Impeachment

[easyt65]

Pelosi, Schiff, & Nadler led the charge...A
OC, Tlaib, & Omar will use it to seize control from the old white dinosaurs

 

[beautress]

Pelosi, Schiff, & Nadler led the charge...A
OC, Tlaib, & Omar will use it to seize control from the old white dinosaurs

OC Tlaib and Omar are one-term wonders who hate America. Their constituents have had enough of their cheating, thieving, name-calling, and offensive relationships.

 

[easyt65]

The Senate got their hands on some of those pens and are going to sign the President's acquittal with them....then hand them back to Pelosi, Schiff, and Nadler to keep as 'commemorative keeps-sakes'.

 

[waltky]

But only old dinosaurs can vote.

 

[Dick Foster]

Pelosi, Schiff, & Nadler led the charge...A
OC, Tlaib, & Omar will use it to seize control from the old white dinosaurs

OC Tlaib and Omar are one-term wonders who hate America. Their constituents have had enough of their cheating, thieving, name-calling, and offensive relationships.

Never ever underestimate the stupidity of democratic party voters. Remember they were stupid enough to put those shit heads and many more like them there in the first place.

 

[easyt65]

"Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo?"


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[Penelope]

Wasn't the house managers awesome ,esp. Adam Schiff. I don't know why they wasted their breaths on those deaf and dumb republicans.

 

[Zorro!]

Wasn't the house managers awesome ,esp. Adam Schiff. I don't know why they wasted their breaths on those deaf and dumb republicans.

Sure, he lost, but was magnificent as he repeatedly tried to bully the jury, that for once, stood up to his incoherent self-righteous puritanical outbursts of rage.

WATCH THEM CHANGE THEIR TUNE WHEN THE BARR/DURHAM PROSECUTIONS BEGIN: House Dem Closing Argument: Only Guilty People Assert Their Rights And Insist On Judicial Review, Or Something.

As an expression of just how bankrupt this argument is, it’s as good as it gets, too. Demings told the Senate that asserting legal rights and privileges in an investigation is “what guilty people do,” which has both defense and civil-rights attorneys cringing from coast to coast.

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First Demings omits a fundamental defect in the process. The House never formally authorized an impeachment inquiry, a choice that left the inquiry in a legal limbo at the beginning. Courts might have taken a more skeptical view of executive privilege in a duly authorized impeachment inquiry, but House Democrats skipped that step for purely political reasons. Trump wasn’t defying an impeachment inquiry — he was defying a fishing expedition conducted by the House Intelligence Committee, rather than an investigation by the House Judiciary Committee where impeachment inquiries are usually handled.

That defect in Demings’ argument is small potatoes when it comes to her next point. Guilty people assert rights and privileges, Demings argues, while innocent people produce evidence to prove their innocence in our system:

DEMINGS: The president’s obstruction was unlawful and unprecedented—but it also confirmed his guilt. Innocent people don’t try to hide every document and witness, especially those that would clear them. That’s what guilty people do. That’s what guilty people do. Innocent people do everything they can to clear their name, and provide evidence that shows that they are innocent.

This is most assuredly not how our system of jurisprudence works. Innocent people — especially those with reason to suspect that an investigation might be biased or corrupt — are very well advised to assert every single one of their rights and privileges along the way. Ask Richard Jewell (figuratively speaking) how well cooperation worked out for him. Innocent people are not required to exonerate themselves; prosecutors are required to use all lawful means to provide evidence of their guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

That defect in Demings’ argument is small potatoes when it comes to her next point. Guilty people assert rights and privileges, Demings argues, while innocent people produce evidence to prove their innocence in our system:

DEMINGS: The president’s obstruction was unlawful and unprecedented—but it also confirmed his guilt. Innocent people don’t try to hide every document and witness, especially those that would clear them. That’s what guilty people do. That’s what guilty people do. Innocent people do everything they can to clear their name, and provide evidence that shows that they are innocent.​

This is most assuredly not how our system of jurisprudence works. Innocent people — especially those with reason to suspect that an investigation might be biased or corrupt — are very well advised to assert every single one of their rights and privileges along the way. Ask Richard Jewell (figuratively speaking) how well cooperation worked out for him. Innocent people are not required to exonerate themselves; prosecutors are required to use all lawful means to provide evidence of their guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

Demings’ attitude is precisely why the Bill of Rights exists and why the burden of proof is on the prosecutors rather than defendants. The phrase “lawyering up” denigrates what is almost always a very wise decision that’s not necessarily related at all to innocence or guilt. When investigators start making demands for access to documents, it’s best to demand a subpoena and test it in court to make sure your rights are protected.

Furthermore, executive privilege is a constitutional part of the presidency’s status as a co-equal branch elected separately by the people. The mere existence of a House investigation doesn’t negate it in any way, shape, or form. The House could have taken the Trump administration to court to argue its case that privilege didn’t cover these documents and witnesses, and they could have accelerated that process by voting for a formal impeachment inquiry.

DEMINGS: But it would be a mistake to view the president’s obstruction narrowly, as the president’s counsel have tried to portray it. The president didn’t try to defy the House’s impeachment inquiry as part of a routine interbranch dispute, or because he wanted to protect the constitutional rights and privileges of his presidency. He did it consistent with his vow to fight all subpoenas.​

And … so what? In America, people get to fight subpoenas. The House never bothered to fight for their subpoenas, and in most cases didn’t even bother to issue them at all. They just yelled obstruction, a conclusion as absurd as Demings’ emoting all over the podium.

Whether one likes Trump or not, and regardless of what people think of the other article of impeachment, this argument is dangerous for American justice and constitutional order. It’s a demand to treat the accused as guilty until proven innocent, to regard assertion of rights as evidence of guilt, and to hand massive power over to prosecutors — including in Congress — to railroad people at will. Demings wants an all-powerful House without any checks or balance by the executive or judiciary, and that is far more dangerous to the Republic than anything they have charged Trump with doing.

The Senate will soon vote to protect the Constitution from The House's Attempt To Place Themselves Above The Law.