In just six months, the largest tax hikes in the history of America will take effect

[Charles_Main]

I love it, we show them that we do not think they way they say all republicans do, and their answer is, were not republicans.

To rich.

 

[JakeStarkey]

You are not, Charles, and daveman said he wasn't.

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

"FU" doesn't count, sonny. Whenever you post here about things you do not understand you look like a fool. Then you whine instead of stand up. Here is some free advice.

Step off, you JBS clone.

The only private correspondence I have had with you was a perfunctory FU.
If you have a reason to believe the government will be any more "right" about its estimates on the cost of the new health care bill then they were on their previous attempts at prognostication present that rational.
If you have any rational argument to over look history present it .
Put away the juvenile asbo bluster and bring the reason.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/2469828-post51.html

You are the blusterer, I have corrected you before, I will do it again, and you will still look stupid. Quit whining, wipe.

The only private correspondence I have had with you was a perfunctory FU.
If you have a reason to believe the government will be any more "right" about its estimates on the cost of the new health care bill then they were on their previous attempts at prognostication present that rational.
If you have any rational argument to over look history present it .
Put away the juvenile asbo bluster and bring the reason.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/2469828-post51.html

 

[daveman]

You are not a Republican, so you don't count.

And you're not a conservative. So you have no business discussing conservative values.

I am not a reactionary, you got that right. (1) Fiscal responsibility, (2) transparency, (3) lower taxes, (4) regulations that foster business competition and (5) prevent businesses betting against the welfare of the country, and treason laws for punishing violations of (5).

So where does the rabid defense of Democrats and liberal values come in?

 

[JakeStarkey]

I love it, we show them that we do not think they way they say all republicans do, and their answer is, were not republicans.

To rich.

Charles, that is what you accuse those of whom you disagree of being none Republicans, then you whine when you get accurately accused of being wannabees. Get over it son.

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

You are not a Republican, so you don't count.

And you're not a conservative. So you have no business discussing conservative values.

I am not a reactionary, you got that right. (1) Fiscal responsibility, (2) transparency, (3) lower taxes, (4) regulations that foster business competition and (5) prevent businesses betting against the welfare of the country, and treason laws for punishing violations of (5).

(1) Fiscal responsibility
Please link to post and threads where you condemn the stimulass package and the New Health care bill.
(2) transparency
Please link to post and threads where you condemn the behind the doors meetings that created the landrue Louisianan purchase and bought off Congressman Sestak

 

[JakeStarkey]

You are the blusterer, Mr. Fitnah. I have corrected you before, I will do it again, and you will still look stupid. I told you before to stop whining, wipe. But you are still whining, stain. What you offered did not apply. Now try again, or continue to be the worthless JBS fool you appear to be, Now offer something that applies. You have not done that, and I won't waste my time on trivialities with you.

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

You are the blusterer, I have corrected you before, I will do it again, and you will still look stupid. I told you before to stop whining, wipe. But you are still whining, stain. What you offered did not apply. Now try again, or continue to be worthless JBS fool you appear to be, Mr. Fitnah.

The personal attacks dont work
you claiming victory doesn't work
produce a rational fact based argument.
The only private correspondence I have had with you was a perfunctory FU.
If you have a reason to believe the government will be any more "right" about its estimates on the cost of the new health care bill then they were on their previous attempts at prognostication present that rational.
If you have any rational argument to over look history present it .
Put away the juvenile asbo bluster and bring the reason.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/2469828-post51.html

 

[JakeStarkey]

Learn to spell, Fitnah. We write in English here. Industry forced government to act. If industry had not screwed up, government would not have to act. So, yes, fiscal responsibility, initiated by Bush and followed by Obama, was necessary. If the insurance industry had not got greedy and come between the citizen and his doctor, we would not be in the situation that government has to do what industry wouldn't do. If you think business comes before the citizen, you are not an American.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Fitnah, you were slapped down and will continued to be so until you grow up.

Your comments do not apply to the future.

Now give something worthwhile.

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

Learn to spell, Fitnah. We write in English here. Industry forced government to act. If industry had not screwed up, government would not have to act. So, yes, fiscal responsibility, initiated by Bush and followed by Obama, was necessary. If the insurance industry had not got greedy and come between the citizen and his doctor, we would not be in the situation that government has to do what industry wouldn't do. If you think business comes before the citizen, you are not an American.

Irrelevant .
Provide a rational to suspend doubt knowing the previous prognostication and expect the prices to come in anywhere near what Obama and the CBO claim?

Based on historic data why expect the new guess to be any more accurate than the old guesses?

Medicare (hospital insurance). In 1965, as Congress considered legislation to establish a national Medicare program, the House Ways and Means Committee estimated that the hospital insurance portion of the program, Part A, would cost about $9 billion annually by 1990.v Actual Part A spending in 1990 was $67 billion. The actuary who provided the original cost estimates acknowledged in 1994 that, even after conservatively discounting for the unexpectedly high inflation rates of the early ‘70s and other factors, “the actual [Part A] experience was 165% higher than the estimate.”

Medicare (entire program). In 1967, the House Ways and Means Committee predicted that the new Medicare program, launched the previous year, would cost about $12 billion in 1990. Actual Medicare spending in 1990 was $110 billion—off by nearly a factor of 10.

Medicaid DSH program. In 1987, Congress estimated that Medicaid’s disproportionate share hospital (DSH) payments—which states use to provide relief to hospitals that serve especially large numbers of Medicaid and uninsured patients—would cost less than $1 billion in 1992. The actual cost that year was a staggering $17 billion. Among other things, federal lawmakers had failed to detect loopholes in the legislation that enabled states to draw significantly more money from the federal treasury than they would otherwise have been entitled to claim under the program’s traditional 50-50 funding scheme.

Medicare home care benefit. When Congress debated changes to Medicare’s home care benefit in 1988, the projected 1993 cost of the benefit was $4 billion. The actual 1993 cost was more than twice that amount, $10 billion.

Medicare catastrophic coverage benefit. In 1988, Congress added a catastrophic coverage benefit to Medicare, to take effect in 1990. In July 1989, the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) doubled its cost estimate for the program, for the four-year period 1990-1993, from $5.7 billion to $11.8 billion. CBO explained that it had received newer data showing it had significantly under-estimated prescription drug cost growth, and it warned Congress that even this revised estimate might be too low. This was a principal reason Congress repealed the program before it could take effect.

SCHIP. In 1997, Congress established the State Children’s Health Insurance Program as a capped grant program to states, and appropriated $40 billion to be doled out to states over 10 years at a rate of roughly $5 billion per year, once implemented. In each year, some states exceeded their allotments, requiring shifts of funds from other states that had not done so. By 2006, unspent reserves from prior years were nearly exhausted. To avert mass disenrollments, Congress decided to appropriate an additional $283 million in FY 2006 and an additional $650 million in FY 2007.

http://jec.senate.gov/republicans/p...orm_Cost_Estimates_Reliable__July_31_2009.pdf

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

Fitnah, you were slapped down and will continued to be so until you grow up.

Your comments do not apply to the future.

Now give something worthwhile.

You are not a Republican, so you don't count.

And you're not a conservative. So you have no business discussing conservative values.

I am not a reactionary, you got that right. (1) Fiscal responsibility, (2) transparency, (3) lower taxes, (4) regulations that foster business competition and (5) prevent businesses betting against the welfare of the country, and treason laws for punishing violations of (5).

(1) Fiscal responsibility
Please link to post and threads where you condemn the stimulass package and the New Health care bill.
(2) transparency
Please link to post and threads where you condemn the behind the doors meetings that created the landrue Louisianan purchase and bought off Congressman Sestak

 

[JakeStarkey]

What Mr. F posts has nothing to do with whether HC will be more or less expensive than what we have now. Common sense tells us that if insurance companies have to compete fairly for business, prices will go down.

And what the economic predator will not admit is that the industry caused the problem.

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

What Mr. F posts has nothing to do with whether HC will be more or less expensive than what we have now. Common sense tells us that if insurance companies have to compete fairly for business, prices will go down.

And what the economic predator will not admit is that the industry caused the problem.

If you can put aside your victory dance.
Your claim was the price of health care will go down .
I asking based on what history says you are wrong Im asking for the specifics of why you believe what you believe.

You as made these statements that I would like to proof

You are not a Republican, so you don't count.

And you're not a conservative. So you have no business discussing conservative values.

I am not a reactionary, you got that right. (1) Fiscal responsibility, (2) transparency, (3) lower taxes, (4) regulations that foster business competition and (5) prevent businesses betting against the welfare of the country, and treason laws for punishing violations of (5).

(1) Fiscal responsibility
Please link to post and threads where you condemn the stimulass package and the New Health care bill.
(2) transparency
Please link to post and threads where you condemn the behind the doors meetings that created the landrue Louisianan purchase and bought off Congressman Sestak

 

[JakeStarkey]

What Mr. F posts has nothing to do with whether HC will be more or less expensive than what we have now. Common sense tells us that if insurance companies have to compete fairly for business, prices will go down.

And what the economic predator will not admit is that the industry caused the problem.

Your claim was the price of health care will go down .
I asking based on what history says you are wrong Im asking for the specifics of why you believe what you believe.

You as made these statements that I would like to proof

And you're not a conservative. So you have no business discussing conservative values.

I am not a reactionary, you got that right. (1) Fiscal responsibility, (2) transparency, (3) lower taxes, (4) regulations that foster business competition and (5) prevent businesses betting against the welfare of the country, and treason laws for punishing violations of (5).

(1) Fiscal responsibility
Please link to post and threads where you condemn the stimulass package and the New Health care bill.
(2) transparency
Please link to post and threads where you condemn the behind the doors meetings that created the landrue Louisianan purchase and bought off Congressman Sestak

Fitnah continues to lie. Here is the link for all to read: http://www.usmessageboard.com/2468902-post19.html. (1) does not apply (2) does not apply

What does apply is economic predation enabled by the government is over.

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

Ok obviously the post was to much for you I will break it into 2 parts

Part 1

What Mr. F posts has nothing to do with whether HC will be more or less expensive than what we have now. Common sense tells us that if insurance companies have to compete fairly for business, prices will go down.

And what the economic predator will not admit is that the industry caused the problem.

If you can put aside your victory dance.
Your claim was the price of health care will go down .
I asking based on what history says you are wrong Im asking for the specifics of why you believe what you believe.

You as made these statements that I would like to proof

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

Part 2

You are not a Republican, so you don't count.

And you're not a conservative. So you have no business discussing conservative values.

I am not a reactionary, you got that right. (1) Fiscal responsibility, (2) transparency, (3) lower taxes, (4) regulations that foster business competition and (5) prevent businesses betting against the welfare of the country, and treason laws for punishing violations of (5).

(1) Fiscal responsibility
Please link to post and threads where you condemn the stimulass package and the New Health care bill.
(2) transparency
Please link to post and threads where you condemn the behind the doors meetings that created the landrue Louisianan purchase and bought off Congressman Sestak

 

[JakeStarkey]

[Yes, insurance prices will go down. Can you read clearly, Mr. F? Remember that we write English here.

Mr. Fitnah has declared war against America.

 

[daveman]

Learn to spell, Fitnah. We write in English here. Industry forced government to act. If industry had not screwed up, government would not have to act. So, yes, fiscal responsibility, initiated by Bush and followed by Obama, was necessary. If the insurance industry had not got greedy and come between the citizen and his doctor, we would not be in the situation that government has to do what industry wouldn't do. If you think business comes before the citizen, you are not an American.

Statist.

 

[HyenaKiller]

Jake Starkey, you sure are one stupid morAn....