talking points they can pick up from MSNBC because their only intention is a deliberate one to attack Trump not on what he does, but on his person himself. The funniest thing of all is that many of Trump's ideas are themselves somewhat liberal to begin with and what the Left has itself called for for years and not fundamentally "conservative," as the GOP itself objected to and recognized through much of Trump's campaign itself!!! Example: when asked three roles of the Fed, one of the ones Trump named was Healthcare! That is a liberal doctrine, not Republican! Yet the Left still rails against him because basically, they are all idiot nut-jobs.
 
Well, if I was a forum moderator, I think I would have conversation with the admin and other moderators to have all Trump-Russia threads put in the Conspiracy Theory section, because so far, that's all it is.
 
The problem is that Russia hacking our voting machines, Russia putting out fake news, several people close to Trump have lied about Russian contacts, sevreal people left because of it, several people getting money directly from Russia or Russian stooges, Trump telling Russia to find the emails Hillary deleted and they'll be rewarded, Russia hacking both political parties computers....none of that is proof of anything to you.

Not even 2 of them REGISTERING as Foreign agents isn't even proof of anything fishy at least.

Hell one guy received a friends hip award from Putin himself. BUT even that doesn't mean anything.

So when you say you've asked and never received an answer, the problem is that you don't accept any answer as being proof, circumstancial direct or even eye brow raising.
 
The problem is that Russia hacking our voting machines, Russia putting out fake news, several people close to Trump have lied about Russian contacts, sevreal people left because of it, several people getting money directly from Russia or Russian stooges, Trump telling Russia to find the emails Hillary deleted and they'll be rewarded, Russia hacking both political parties computers....none of that is proof of anything to you.

Not even 2 of them REGISTERING as Foreign agents isn't even proof of anything fishy at least.

Hell one guy received a friends hip award from Putin himself. BUT even that doesn't mean anything.

So when you say you've asked and never received an answer, the problem is that you don't accept any answer as being proof, circumstancial direct or even eye brow raising.
Please provide a link to prove any of what you have just said.
 
The problem is that Russia hacking our voting machines, Russia putting out fake news, several people close to Trump have lied about Russian contacts, sevreal people left because of it, several people getting money directly from Russia or Russian stooges, Trump telling Russia to find the emails Hillary deleted and they'll be rewarded, Russia hacking both political parties computers....none of that is proof of anything to you.

Not even 2 of them REGISTERING as Foreign agents isn't even proof of anything fishy at least.

Hell one guy received a friends hip award from Putin himself. BUT even that doesn't mean anything.

So when you say you've asked and never received an answer, the problem is that you don't accept any answer as being proof, circumstancial direct or even eye brow raising.
Is it an issue when the US uses its vast intelligence assets, capabilities, and tax payer money in an attempt to disrupt other countries elections?
 
The problem is that Russia hacking our voting machines, Russia putting out fake news, several people close to Trump have lied about Russian contacts, sevreal people left because of it, several people getting money directly from Russia or Russian stooges, Trump telling Russia to find the emails Hillary deleted and they'll be rewarded, Russia hacking both political parties computers....none of that is proof of anything to you.

Not even 2 of them REGISTERING as Foreign agents isn't even proof of anything fishy at least.

Hell one guy received a friends hip award from Putin himself. BUT even that doesn't mean anything.

So when you say you've asked and never received an answer, the problem is that you don't accept any answer as being proof, circumstancial direct or even eye brow raising.

This is an example of an insane person. This is not a function of Low IQ and or ignorance, or is it? Either way it appears to be a function of insanity. I am not making a judgement, just stating facts.
 
Blackrook, post: 17630907
...influenced the election, or that Trump colluded with the Russians in influencing the election.


"Influenced the election" is not a "proof" issue. It is a matter of opinion right now based on the actions we've seen from Trump's campaign officials and his appointments and Trump's own expressed praise of Putin, as well as the ongoing bi-partisan investigations in Congress and the justice department. Proof will be the result of the investigations.

Trump told the Russians he fired Comey to take the pressure off the investigations.

Just listen to the buffoon president. Nothing wrong with formed opinions based solely on what the clown in the Oval Office says and tweets.

Short answer: Your question is stupid during the start of a very serious investigation.
 
...influenced the election, or that Trump colluded with the Russians in influencing the election.
What credentials or experience do you have to indicate you would recognize evidence if it were shown to you? Evidence is often circumstantial and often a matter of subjective opinion. That is how you are able to deny or ignore evidence that is presented as a response to your inquiries.
Individuals connected to trump lied about contacts with Russian officials and contacts, even to the point of signing and submitting national security applications. That is evidence, but what you are looking for is a smoking gun, so you reject this evidence.
 
...influenced the election, or that Trump colluded with the Russians in influencing the election.
What credentials or experience do you have to indicate you would recognize evidence if it were shown to you? Evidence is often circumstantial and often a matter of subjective opinion. That is how you are able to deny or ignore evidence that is presented as a response to your inquiries.
Individuals connected to trump lied about contacts with Russian officials and contacts, even to the point of signing and submitting national security applications. That is evidence, but what you are looking for is a smoking gun, so you reject this evidence.
My credentials are not the issue, your lack of evidence is the issue. And I note you have not provided me with a link to back up what you say. Surely, you must have something?
 
The problem is that Russia hacking our voting machines, Russia putting out fake news, several people close to Trump have lied about Russian contacts, sevreal people left because of it, several people getting money directly from Russia or Russian stooges, Trump telling Russia to find the emails Hillary deleted and they'll be rewarded, Russia hacking both political parties computers....none of that is proof of anything to you.

Not even 2 of them REGISTERING as Foreign agents isn't even proof of anything fishy at least.

Hell one guy received a friends hip award from Putin himself. BUT even that doesn't mean anything.

So when you say you've asked and never received an answer, the problem is that you don't accept any answer as being proof, circumstancial direct or even eye brow raising.
Do you believe Russia changed your vote?
 
...influenced the election, or that Trump colluded with the Russians in influencing the election.
What credentials or experience do you have to indicate you would recognize evidence if it were shown to you? Evidence is often circumstantial and often a matter of subjective opinion. That is how you are able to deny or ignore evidence that is presented as a response to your inquiries.
Individuals connected to trump lied about contacts with Russian officials and contacts, even to the point of signing and submitting national security applications. That is evidence, but what you are looking for is a smoking gun, so you reject this evidence.
My credentials are not the issue, your lack of evidence is the issue. And I note you have not provided me with a link to back up what you say. Surely, you must have something?
I just gave you something and as predicted, you go into denial and play stupid mode. Do you really need a link to show that trump associated got caught hiding meetings with Russian contacts? It's been front page news for months and the trump associates have admitted the contacts.
Your response indicates you are not serious or seeking an honest discussion. You obviously prefer a circle jerk kind of trash talking game with others who will agree with your opinions. Another truth bashing thread for the poorly informed and.or brainwashed cult of trump.
 
...influenced the election, or that Trump colluded with the Russians in influencing the election.

What do we know so far.

Analysis | 5 times Donald Trump’s team denied contact with Russia

More Trump advisers disclose meeting with Russia's ambassador - CNNPolitics.com
Comey says FBI began investigation into Russia meddling in July

In this 8 minute Fox News video--Shep Smith states that Trump surrogates where not only on the phone with the Russian ambassador but with Russian intelligence agents, including the very day that DNC databases were getting hacked into.



Trump aides were in constant touch with senior Russian officials during campaign - CNNPolitics.com

John McCain wants to know why "we will not arm Ukranians against pro Russian Separatists" was put in the Republican platform at the RNC Convention". See above link--More Trump advisers disclose meeting with Russian Ambassador.

McCain states a lot more shoes to drop on the Russian investigation

Adam Schiff co-chair of the House Intelligence commitee had this to say.


Michael Flynn--currently under criminal investigation for committing a Felony by lying to the FBI. We find out he was acting as an undisclosed foreign agent while attending National Security briefings, being a paid lobbyist for Turkey and receiving payments from Russia. Who then asked for immunity against prosecution--stating "he has a story to tell." During the Senate hearing he pleaded the 5th.
Ironically enough, Obama warned Trump to not hire Flynn.
Flynn seeks immunity for testimony - CNNPolitics.com
Flynn reportedly lied to FBI about sanctions talk with Russian envoy
Flynn was paid to lobby for Turkey while attending Trump intel briefings: report
Trump adviser Flynn paid by multiple Russia-related entities, new records show
Michael Flynn will invoke 5th Amendment, won't comply with Senate's subpoena due to 'escalating public frenzy against him'
Obama warned Trump about hiring Flynn - CNNPolitics.com

Jeff Sessions: who recently offered up his resignation. Also accused of lying under oath to congress, for not disclosing that he had met with the Russian ambassador twice during the campaign season Now there is allegedly a 3rd time he did not disclose that he met with the Russian Ambassador.
Jeff Sessions spoke twice with Russian envoy during presidential campaign: Department of Justice
Sessions recuses himself from Russia investigations - CNNPolitics.com
Sources: Congress investigating another possible Sessions-Kislyak meeting - CNNPolitics.com
Jeff Sessions offered to quit during exchange with Trump - CNNPolitics.com

Jared Kushner: Trump's son-in-law who asked the Russian Ambassador for a direct private secure line to the Kremlin.
Washington Post: Kushner proposed secret communication channel with Kremlin - CNNPolitics.com


Trump fires FBI Director James Comey:
Trump fires FBI director James Comey - CNNPolitics.com


Trump admits to OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE in an NBC T.V interview with Lester Holt. Trump makes the statement that he fired Comey over the Russian investigation. Video link below "EXCLUSIVE."
Trump being investigated for possible obstruction of justice

EXCLUSIVE: President Trump reveals he asked Comey whether he was under investigation

Trump meets with the Russians in the Oval Office while he blocks out American media and lets Russian media in. In the process he gives the Russians highly sensitive classified information--that had never gone through the process of being declassified.
Trump revealed highly classified information to Russian foreign minister and ambassador

Trump Revealed Highly Classified Intelligence to Russia, in Break With Ally, Officials Say

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White House furious after being trolled with Russia Oval Office photos - CNNPolitics.com

It appears that U.S. Intelligence sources warned Israeli Intelligence to not give sensitive information to Trump, out of concern that he was compromised by the Russians.
The source of the intel Trump shared with Russia reportedly was warned months ago not to give it to him

US spies 'warned Israel not to share intelligence with Trump'


James Comey leaks memo's and then testifies that Trump pressured him to drop the Flynn investigation, and called him about the Russian cloud hanging over his administration.
James Comey testimony: Trump asked me to let Flynn probe go - CNNPolitics.com


Robert Mueller is appointed special prosecutor:
Special counsel appointed in Russia probe - CNNPolitics.com

This has now gone from a congressional probe, and has turned into a criminal investigation.
http://nypost.com/2017/05/18/lindsey-graham-russia-probe-now-a-criminal-investigation/

Robert Mueller hires Michael Dreeben--criminal law expert.
Top criminal law expert joins special counsel Robert Mueller’s Russia probe

Robert Mueller adds another investigation into Obstruction of Justice.
Wash. Post: Mueller investigating Trump for obstruction - CNNPolitics.com

In very recent news--Yesterday--Justice Department officials forced Trump's former campaign manager, Paul Manafort to register as a Foreign Agent. Apparently he worked for the Russians in 2012-2014 receiving 17 million from them.
Paul Manafort retroactively registers with Justice Dept. as foreign agent

In the coming weeks/months you'll hear more names mentioned: Jerad Kushner, Michael Flynn, Roger Stone, Paul Manafort, Carter Page & J.D. Gordon--and possibly more we haven't heard about yet.
James Clapper says Watergate scandal "pales" in comparison with Russian claims - CBS News

They don't move from congressional probes into criminal investigations without evidence of a crime being committed.


At any rate news will be coming out slower on this as Lindsey Graham explained. Since this is now a criminal investigation everyone will clam up and lawyer up--which is what they have been doing.
 
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...influenced the election, or that Trump colluded with the Russians in influencing the election.
What credentials or experience do you have to indicate you would recognize evidence if it were shown to you? Evidence is often circumstantial and often a matter of subjective opinion. That is how you are able to deny or ignore evidence that is presented as a response to your inquiries.
Individuals connected to trump lied about contacts with Russian officials and contacts, even to the point of signing and submitting national security applications. That is evidence, but what you are looking for is a smoking gun, so you reject this evidence.
My credentials are not the issue, your lack of evidence is the issue. And I note you have not provided me with a link to back up what you say. Surely, you must have something?
I just gave you something and as predicted, you go into denial and play stupid mode. Do you really need a link to show that trump associated got caught hiding meetings with Russian contacts? It's been front page news for months and the trump associates have admitted the contacts.
Your response indicates you are not serious or seeking an honest discussion. You obviously prefer a circle jerk kind of trash talking game with others who will agree with your opinions. Another truth bashing thread for the poorly informed and.or brainwashed cult of trump.
So someone talked to a Russian. Then what happened?
 

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