In a hospital, really?

[P F Tinmore]

Challenger, et al,

There is no such thing as the Zionist Justice System. In fact, I find Legal System of the Jewish State of Israel even more difficult to describe than the difference between the various composite factions that make-up Israeli Society.

If you don't believe that a valid investigation is going to be preformed, then you really shouldn't raise the issue.

I note your freudian slip there RoccoR, clearly you do understand the true nature of the Zionist justice system.

(COMMENT)

The Israeli Legal System is a complex architecture that have similarities to English Common Law, British Mandate Regulations, blended with the Halakha, Christian biblical morals, and sharia law. It mimics the diverse nature that is the face of Israel Society. But if there is such a thing as "Zionist Law," it is not incorporated into the mainstream of the complex legal system of Israel.

I raised the issue because the Zionist state promotes itself as "a bastion of freedom and Western democracy in a benighted Muslim middle east" yet constantly resorts to extra-judicial killings (a.k.a. murders), assassinations, collective punishment, illegal detentions, house demolitions, brutality on a scale no Western regime would countenance these days.

(COMMENT)

Answer Direct: This is a subjective view, for a situation that Western Legal concepts are not geared to address. What you subjectively call extra-judicial killings (a.k.a. murders), assassinations, collective punishment, illegal detentions, house demolitions, and brutality is --- in many respects --- the evolution of the appropriate force necessary to subdue an otherwise renegade and radicalized Islamic culture that directly advocates Jihad and openly rejects settlement of their international disputes by negotiation, inquiry, mediation, conciliation, arbitration, judicial settlement, resort to regional agencies or arrangements or other peaceful means of their choice. The Islamist answer to solving the Palestinian question, Hamas advocates violent Jihad until Israel is destroyed (the attainment of a political outcome through the systematic use of force). HAMAS is generally thought of as having a Sunni based foundation. And Jihadist groups such as al-Qaeda have repeatedly criticized HAMAS for recognizing man-made laws and becoming involved in democratic elections, while HAMAS, in turn, has repressed – and sometimes fought against – rival Jihadist groups to secure it power. Now this tidbit is very important when you examine the overall difference in strategy between HAMAS and FATAH.

LAWFARE: HAMAS does not engage in high visibility efforts to apply "man-made" law to the given situation and conflict. However, the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) and FATAH do. The classic example has been to attempt to apply pressure on the Jewish State by collecting and amassing an impressive bundle of non-binding General Assembly Resolution which condemn Israel in one way or another in the Israeli containment process of various violent elements and radicalized Islamic threats in the region. However, FATAH has engaged in a deliberate campaign of filing a series of malicious complaints with the International Criminal Court (ICC), in a gamble designed to punish and silence those who engage in public discourse about radical Islam. This is dovetailed with the radicalized and dangerous unrest Islamic Jihadists have demonstrated resent European countries targeted to be coerced to achieve their political goals. Up to this point many countries, in order to avoid a confrontation with the more violent aspects of radicalized Islamic elements, have chosen to appear opposed to Israeli tactics and strategies by publicly condemning Israel, but privately appreciative of their containment (in the interest of public concern and international regional security) effort of potential Islamic threats (as demonstrated in France within the last couple of days).

It appears that, unless it is at least contained both militarily and politically, the Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS) will continue to expand and threaten major instability in the region with the prospect of escalating the conflict that could eventually draw in DAESH (Islamic State). Raising the two key question among other Regional Arab States:

• Can the Jihadist revolution be contained?
• What will be the ramification of forcing Israel to lift its containment of the Sunni Jihadists in Palestine?

When those 20 IDF soldiers are arested and brought to trial and convicted with more than a judicial slap on the wrist, I'll believe a valid investigation has taken place and Zionist Israel is indeed a "bastion of freedom and Western democracy" until then I'll remain skeptical.

Any day is a good day to neutralize a terrorist.
Any place is a good place to neutralize a terrorist.

As I said, so much for due process. The nazis said the same thing about the resistance movements of occupied Europe in WW2.

(COMMENT)

I guess I should have said that "Any Day is a Good Day to enforce Article 68 of the Geneva Convention!" --- OR --- Maybe I should have said that Any Day is a Good Day to intensify and accelerate the exchange of operational information, especially regarding actions or movements of terrorist persons or networks; S/RES/1373 (2001). "Nothing can justify terrorism — ever. No grievance, no goal, no cause can excuse terrorist acts." (Secretary-General January 2013)

Most Respectfully,
R

I guess I should have said that "Any Day is a Good Day to enforce Article 68 of the Geneva Convention!"​

OK, but article 68 violations are a civilian concern. The response is law enforcement not military. The perpetrators must be duly arrested and taken to court. Since there is no death penalty in civil law, incarceration is the only option after determination of guilt.

 

[Roudy]

Ruffles address the issues at hand. Stop your personal attacks. It's a warning.

You're the one that's constantly going off topic. Address the topic and stop vomiting Jew hate. Once again, the topic, depraved Palestinians using hospitals as rocking launching sites:

Finnish TV Reporter at Gaza’s Al Shifa Hospital: ‘It’s True That Rockets Are Launched Here From the Gazan Side Into Israel’ (VIDEO)

NDTV Exclusive: How Hamas Assembles and Fires Rockets

And stop threatening me, that's a warning.

 

[Roudy]

George Habash was a Muslim?

It is you that are trying to foment war and hatred between Muslims and Christians believing it will good for Jews. It won't. Jews are not Christians Ruffles. We believe in Jesus Christ, Christ is fundamental to our religion. While a few American fundy Christians may be hoodwinked, the vast majority of world's Christians do not have any special affinity with Jews or Muslims. Why should we?

And stop accusing people of being antisemitic because they don't support Israel. It is a canard and it is getting old.

One useful idiot named George Habash from the 70's and he wasn't Palestinian he was Lebanese. As opposed to what...the tens of thousands of Muslim terrorists hundreds of thousands of terrorist acts since "Habash"? You are a joke and a failure, Achmed.

You should seriously reconsider spewing your useless bullshit talking points, you aren't fooling anybody. Like it or not, the Muslims have declared holy war on Christians, non believers, freedom, democracy, humanity, and everything the West stands for. And it's playing out on a daily basis, today it's in France, yesterday it was Beiruit, and before that it was Iraq.

So yes, unlike trolling, obsessed, out of work, Jew hating scum like you who vomits hate 24/7 on this forum, of course Christians and humanity in general is concerned with genocidal Muslim savages.

Your usual lies are easily exposed.

George Habash

Born 2 August 1926
Lydda, British Mandate of Palestine

British mandate of Palestine, ha ha ha. Well, your terrorist hero did operate out of Lebanon, eventually:

In 1970, Habash masterminded the hijackings of four Western airliners over the United States, Europe, the Far East and the Persian Gulf. The aircraft were blown up, after the passengers and crews were forced to disembark.

The Dawson's Field hijackings of 1970 were instrumental in provoking the Black September crackdown, which came close to destroying the PLO. The hijackings led King Hussein of Jordan to carry out a major offensive against militant strongholds in his kingdom resulting in the deaths of thousands of Palestinians.[7] In autumn 1970, Habash visited Beijing. After Black September, the PLO fedayeen relocated to Lebanon.

In 1972, Habash experienced failing health, and gradually began to lose influence within the organization. The Palestinian National Council's (PNC) adoption of a resolution viewed by the PFLP as a two-state solution in 1974, prompted Habash to lead his organization out of active participation in the PLO and to join the Iraqi-backed Rejectionist Front. Only in 1977 would the PFLP opt to rejoin, as the Palestinian factions rallied their forces in opposition to Anwar Sadat's overtures towards Israel, pro-U.S. policies and fragmentation of the Arab world. During the Lebanese Civil War that broke out in 1975, PFLP forces were decimated in battle against Syria Later, the PFLP would draw close to Syria, as Syria's government shifted, but PFLP involvement in the Lebanese war remained strong until the U.S.-negotiated evacuation of PLO units from Beirut in 1982, and continued on a smaller scale after that.

By the way, how many countries have Palestinians tried to make their own using violence and terror? Let's see, Israel, Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Kuwait...Damn! And we're not done yet!

 

[P F Tinmore]

montelatici, et al,

Yes, you keep trying to equate HAMAS Jihadist and PLO Fedayeen with the "The Maquis." What the "HAMAS Jihadist and PLO Fedayeen" are engaged in is a direct violation of International Humanitarian Law and they should be brought to justice under Article 68, of the Fourth Geneva Convention.

An armed (with a firearm) Israeli settler in the West Bank is part of the armed occupation forces. How can a Palestinian that attacks the occupying forces be considered a terrorist? Does that mean the French Resistance were terrorists? I don't get the logic.

(OBERVATION)

Your view of the Israelis is not unique. The Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS) believes something very, very similar: Khalid Mishaal, HAMAS Vision for Palestine Issues:

8. The Zionist project is a racist, hostile, and expansionist project based on murder and terrorism. Hence, it is the enemy of the Palestinian people and nation and poses a real threat to them, as well as to their security and interests. Indeed, it would not be an exaggeration to say that it is a danger to the security of the humanitarian community, its interests and its stability.​

(COMMENT)

Any Palestinian who commit an offense which is solely intended to harm the Israeli Occupying Power, shall be liable to internment or simple imprisonment, provided the duration of such internment or imprisonment is proportionate to the offense committed.

The death penalty on a any Arab-Palestinian may be imposed in cases where the person is guilty of espionage, of serious acts of sabotage against the Israeli Defense Force installations or Border Police Facilities or attacks which have caused the death of one or more persons.

In late 2012, Khalid Mishaal, the Chief of the Political Bureau of the Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS) released this Policy Paper relative to the HAMAS Vision: “The Islamists in the Arab World and the Palestinian Issue, In Light of the Arab Uprisings,”.

Jihad and armed resistance is the correct and authentic means for the liberation of Palestine and the restoration of all rights.

§ Independent Palestinian national decision: This is a principle that is based on non-dependency or reliance on any other country or party in the world, whether it be a friend, ally, enemy, or opponent. However, this does not mean, nor can we accept it in the context of limiting the Palestinian issue to the Palestinians and terminating or weakening the Arab and Islamic roles. The issue of Palestine was, and will remain, not only an Arab and Islamic issue, but also a humanitarian issue.

• Resistance: This is a primary principle and our strategic choice. Some have had doubts that talk of a truce is giving up on the resistance; this of course arbitrary. In short, the path of resistance, in terms of its preparation, organization, and performance for the liberation of Palestine, is a path that cannot be interrupted. In addition to this, the management of the decision of escalation and truce, as well as diversifying our methods and manners, all fall under the process of managing the decision, and not the principle of the decision, as the principle cannot be changed.

• Moreover, even if the enemy and the settlers are out of Gaza, Gaza cannot be taken out of the circle of the conflict, even though necessity calls for the change of its role in the battle by virtue of its circumstances. Thankfully, Gaza is still a source of hope, not only for Palestine but for the entire region. We have just emerged from an aggressive war on the Gaza Strip, which was ended with a victory for the Palestinian resistance, which succeeded in ending the war on its terms.

• In the case of the West Bank, the absence of the resistance for several years does not change its origin or principle, but is a necessity for our people due to the massive security pressures from every direction, near and far. We consider the decline of the resisting role inevitable and a forced reality we strive to overcome by upholding our intention and preparing for a new start. Allah willing, the resistance will return to the West Bank, reassuming its effective and essential role in every phase of the Palestinian struggle, as the enemy will not withdraw from our land without the pressure of resistance.​

This is a form of rationalization and justification to support the incitement to action in opposition to the prohibition in Chapter I, Article 2(4) of the Charter; and the Principles of International Law concerning Friendly Relations and Co-operation among States. Currently, the motivation of HAMAS has three bedrock ideas:

• No abandonment of rights (not comprehensively defined);
• No abandonment of any part of Palestine;
• No recognition of “Israel.”
​

This is not so different in construct to the Khartoum Resolution (1967):

• No peace with Israel,
• No recognition of Israel,
• No negotiations with Israel.
​

WHAT does all this mean? I implies that the Palestinians, as separate and independent terrorist entities, have established institutionalized regime of systematic targeting Israelis and a mission to remove the Jewish State of Israel.

The Palestinians routinely target civilians and civilian objects.

Most Respectfully,
R

This is a form of rationalization and justification to support the incitement to action in opposition to the prohibition in Chapter I, Article 2(4) of the Charter; and the Principles of International Law concerning Friendly Relations and Co-operation among States. Currently, the motivation of HAMAS has three bedrock ideas:

• No abandonment of rights (not comprehensively defined);
• No abandonment of any part of Palestine;
• No recognition of “Israel.”​

So. what is illegal about self defense and liberation?

 

[montelatici]

If the European Zionists had not robbed the Christians and Muslims of Palestine of their land and country, they would not need to seek a place of their own.

 

[P F Tinmore]

So what about the extra judicial mass murders in France of unarmed non military civilians, or is that allowed because it was carried out by "freedom fighters"

Pulling a weapon when surrounded by armed police is not a clever thing to do, and they will shoot you in the head and upper body to minimise any risk.

Any evidence that the Palestinians were involved?

 

[Hollie]

If the European Zionists had not robbed the Christians and Muslims of Palestine of their land and country, they would not need to seek a place of their own.

No one robbed the Arab beggars and squatters of any mythical "Palestine"

Your spamming aside, this thread was just another weird islamo-conspiracy.

 

[flacaltenn]

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