In Britain, man executed, with gun in front of mums with children...

[pismoe]

the likelihood of my guns killing anyone in my family is ZERO tell me what 43 times ZERO is.

I had a friend who thought the same thing until her teenage kid killed himself with that gun they bought for protection.

----------------------------- kid musta been mentally messed up and his being mentally messed up finally caught up with him eh JoeB ??

 

[pismoe]

people have guns in the home so as to be PREPARED same as having a fire extinguisher in the kitchen , a spare tire in the car , smoke and fire detectors in the house JoeB .

 

[JoeB131]

Suicides don't count never did never will if there wasn't a gun in the house the kid could have committed suicide in any of a hundred other ways

Not really.

First, most other methods aren't as effective... and people who survive a suicide attempt usually don't try again.

 

[JoeB131]

people have guns in the home so as to be PREPARED same as having a fire extinguisher in the kitchen , a spare tire in the car , smoke and fire detectors in the house JoeB .

Except those things are useful. A gun really isn't.

kid musta been mentally messed up and his being mentally messed up finally caught up with him eh JoeB ??

Or he was just having a bad day, he would have gotten over if there wasn't a gun in the house.

But you guys need to compensate for your shortcomings, I doubt you care much about anyone else.

 

[pismoe]

so just your opinion eh JoeB. Course the spare tire and fire extinguisher , and yada , yada are only useful until they are NEEDED , same as a GUN JoeB .

 

[pismoe]

people have guns in the home so as to be PREPARED same as having a fire extinguisher in the kitchen , a spare tire in the car , smoke and fire detectors in the house JoeB .

Except those things are useful. A gun really isn't.

kid musta been mentally messed up and his being mentally messed up finally caught up with him eh JoeB ??

Or he was just having a bad day, he would have gotten over if there wasn't a gun in the house.

But you guys need to compensate for your shortcomings, I doubt you care much about anyone else.

------------------------------------------- CARE [chuckle] . Care ain't worth much or anything except in a family unit but even that is iffy . And here in the USA a person can care as much or as little as a person likes JoeB .

 

[JoeB131]

so just your opinion eh JoeB. Course the spare tire and fire extinguisher , and yada , yada are only useful until they are NEEDED , same as a GUN JoeB .

Except guns aren't needed.

Germany, Japan, the UK, France, Italy all ban or limit private gun ownership, they have LOWER crime rates than we do an their murder rates are in the hundreds instead of the tens of thousands like ours are.

Care ain't worth much or anything except in a family unit but even that is iffy . And here in the USA a person can care as much or as little as a person likes JoeB .

Absolutely... the whole conservative movement is based on selfishness..

But that said, the rest of us who aren't compensating for tiny peckers are getting a little tired of the costs of the gun fetish.

We are tired of carrying the 270 BILLION in economic losses guns cause.

We are tried of having to walk through security checkpoints, key-cards and metal detectors because we don't know which of you nuts are going to go postal that day.

We are tired of sending our kids off to school with clear backpacks not knowing if they will be involved in a mass shooting.

 

[2aguy]

Suicides don't count never did never will if there wasn't a gun in the house the kid could have committed suicide in any of a hundred other ways

Not really.

First, most other methods aren't as effective... and people who survive a suicide attempt usually don't try again.

You mean except in Japan, China and Korea...where they have higher suicide rates than we do, and only the criminals have guns.....and in many countries in Europe where they also have a higher suicide rate than we do....but don’t let the truth get in the way of your lie....

 

[2aguy]

people have guns in the home so as to be PREPARED same as having a fire extinguisher in the kitchen , a spare tire in the car , smoke and fire detectors in the house JoeB .

Except those things are useful. A gun really isn't.

kid musta been mentally messed up and his being mentally messed up finally caught up with him eh JoeB ??

Or he was just having a bad day, he would have gotten over if there wasn't a gun in the house.

But you guys need to compensate for your shortcomings, I doubt you care much about anyone else.

Nothing you just posted is even remotely true, you have been shown it isn't true, and you still post it......

 

[2aguy]

so just your opinion eh JoeB. Course the spare tire and fire extinguisher , and yada , yada are only useful until they are NEEDED , same as a GUN JoeB .

Except guns aren't needed.

Germany, Japan, the UK, France, Italy all ban or limit private gun ownership, they have LOWER crime rates than we do an their murder rates are in the hundreds instead of the tens of thousands like ours are.

Care ain't worth much or anything except in a family unit but even that is iffy . And here in the USA a person can care as much or as little as a person likes JoeB .

Absolutely... the whole conservative movement is based on selfishness..

But that said, the rest of us who aren't compensating for tiny peckers are getting a little tired of the costs of the gun fetish.

We are tired of carrying the 270 BILLION in economic losses guns cause.

We are tried of having to walk through security checkpoints, key-cards and metal detectors because we don't know which of you nuts are going to go postal that day.

We are tired of sending our kids off to school with clear backpacks not knowing if they will be involved in a mass shooting.

Those countries always had lower crime rates than the U.S. long before they banned guns.....their criminals did not commit murder as often as ours did....their socieites had feudalism, class based societies, World war 1 and 2 that killed off their young males, and disrupted their societal development...they are now catching up...

You can't explain how it is that Britain has more gun crime, not less, after banning and confiscating guns...on an island...meanwhile, you can't explain and never address how our gun murder rate went down 49% as we went from 4 million people carrying guns to over 17.25 million people carrying guns for self defense and from 200 million guns in private hands to close to 600 million guns in private hands.....at the same time, gun crime went down 75%, violent crime went down 72%

You can't explain how Britain has more gun crime now than before they banned guns, and we have less as more Americans own and carry guns...

 

[2aguy]

so just your opinion eh JoeB. Course the spare tire and fire extinguisher , and yada , yada are only useful until they are NEEDED , same as a GUN JoeB .

Except guns aren't needed.

Germany, Japan, the UK, France, Italy all ban or limit private gun ownership, they have LOWER crime rates than we do an their murder rates are in the hundreds instead of the tens of thousands like ours are.

Care ain't worth much or anything except in a family unit but even that is iffy . And here in the USA a person can care as much or as little as a person likes JoeB .

Absolutely... the whole conservative movement is based on selfishness..

But that said, the rest of us who aren't compensating for tiny peckers are getting a little tired of the costs of the gun fetish.

We are tired of carrying the 270 BILLION in economic losses guns cause.

We are tried of having to walk through security checkpoints, key-cards and metal detectors because we don't know which of you nuts are going to go postal that day.

We are tired of sending our kids off to school with clear backpacks not knowing if they will be involved in a mass shooting.

Americans use their guns to save lives 1.1 million times a year according to the CDC..... and the actual lives saved was put at about 170,000 a year......not including the rapes, and robberies stopped, and the money saved by that...

Case Closed: Kleck Is Still Correct



If this 1/3 vs. 2/3 ratio of deaths to injuries in actual shootings pertains in these DGUs, that makes for at least 176,000 lives saved—less some attackers who lost their lives to defenders. This enormous benefit dwarfs, both in human and economic terms, the losses trumpeted by hoplophobes who only choose to see the risk side of the equation.

Annual Defensive Gun Use Savings Dwarf Study's "Gun Violence" Costs - The Truth About Guns

ut all of that would be a drop in the bucket compared to the $1,000,000,000,000 ($1T) annual benefit of gun ownership.

When compared to the (inflation adjusted from 2002) $127.5 billion ‘cost’ of gun violence calculated by by our Ludwig-Cook buddies, guns save a little more than eight times what they “cost.”

Which, I might add, is completely irrelevant since “the freedom to own and carry the weapon of your choice is a natural, fundamental, and inalienable human, individual, civil, and Constitutional right — subject neither to the democratic process nor to arguments grounded in social utility.”

So even taking Motherboard’s own total and multiplying it by 100, the benefits to society of civilian gun ownership dwarf the associated costs.

 

[JoeB131]

Americans use their guns to save lives 1.1 million

Save your NRA Spooge for someone who just fell off the turnip truck.

Only 200 justified homicides with guns by civilians... 1.1 million doesn't pass the laugh test.

 

[2aguy]

Americans use their guns to save lives 1.1 million

Save your NRA Spooge for someone who just fell off the turnip truck.

Only 200 justified homicides with guns by civilians... 1.1 million doesn't pass the laugh test.

Moron...it is the CDC research..... and counting dead thugs doesn't collect all the data...are you this stupid, or just pretending to be this stupid......most criminals, as you have been told over and over again, run away instead of getting shot......or they surrender, rather than being shot, or when shot, don't die....but still get arrested.....

You didn't fall off the turnip truck, you were pushed, then they ran you over, several times....

 

[2aguy]

Suicides don't count never did never will if there wasn't a gun in the house the kid could have committed suicide in any of a hundred other ways

Not really.

First, most other methods aren't as effective... and people who survive a suicide attempt usually don't try again.

You are a moron...

Fact Check, Gun Control and Suicide



There is no relation between suicide rate and gun ownership rates around the world.

According to the 2016 World Health Statistics report, (2) suicide rates in the four countries cited as having restrictive gun control laws have suicide rates that are comparable to that in the U. S.: Australia, 11.6, Canada, 11.4, France, 15.8, UK, 7.0, and USA 13.7 suicides/100,000. By comparison, Japan has among the highest suicide rates in the world, 23.1/100,000, but gun ownership is extremely rare, 0.6 guns/100 people.

Suicide is a mental health issue. If guns are not available other means are used. Poisoning, in fact, is the most common method of suicide for U. S. females according to the Washington Post (34 % of suicides), and suffocation the second most common method for males (27%).

Secondly, gun ownership rates in France and Canada are not low, as is implied in the Post article. The rate of gun ownership in the U. S. is indeed high at 88.8 guns/100 residents, but gun ownership rates are also among the world’s highest in the other countries cited. Gun ownership rates in these countries are are as follows: Australia, 15, Canada, 30.8, France, 31.2, and UK 6.2 per 100 residents. (3,4) Gun ownership rates in Saudia Arabia are comparable to that in Canada and France, with 37.8 guns per 100 Saudi residents, yet the lowest suicide rate in the world is in Saudia Arabia (0.3 suicides per 100,000).

Third, recent statistics in the state of Florida show that nearly one third of the guns used in suicides are obtained illegally, putting these firearm deaths beyond control through gun laws.(5)

Fourth, the primary factors affecting suicide rates are personal stresses, cultural, economic, religious factors and demographics.

According to the WHO statistics, the highest rates of suicide in the world are in the Republic of Korea, with 36.8 suicides per 100,000, but India, Japan, Russia, and Hungary all have rates above 20 per 100,000; roughly twice as high as the U.S. and the four countries that are the basis for the Post’s calculation that gun control would reduce U.S. suicide rates by 20 to 38 percent. Lebanon, Oman, and Iraq all have suicide rates below 1.1 per 100,000 people--less than 1/10 the suicide rate in the U. S., and Afghanistan, Algeria, Jamaica, Haiti, and Egypt have low suicide rates that are below 4 per 100,000 in contrast to 13.7 suicides/100,000 in the U. S.

 

[JoeB131]

Moron...it is the CDC research..... and counting dead thugs doesn't collect all the data...are you this stupid, or just pretending to be this stupid......most criminals, as you have been told over and over again, run away instead of getting shot......or they surrender, rather than being shot, or when shot, don't die....but still get arrested.....

Again, given that we have 2 million people in prison, you'd have us believe that we have 1.1 million being scared off with a gun and being arrested? Really?

Come on, it doesn't pass the laugh test.

There is no relation between suicide rate and gun ownership rates around the world.

Let's look at that from GunPolicy.org

The UK- 106 gun suicides out of 4800 total suicides. (7.60/100K)

The US - 22,938 gun suicides out of 44876 suicides (13.9/100K)

Yes, having guns makes suicides worse.

But let's look at other peer countries.

Canada - 544 Gun suicides out of 3924 suicies (11.44/100K). Canada has looser gun rules than the UK, but tighter than the US>

Germany - Has probably the loosest gun laws in the G7 other than the US.

but their suicide rate is still lower than ours (12.60) with 719 gun suicides out of 10,000.

The country that throws everything off, of course, is Japan. But Japan is a country where suicide is not only culturally acceptable but even a long part of their traditions. (It is better to die than bring shame upon your family.)

Again, 23,000 gun suicides a year, too high a price to pay for your fetish.

 

[JoeB131]

Do you ever thing 2AGuy is out there like Batman, waiting for the call.

"Quickly, Boy Wonder, someone is on the internet criticizing guns again! To the Gun Mobile!"

 

[2aguy]

Moron...it is the CDC research..... and counting dead thugs doesn't collect all the data...are you this stupid, or just pretending to be this stupid......most criminals, as you have been told over and over again, run away instead of getting shot......or they surrender, rather than being shot, or when shot, don't die....but still get arrested.....

Again, given that we have 2 million people in prison, you'd have us believe that we have 1.1 million being scared off with a gun and being arrested? Really?

Come on, it doesn't pass the laugh test.

There is no relation between suicide rate and gun ownership rates around the world.

Let's look at that from GunPolicy.org

The UK- 106 gun suicides out of 4800 total suicides. (7.60/100K)

The US - 22,938 gun suicides out of 44876 suicides (13.9/100K)

Yes, having guns makes suicides worse.

But let's look at other peer countries.

Canada - 544 Gun suicides out of 3924 suicies (11.44/100K). Canada has looser gun rules than the UK, but tighter than the US>

Germany - Has probably the loosest gun laws in the G7 other than the US.

but their suicide rate is still lower than ours (12.60) with 719 gun suicides out of 10,000.

The country that throws everything off, of course, is Japan. But Japan is a country where suicide is not only culturally acceptable but even a long part of their traditions. (It is better to die than bring shame upon your family.)

Again, 23,000 gun suicides a year, too high a price to pay for your fetish.

Moron...what part of the people in other countries who have higher suicide rates and extreme gun control do you not understand? It isn't just Japan you moron.....

According to the 2016 World Health Statistics report, (2) suicide rates in the four countries cited as having restrictive gun control laws have suicide rates that are comparable to that in the U. S.: Australia, 11.6, Canada, 11.4, France, 15.8, UK, 7.0, and USA 13.7 suicides/100,000. By comparison, Japan has among the highest suicide rates in the world, 23.1/100,000, but gun ownership is extremely rare, 0.6 guns/100 people.

 

[2aguy]

Moron...it is the CDC research..... and counting dead thugs doesn't collect all the data...are you this stupid, or just pretending to be this stupid......most criminals, as you have been told over and over again, run away instead of getting shot......or they surrender, rather than being shot, or when shot, don't die....but still get arrested.....

Again, given that we have 2 million people in prison, you'd have us believe that we have 1.1 million being scared off with a gun and being arrested? Really?

Come on, it doesn't pass the laugh test.

There is no relation between suicide rate and gun ownership rates around the world.

Let's look at that from GunPolicy.org

The UK- 106 gun suicides out of 4800 total suicides. (7.60/100K)

The US - 22,938 gun suicides out of 44876 suicides (13.9/100K)

Yes, having guns makes suicides worse.

But let's look at other peer countries.

Canada - 544 Gun suicides out of 3924 suicies (11.44/100K). Canada has looser gun rules than the UK, but tighter than the US>

Germany - Has probably the loosest gun laws in the G7 other than the US.

but their suicide rate is still lower than ours (12.60) with 719 gun suicides out of 10,000.

The country that throws everything off, of course, is Japan. But Japan is a country where suicide is not only culturally acceptable but even a long part of their traditions. (It is better to die than bring shame upon your family.)

Again, 23,000 gun suicides a year, too high a price to pay for your fetish.

And of those 2.2 million in prison, the democrats keep letting out the most violent offenders over and over again.....

 

[Skull Pilot]

Suicides don't count never did never will if there wasn't a gun in the house the kid could have committed suicide in any of a hundred other ways

Not really.

First, most other methods aren't as effective... and people who survive a suicide attempt usually don't try again.

Care to prove that with a link?

and suicide is a choice not a crime but we all know how you feel about letting people make their own choices

 

[Skull Pilot]

people have guns in the home so as to be PREPARED same as having a fire extinguisher in the kitchen , a spare tire in the car , smoke and fire detectors in the house JoeB .

Except those things are useful. A gun really isn't.

kid musta been mentally messed up and his being mentally messed up finally caught up with him eh JoeB ??

Or he was just having a bad day, he would have gotten over if there wasn't a gun in the house.

But you guys need to compensate for your shortcomings, I doubt you care much about anyone else.

Not useful to you but who the fuck are you to say what other people consider useful

oh yeah you're fucking nobody