In firing Tom Price, Trump just did what Obama never could

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    So true, when did Obama ever hold anyone responsible, including himself?

    A few excerpts below.

    In firing Tom Price, Trump just did what Obama never could: Accept blame and tell a bureaucrat 'you're fired'

    When Mexican drug runners gunned down Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry in 2010 with a firearm they bought through the Fast and Furious program, Obama had no knowledge of the situation. Rather than aiding the investigation, the president would later invoke executive privilege to hide documents from a House committee. And Obama never publicly reprimanded Attorney General Eric Holder, let alone fire him.

    Same thing happened with the Veterans Health Administration scandal of 2014. After at least 40 patients died waiting in line trying to get care, Obama pled ignorance, ordered an investigation, and signed some reform legislation. He did not fire anyone.

    When tax agents targeted conservatives for their political beliefs, violating their First Amendment rights, the president issued a harshly worded statement. IRS Director John Koskinen wasn't fired, reprimanded, or otherwise – nor was Lois Lerner, who was primarily responsible for the scandal as the director of the Exempt Organizations Unit of the IRS. She even kept her job after destroying her computer hard drives to hide evidence.
     
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    There are a couple of issues at work. The media brought Price's excesses to light and that's their duty. The problem was that the media spent their time protecting the crooks in the Obama administration instead of doing their duty. It's alleged that Leon Panetta went through about 800k in flights every week but as long as the media gave him a free ride everything was fine. Hussein should at the very least have fired his IRS chief for spying on and punishing political enemies but he issued a rarely used "executive privilege" order that prevented her from testifying at a congressional investigation and there wasn't a peep of protest from the media. Trump did the right thing and Obama didn't have to. That's the way the double standard works.
     
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    Actually, Obama did just that.

    But, letting Price get away with paying only 13%?

    You're right -- That's pure pino trump.
     
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    Not true. General Shinseki, the VA Secretary, resigned his post.
     
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    Maybe it's a holdover from Watergate, but it's not the same thing to have somebody resign, then getting fired. Nixon resigned rather than being impeached and removed from office, aka fired.
     
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    Your excerpts seem to be interestingly chosen. Just like the article itself seems to contradict itself. For instance. First it says this. "Trump just accepted the resignation", to then say this" Trump accepted responsibility. His guy screwed up, and Trump owned up to that failure by firing the guy he chose." Now I know what you are going to say, its just semantics. I agree but then this would be a contradiction.He did not fire anyone. Obama instead had his secretary of health and human services request that the VA's top health official, Robert Petzel, retire — a few months earlier than Petzel originally planned." It then blasts Obama for as the article states "When tax agents targeted conservatives for their political beliefs, violating their First Amendment rights" While the sentence before reads "Trump later fired more than 500 federal employees via executive order." In the end it comes down to the following. You site an article that is so biased it contradicts its own viewpoints in the same paragraphs. And as such your OP fails.
     
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    CBS has reported he used 400k while other outlets have reported up to 1 million.
    While I think a full investigation is warranted I believe we should wait to demand repayment until we know the true extent of what is owed.
    When he is doing government work but no flights are possible then a private arrangement is acceptable. To determine that status in each circumstance will require looking into the details rather than a knee jerk partisan demand of x dollars.
     
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    $400K in private charters, another $600K in military charters.
     
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    Oh and btw, another thing the article didn't mention about the fast and furious scandal as you call it. " ATF’s current acting director, Ken Melson, will move to Justice’s Office of Legal Policy this week to become a senior adviser on forensic science, the Justice Department said. Dennis Burke, the U.S. Attorney for Arizona who oversaw prosecutions in that state related to the Fast and Furious operation, stepped down and left the federal government.Acting ATF chief steps down

    So that too seems to points to your OP being factually wrong.
     

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