Impeachment Does Not Require a Crime

[AzogtheDefiler]

This again!!!!!!?!?!

Impeachment must never occur on an opinion. NEVER. This is what happened here. We agree there was a phone call. The phone call transcript was released. Aid to Ukraine was released. Zelensky said he did not feel pressured. Burisma situation is at best questionable in terms of how Hunter got that gig. But in the end we are all speculating and guessing when it comes to Trump’s intent.

The politicians have wasted our money by this bullshit process and people like IM2 racist, do not that the intelligence or education to see that.

People need to wake up.

“You don’t even have to be convicted of a crime to lose your job in this constitutional republic if this body determines that your conduct as a public official is clearly out of bounds in your role. Impeachment is not about punishment. Impeachment is about cleansing the office. Impeachment is about restoring honor and integrity to the office.”

Lindsey Graham

Right, but it must NEVER happen on an opinion.

 

[Siete]

Then, you will have no problem with impeachment proceedings against the next Democrat to hold the office starting within hours of his inauguration?

Hmm. I don't remember the House bringing up impeachment right after Trump was elected. Probably because Republicans controlled the House. Sure you always had the fringe on the Dem party side calling for that...but Nancy was there to squash them...even after the Russia investigation concluded, Nancy said no. Until Trump just couldn't stop his inner stupid from coming out and she had no choice.

So if any future Dem President solicits a foreign power to intervene in our election on their behalf, yep, I'm up for the same treatment. But it has to rise to the level of what Trump did (and we know he'll be acquitted), not the eight years of crap the Republicans threw against the wall when Obama was president.

are you claiming some representatives haven't been pushing for his impeachment since he took office?

Rep. Green says impeachment began when Trump "was running for office"

So are you saying Trump can commit any violation of the Constitution or commit every crime because one guy said something stupid?

No

I'm saying, and backing it up, that some have been pushing to remove Trump from office since he took it.

There were some stupid remarks made by Democrats early on, I will give you that.

since anything one guy says seems to be the holy grail, lets go with this -

vows from the start -

"The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president,"

 

[hadit]

Trump has already been impeached - HELLOOOOOOOOOOOOO DUMBASSES.

DDDDDDDDDUUUUUUUUUUURRRRRRRRRRRR

Which means he's now unbound because he has nothing more to fear. The democrats threw their biggest weapon at him and he's still standing, so buckle up.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

This again!!!!!!?!?!

Impeachment must never occur on an opinion. NEVER. This is what happened here. We agree there was a phone call. The phone call transcript was released. Aid to Ukraine was released. Zelensky said he did not feel pressured. Burisma situation is at best questionable in terms of how Hunter got that gig. But in the end we are all speculating and guessing when it comes to Trump’s intent.

The politicians have wasted our money by this bullshit process and people like IM2 racist, do not that the intelligence or education to see that.

People need to wake up.

“You don’t even have to be convicted of a crime to lose your job in this constitutional republic if this body determines that your conduct as a public official is clearly out of bounds in your role. Impeachment is not about punishment. Impeachment is about cleansing the office. Impeachment is about restoring honor and integrity to the office.”

Lindsey Graham

Right, but it must NEVER happen on an opinion.

It is always based upon an opinion. What is "out of bounds" is 100% subjective.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Impeachment does not require a crime and Hamilton said as much.

See: Op-Ed: Alexander Hamilton would have led the charge to oust Donald Trump

‘Trumpers will get their way and Trump will be exonerated.

‘But when the next president debases the constitution and abuses his office like Trump, they can look back today who they supported.

Unlike Trumpers if the next president is a democrat and acts like Trump and debases the constitution and abuses his office just like Trump, I will not be a good cultist like the Trumpist, but will stand up for what is right.

Going on the definition of high crimes and misdemeanors:

’The convention adopted “high crimes and misdemeanors” with little discussion. Most of the framers knew the phrase well. Since 1386, the English parliament had used “high crimes and misdemeanors” as one of the grounds to impeach officials of the crown. Officials accused of “high crimes and misdemeanors” were accused of offenses as varied as misappropriating government funds, appointing unfit subordinates, not prosecuting cases, not spending money allocated by Parliament, promoting themselves ahead of more deserving candidates, threatening a grand jury, disobeying an order from Parliament, arresting a man to keep him from running for Parliament, losing a ship by neglecting to moor it, helping “suppress petitions to the King to call a Parliament,” granting warrants without cause, and bribery. Some of these charges were crimes. Others were not. The one common denominator in all these accusations was that the official had somehow abused the power of his office and was unfit to serve.“

https://www.crf-usa.org/impeachment/high-crimes-and-misdemeanors.htm

Abuse of power , among other offense, were considered as impeachable.

The Trumpers puts Trump before the constitution like Putin is above his constitution. Two peas in a pod.

Stop with the doom and gloom that our democracy is destroyed because the GOP senate acquitted Trump for bullshit charges. Every impeachment is based on a unique set of facts. The democrats pushed a bad impeachment case and got clobbered. It got shoved up their asses sideways.
1. Article-1 is dead because hearsay is not allowed in the senate like it was in the House, and Dershowitz will also prove that the charge doesn't rise to the level needed for impeachment. That is a very high bar.
2. Article-2 is dead because the USSC said that Trump does have due process rights, and that Trump can take House subpoenas to court, as well as claims of "executive privilege".

What the half-baked democrat impeachment against Trump did do was setup every president for impeachment by the House for nonsensical "crimes".

I guess your handler finally got off the crapper and emailed you the response he thought sounded the best. Sorry, it doesn't work. Tell him to try again. And to please keep his crap off his keyboard.

Potty humor? Says a lot for your education level. If you don't know how to debate point by point don't post.

Please ask Uncle Vlad for some new material. What you have isn't being accepted by the majority of the American Public anymore. Get some fresh stuff. I am sure Uncle Vlad has some good stuff handy

 

[Auld Phart]

Hmm. I don't remember the House bringing up impeachment right after Trump was elected. Probably because Republicans controlled the House. Sure you always had the fringe on the Dem party side calling for that...but Nancy was there to squash them...even after the Russia investigation concluded, Nancy said no. Until Trump just couldn't stop his inner stupid from coming out and she had no choice.

So if any future Dem President solicits a foreign power to intervene in our election on their behalf, yep, I'm up for the same treatment. But it has to rise to the level of what Trump did (and we know he'll be acquitted), not the eight years of crap the Republicans threw against the wall when Obama was president.

are you claiming some representatives haven't been pushing for his impeachment since he took office?

Rep. Green says impeachment began when Trump "was running for office"

So are you saying Trump can commit any violation of the Constitution or commit every crime because one guy said something stupid?

No

I'm saying, and backing it up, that some have been pushing to remove Trump from office since he took it.

There were some stupid remarks made by Democrats early on, I will give you that.

since anything one guy says seems to be the holy grail, lets go with this -

vows from the start -

"The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president,"

I don't remember Green being speaker, and he was not the only one pushing for impeachment, long before the whistleblower gave Schiff his second hand information.

 

[Oddball]

The title speaks for itself. Abuse of power is an impeachable offense. trumps impeachment is constitutionally correct.

Presidential Impeachment: The Legal Standard and Procedure - FindLaw

You know what it does require?....A 2/3 vote by the Senate for enforcement and removal.

Ain't gonna happen....Suck it, loser.

 

[DOTR]

Impeachment does not require a crime and Hamilton said as much.

See: Op-Ed: Alexander Hamilton would have led the charge to oust Donald Trump

‘Trumpers will get their way and Trump will be exonerated.

‘But when the next president debases the constitution and abuses his office like Trump, they can look back today who they supported.

Unlike Trumpers if the next president is a democrat and acts like Trump and debases the constitution and abuses his office just like Trump, I will not be a good cultist like the Trumpist, but will stand up for what is right.

Going on the definition of high crimes and misdemeanors:

’The convention adopted “high crimes and misdemeanors” with little discussion. Most of the framers knew the phrase well. Since 1386, the English parliament had used “high crimes and misdemeanors” as one of the grounds to impeach officials of the crown. Officials accused of “high crimes and misdemeanors” were accused of offenses as varied as misappropriating government funds, appointing unfit subordinates, not prosecuting cases, not spending money allocated by Parliament, promoting themselves ahead of more deserving candidates, threatening a grand jury, disobeying an order from Parliament, arresting a man to keep him from running for Parliament, losing a ship by neglecting to moor it, helping “suppress petitions to the King to call a Parliament,” granting warrants without cause, and bribery. Some of these charges were crimes. Others were not. The one common denominator in all these accusations was that the official had somehow abused the power of his office and was unfit to serve.“

https://www.crf-usa.org/impeachment/high-crimes-and-misdemeanors.htm

Abuse of power , among other offense, were considered as impeachable.

The Trumpers puts Trump before the constitution like Putin is above his constitution. Two peas in a pod.

The next president won’t be a democrat though. You haven’t brought in enough foreigners yet...not quite. You have only enfranchised felons in three state’s so far and to date the Constitution still stands against your attacks on the electoral college.

 

[Oddball]

Impeachment does not require a crime and Hamilton said as much.

See: Op-Ed: Alexander Hamilton would have led the charge to oust Donald Trump

‘Trumpers will get their way and Trump will be exonerated.

‘But when the next president debases the constitution and abuses his office like Trump, they can look back today who they supported.

Unlike Trumpers if the next president is a democrat and acts like Trump and debases the constitution and abuses his office just like Trump, I will not be a good cultist like the Trumpist, but will stand up for what is right.

Going on the definition of high crimes and misdemeanors:

’The convention adopted “high crimes and misdemeanors” with little discussion. Most of the framers knew the phrase well. Since 1386, the English parliament had used “high crimes and misdemeanors” as one of the grounds to impeach officials of the crown. Officials accused of “high crimes and misdemeanors” were accused of offenses as varied as misappropriating government funds, appointing unfit subordinates, not prosecuting cases, not spending money allocated by Parliament, promoting themselves ahead of more deserving candidates, threatening a grand jury, disobeying an order from Parliament, arresting a man to keep him from running for Parliament, losing a ship by neglecting to moor it, helping “suppress petitions to the King to call a Parliament,” granting warrants without cause, and bribery. Some of these charges were crimes. Others were not. The one common denominator in all these accusations was that the official had somehow abused the power of his office and was unfit to serve.“

https://www.crf-usa.org/impeachment/high-crimes-and-misdemeanors.htm

Abuse of power , among other offense, were considered as impeachable.

The Trumpers puts Trump before the constitution like Putin is above his constitution. Two peas in a pod.

Stop with the doom and gloom that our democracy is destroyed because the GOP senate acquitted Trump for bullshit charges. Every impeachment is based on a unique set of facts. The democrats pushed a bad impeachment case and got clobbered. It got shoved up their asses sideways.
1. Article-1 is dead because hearsay is not allowed in the senate like it was in the House, and Dershowitz will also prove that the charge doesn't rise to the level needed for impeachment. That is a very high bar.
2. Article-2 is dead because the USSC said that Trump does have due process rights, and that Trump can take House subpoenas to court, as well as claims of "executive privilege".

What the half-baked democrat impeachment against Trump did do was setup every president for impeachment by the House for nonsensical "crimes".

I guess your handler finally got off the crapper and emailed you the response he thought sounded the best. Sorry, it doesn't work. Tell him to try again. And to please keep his crap off his keyboard.

Potty humor? Says a lot for your education level. If you don't know how to debate point by point don't post.

Please ask Uncle Vlad for some new material. What you have isn't being accepted by the majority of the American Public anymore. Get some fresh stuff. I am sure Uncle Vlad has some good stuff handy

A request for "fresh stuff", from the dweeb still invoking PUTIN!


JFC are you liberoidals banal as fuck.

 

[DOTR]

We have gone from Dimwingers wailing about all the crimes Trump has committed to “We don’t need no stinking crimes”.

The desperation after just 2 hours is hilarious.

And from “remove him “ to “at least censure him please please”

They have been losing so long they think it’s normal.

 

[Oddball]

The next president won’t be a democrat though. You haven’t brought in enough foreigners yet...but quite. You have only enfranchised felons in three state’s do far and to date the Constitution still stands against your attacks on the electoral college.

The current president is a democrat....That's how far left the Democrat Party has lunged over the last decade.

 

[ThisIsMe]

I agree with the OP ... the House can impeach, and Senate remove from office, for any reason they want to ... it's one of the "checks and balances" built into our constitution ...

My reasoning is that this is a strictly political process, not a judicial one ... to my knowledge, there has never be a case of removal from office accepted by the Federal District Courts ... however, my knowledge is quite limited, so if someone has a reference to an actual court case accepted, I'd be more than happy to read it; and if true, rescind my claims in this post ...

No evidence, no proof, no nothing ... just 2/3's the Senate is all ...

I disagree. With such a loose definition of high crimed and misdemeanors, you could end up with Congress being able to overturn elections because they dont like the candidate or because they want to take power.

Impeachment needs to be for major serious offenses only.

 

[Siete]

This again!!!!!!?!?!

Impeachment must never occur on an opinion. NEVER. This is what happened here. We agree there was a phone call. The phone call transcript was released. Aid to Ukraine was released. Zelensky said he did not feel pressured. Burisma situation is at best questionable in terms of how Hunter got that gig. But in the end we are all speculating and guessing when it comes to Trump’s intent.

The politicians have wasted our money by this bullshit process and people like IM2 racist, do not that the intelligence or education to see that.

People need to wake up.

“You don’t even have to be convicted of a crime to lose your job in this constitutional republic if this body determines that your conduct as a public official is clearly out of bounds in your role. Impeachment is not about punishment. Impeachment is about cleansing the office. Impeachment is about restoring honor and integrity to the office.”

Lindsey Graham

Right, but it must NEVER happen on an opinion.

It is always based upon an opinion. What is "out of bounds" is 100% subjective.

I played with a guy that considered the parking lot to be the only out of bounds.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

The next president won’t be a democrat though. You haven’t brought in enough foreigners yet...but quite. You have only enfranchised felons in three state’s do far and to date the Constitution still stands against your attacks on the electoral college.

The current president is a democrat....That's how far left the Democrat Party has lunged over the last decade.

It is also how far the Repub Party has followed them to the left over the last couple decades.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

This again!!!!!!?!?!

Impeachment must never occur on an opinion. NEVER. This is what happened here. We agree there was a phone call. The phone call transcript was released. Aid to Ukraine was released. Zelensky said he did not feel pressured. Burisma situation is at best questionable in terms of how Hunter got that gig. But in the end we are all speculating and guessing when it comes to Trump’s intent.

The politicians have wasted our money by this bullshit process and people like IM2 racist, do not that the intelligence or education to see that.

People need to wake up.

“You don’t even have to be convicted of a crime to lose your job in this constitutional republic if this body determines that your conduct as a public official is clearly out of bounds in your role. Impeachment is not about punishment. Impeachment is about cleansing the office. Impeachment is about restoring honor and integrity to the office.”

Lindsey Graham

Right, but it must NEVER happen on an opinion.

It is always based upon an opinion. What is "out of bounds" is 100% subjective.

I played with a guy that considered the parking lot to be the only out of bounds.

Touche! Though I know I am not going to swing my club at a ball in the parking lot

 

[ThisIsMe]

The title speaks for itself. Abuse of power is an impeachable offense. trumps impeachment is constitutionally correct.

Presidential Impeachment: The Legal Standard and Procedure - FindLaw

You are quite right, impeachment can be anything that the Congress deems impeachable. Problem for idiots like you, is that once the impeachment is processed it goes to the Senate where sane people are in charge, and put down all the crazy shit that the left presented....You are a dumbass.

I dont agree with that premise "anything congress seems impeachable".

Let's put it like this, if trump wins again, but the senate goes to the dems, trump will be impeached again, and he will be removed.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

The title speaks for itself. Abuse of power is an impeachable offense. trumps impeachment is constitutionally correct.

Presidential Impeachment: The Legal Standard and Procedure - FindLaw

You are quite right, impeachment can be anything that the Congress deems impeachable. Problem for idiots like you, is that once the impeachment is processed it goes to the Senate where sane people are in charge, and put down all the crazy shit that the left presented....You are a dumbass.

I dont agree with that premise "anything congress seems impeachable".

Let's put it like this, if trump wins again, but the senate goes to the dems, trump will be impeached again, and he will be removed.

Even if the Senate goes to the Dems they need 67 votes to remove. Not likely to happen

 

[Oddball]

The next president won’t be a democrat though. You haven’t brought in enough foreigners yet...but quite. You have only enfranchised felons in three state’s do far and to date the Constitution still stands against your attacks on the electoral college.

The current president is a democrat....That's how far left the Democrat Party has lunged over the last decade.

It is also how far the Repub Party has followed them to the left over the last couple decades.

They've followed them to the left since TR....Eisenhower was a fucking disgrace.....And don't even get me started with Reagan and the Bushes.

 

[Flash]

Democrat Dirty Tricks doesn't require a crime either. Just being butt hurt that Crooked Hillary didn't win and a majority in the House to pass a Dirty Tricks Impeachment.

 

[Auld Phart]

The title speaks for itself. Abuse of power is an impeachable offense. trumps impeachment is constitutionally correct.

Presidential Impeachment: The Legal Standard and Procedure - FindLaw

You are quite right, impeachment can be anything that the Congress deems impeachable. Problem for idiots like you, is that once the impeachment is processed it goes to the Senate where sane people are in charge, and put down all the crazy shit that the left presented....You are a dumbass.

I dont agree with that premise "anything congress seems impeachable".

Let's put it like this, if trump wins again, but the senate goes to the dems, trump will be impeached again, and he will be removed.

trump will be impeached again, and he will be removed.

Only if they can get 67 votes in the Senate