Impeachment Does Not Require a Crime

[The Original Tree]

Dershowitz is calling The OP a Liar.

LOLOL

"There certainly doesn't have to be a crime." ~ Alan Dershowitz

Have you thought about what the next step is, after your coup, if it succeeds?

It's not a coup, ya dumbfuck. Words have meaning, you should learn them. A coup is a violent overthrow of a government.An impeachment is a Constitutional procedure, there's no violence other than what the rightwing is threatening, Impeached Trump is not the government, he's but one member of it, and even if removed from office, the government is not overthrown, the Republican VP assumes the presidency.

You're dumber than shit.

And aside from the reality that there's almost no path to removing impeached Trump from office, should that actually happen, that would mean his guilt is so objectionable, even at least 20 Republicans couldn't ignore it.

And if that were to happen, you imbeciles on the right will do nothing about it other than bitch & moan. Remember, you dolts don't actually follow through with your threats. I recall righties claiming there would be civil war if Impeached Trump got impeached. Well? He got impeached and every last rightie who made that threat swallowed hardened backed down. Y'all played your hand got called and got caught bluffing. Good luck trying to raise next time.

How can a liar, speak truth and what does a dishonorable man have to do with the honorable? That which is born in darkness must die in the light, and he who condemns himself with words of darkness shall never see The Light.

God who is the judge of us all knows the thoughts and intents of The Evil and The Good, but being a Just God, allows the rain to fall on both Evil and Good, giving them ample opportunity to recognize from whence that rain comes, until The Day of Decision, The Day of Judgment.

 

[Correll]

Dershowitz is calling The OP a Liar.

LOLOL

"There certainly doesn't have to be a crime." ~ Alan Dershowitz

Have you thought about what the next step is, after your coup, if it succeeds?

It's not a coup, ya dumbfuck. Words have meaning, you should learn them. A coup is a violent overthrow of a government.An impeachment is a Constitutional procedure, there's no violence other than what the rightwing is threatening, Impeached Trump is not the government, he's but one member of it, and even if removed from office, the government is not overthrown, the Republican VP assumes the presidency.

You're dumber than shit.

And aside from the reality that there's almost no path to removing impeached Trump from office, should that actually happen, that would mean his guilt is so objectionable, even at least 20 Republicans couldn't ignore it.

And if that were to happen, you imbeciles on the right will do nothing about it other than bitch & moan. Remember, you dolts don't actually follow through with your threats. I recall righties claiming there would be civil war if Impeached Trump got impeached. Well? He got impeached and every last rightie who made that threat swallowed hardened backed down. Y'all played your hand got called and got caught bluffing. Good luck trying to raise next time.

Coups dont' have to be violent. Your ending of democracy will have consequences.


SIlly word games, won't undo that.


I take that as a no, you have not thought this through.


I want to be clear. I hope you fail.


But, if you win, and in the future, when this blows up in your face, I want you to know, I will be there, laughing at you as you try to shift the blame to someone else, you lefty madman.

 

[Faun]

then why do the dems keep saying there is one when one isn't needed?

Because obstruction of Congress is in fact a crime.


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Show that in the constitution how that is defined or impeachable.

The defense is tearing your bullet points up right now.

Abuse of power and obstruction are not defined enough to be impeachable. Keep your prayers and dreams warm, but 6all are full of fucking shit.

"Show that in the constitution how that is defined or impeachable."

The House of Representatives shall chuse their Speaker and other Officers; and shall have the sole Power of Impeachment.​

so you are in fact arguing the house can bring up impeachment at their leisure and don't even need a real crime or reason.

correct?

so tell me, what is going to happen next time we have a D president and a R congress?

we get to live through this shitshow again.

is that really what you want? everything the left is doing seem so short sighted that they simply don't see how it will come back to them as soon as possible.

don't really care about trump at all at this point - more concerned the left is simply making shit up as they go cause they view trump as someone they can't beat.

like i said - we're in a payback mode in our culture these days. so yea, if this works, hell even if it doesn't, count on the right to return the favor. make something up, call it an "abuse of power" and lob in some key words and we get to do this again.

This isn't making something up. This is a case of a president soliciting a foreign national to investigate a political rival. There's a law against that. According to you, a president should be allowed to abuse the power of their office and not face any consequences.

 

[LaDairis]

This is a case of a president soliciting a foreign national to investigate a political rival.

Wrong.

This is a case where a foreign aid package under the prior administration was kicked back to the son of the VP, and we, the American people, have a right to know that, and to pursue justice, and hopefully expose everyone else who also got said kickback and get our money back.

Democrats don't see it that way. Democrats STEAL. When Democrats STEAL, their supporters support them for stealing. When someone tries to INVESTIGATE Democrats STEALING, Democrats get very very angry...

 

[Faun]

The title speaks for itself. Abuse of power is an impeachable offense. trumps impeachment is constitutionally correct.

Presidential Impeachment: The Legal Standard and Procedure - FindLaw

I agree!

Dooshawitch is full of shit. MSNBC's Ari Melber and CNN's Jeffrey Toobin and Harvard Law Professor Laurence Tribe will have a field day debunking all this flip-flopping bullshit that Dooshawitch is espousing. I turned my headphones off after he said about how the framers of the Constitution "anticipated" how certain criminal laws would be codified into statutes - in the future. His point being that you just can't base impeachable conduct on the Constitution as originally written. Wow...

in your effort to be smug, funny, an idiot - whatever it is you think you're doing; what is going to stop the R's from doing this to the next D president when he/she is in office and they hold the house.

they will dog on her til they scare up something to go after then simply go after it. HOWEVER, from what you're saying a crime is not necessary.

are you really willing to live in a judgment system such as this? are you not capable of comprehending this WILL come back to the left?

ROFL and shit; dude. stop being terminally 9 years old and think.

Dershowitz literally flip-flopped on his opinion so he could muster a defense for his client. Then threw a hussy fit at the journalists who called him out for doing so.

If you can't see the humor in that, that's on you. I find it fucking hysterical and I literally laughed out loud watching that video.

Thanks again to Lakhota for posting it.

 

[Faun]

The title speaks for itself. Abuse of power is an impeachable offense. trumps impeachment is constitutionally correct.

Presidential Impeachment: The Legal Standard and Procedure - FindLaw

So impeach him. We are looking forward to him becoming the first Impeached President to win an Election. Then what will you do??

He's been impeached. If trump was to win, I am going to talk shit as you begin watching him become more dictatorial and when we hit full effect of trump policy mode. You aren't going to like a second term of trump if there is one.

But the reality here is that during the fall campaign, the last 4 years of trump are going to get dissected. Every lie, every tweet, every scandal, all the cases pending against him, this impeachment, the block of witnesses, his total obstruction of congress in violation of the constitution, the laws he has broken, everything.

He has run his mouth in propaganda rallies for the last 3 years unopposed. This is going to end around August. When it does, trump is going to get dismantled.

The so called "obstruction of congress" isn't an impeachable offense. Impeached means he's accused, that's all. You be sure and vote and get all your dead relatives to vote too because democrats are going to have to cheat real hard this time. They've dug a deep hole with this fraudulent mess.

Whoever heard of “Obstruction of Congress” before this debacle? Based on the Democrats’ definition and interpretation, every Presidential-Congressional term with different parties running either branch could cry “Obstruction of Congress”.

I believe that's the same as contempt of Congress.

 

[Faun]

Going to court to challenge a subpoena is a Constitutional right, not obstruction of congress. What a bunch of idiots.

The Supreme Court has already ruled the Congress can subpoena material witnesses in an investigation.

 

[Faun]

Dershowitz is calling The OP a Liar.

LOLOL

"There certainly doesn't have to be a crime." ~ Alan Dershowitz

Have you thought about what the next step is, after your coup, if it succeeds?

It's not a coup, ya dumbfuck. Words have meaning, you should learn them. A coup is a violent overthrow of a government.An impeachment is a Constitutional procedure, there's no violence other than what the rightwing is threatening, Impeached Trump is not the government, he's but one member of it, and even if removed from office, the government is not overthrown, the Republican VP assumes the presidency.

You're dumber than shit.

And aside from the reality that there's almost no path to removing impeached Trump from office, should that actually happen, that would mean his guilt is so objectionable, even at least 20 Republicans couldn't ignore it.

And if that were to happen, you imbeciles on the right will do nothing about it other than bitch & moan. Remember, you dolts don't actually follow through with your threats. I recall righties claiming there would be civil war if Impeached Trump got impeached. Well? He got impeached and every last rightie who made that threat swallowed hardened backed down. Y'all played your hand got called and got caught bluffing. Good luck trying to raise next time.

How can a liar, speak truth and what does a dishonorable man have to do with the honorable? That which is born in darkness must die in the light, and he who condemns himself with words of darkness shall never see The Light.

God who is the judge of us all knows the thoughts and intents of The Evil and The Good, but being a Just God, allows the rain to fall on both Evil and Good, giving them ample opportunity to recognize from whence that rain comes, until The Day of Decision, The Day of Judgment.

G-d will judge you too.

 

[Faun]

Dershowitz is calling The OP a Liar.

LOLOL

"There certainly doesn't have to be a crime." ~ Alan Dershowitz

Have you thought about what the next step is, after your coup, if it succeeds?

It's not a coup, ya dumbfuck. Words have meaning, you should learn them. A coup is a violent overthrow of a government.An impeachment is a Constitutional procedure, there's no violence other than what the rightwing is threatening, Impeached Trump is not the government, he's but one member of it, and even if removed from office, the government is not overthrown, the Republican VP assumes the presidency.

You're dumber than shit.

And aside from the reality that there's almost no path to removing impeached Trump from office, should that actually happen, that would mean his guilt is so objectionable, even at least 20 Republicans couldn't ignore it.

And if that were to happen, you imbeciles on the right will do nothing about it other than bitch & moan. Remember, you dolts don't actually follow through with your threats. I recall righties claiming there would be civil war if Impeached Trump got impeached. Well? He got impeached and every last rightie who made that threat swallowed hardened backed down. Y'all played your hand got called and got caught bluffing. Good luck trying to raise next time.

Coups dont' have to be violent. Your ending of democracy will have consequences.


SIlly word games, won't undo that.


I take that as a no, you have not thought this through.


I want to be clear. I hope you fail.


But, if you win, and in the future, when this blows up in your face, I want you to know, I will be there, laughing at you as you try to shift the blame to someone else, you lefty madman.

 

[Faun]

This is a case of a president soliciting a foreign national to investigate a political rival.

Wrong.

This is a case where a foreign aid package under the prior administration was kicked back to the son of the VP, and we, the American people, have a right to know that, and to pursue justice, and hopefully expose everyone else who also got said kickback and get our money back.

Democrats don't see it that way. Democrats STEAL. When Democrats STEAL, their supporters support them for stealing. When someone tries to INVESTIGATE Democrats STEALING, Democrats get very very angry...

 

[LaDairis]

Somehow, Faun doesn't try to debate or refute LaDairis, but instead posts silly emoticons....

LOL...


Democrats and non-Democrats vehemently disagree over whether or not it is OK for Democrats to STEAL from the American taxpayer...

 

[LeftofLeft]

The title speaks for itself. Abuse of power is an impeachable offense. trumps impeachment is constitutionally correct.

Presidential Impeachment: The Legal Standard and Procedure - FindLaw

So impeach him. We are looking forward to him becoming the first Impeached President to win an Election. Then what will you do??

He's been impeached. If trump was to win, I am going to talk shit as you begin watching him become more dictatorial and when we hit full effect of trump policy mode. You aren't going to like a second term of trump if there is one.

But the reality here is that during the fall campaign, the last 4 years of trump are going to get dissected. Every lie, every tweet, every scandal, all the cases pending against him, this impeachment, the block of witnesses, his total obstruction of congress in violation of the constitution, the laws he has broken, everything.

He has run his mouth in propaganda rallies for the last 3 years unopposed. This is going to end around August. When it does, trump is going to get dismantled.

The so called "obstruction of congress" isn't an impeachable offense. Impeached means he's accused, that's all. You be sure and vote and get all your dead relatives to vote too because democrats are going to have to cheat real hard this time. They've dug a deep hole with this fraudulent mess.

Whoever heard of “Obstruction of Congress” before this debacle? Based on the Democrats’ definition and interpretation, every Presidential-Congressional term with different parties running either branch could cry “Obstruction of Congress”.

I believe that's the same as contempt of Congress.

If it were, then they would use that term, “Contempt of Congress”. But, they didn’t. The Democrat lawyers don’t agree with your interpretation.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

then why do the dems keep saying there is one when one isn't needed?

Because obstruction of Congress is in fact a crime.


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Show that in the constitution how that is defined or impeachable.

The defense is tearing your bullet points up right now.

Abuse of power and obstruction are not defined enough to be impeachable. Keep your prayers and dreams warm, but 6all are full of fucking shit.

"Show that in the constitution how that is defined or impeachable."

The House of Representatives shall chuse their Speaker and other Officers; and shall have the sole Power of Impeachment.​

so you are in fact arguing the house can bring up impeachment at their leisure and don't even need a real crime or reason.

correct?

so tell me, what is going to happen next time we have a D president and a R congress?

we get to live through this shitshow again.

is that really what you want? everything the left is doing seem so short sighted that they simply don't see how it will come back to them as soon as possible.

don't really care about trump at all at this point - more concerned the left is simply making shit up as they go cause they view trump as someone they can't beat.

like i said - we're in a payback mode in our culture these days. so yea, if this works, hell even if it doesn't, count on the right to return the favor. make something up, call it an "abuse of power" and lob in some key words and we get to do this again.

Trump's conduct was an abuse of power, and he was impeached accordingly.

Abuse of power, along with contempt of Congress, is a perfectly appropriate, lawful, and Constitutional reason to impeach and remove from office.

 

[BS Filter]

then why do the dems keep saying there is one when one isn't needed?

Because obstruction of Congress is in fact a crime.


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Show that in the constitution how that is defined or impeachable.

The defense is tearing your bullet points up right now.

Abuse of power and obstruction are not defined enough to be impeachable. Keep your prayers and dreams warm, but 6all are full of fucking shit.

"Show that in the constitution how that is defined or impeachable."

The House of Representatives shall chuse their Speaker and other Officers; and shall have the sole Power of Impeachment.​

so you are in fact arguing the house can bring up impeachment at their leisure and don't even need a real crime or reason.

correct?

so tell me, what is going to happen next time we have a D president and a R congress?

we get to live through this shitshow again.

is that really what you want? everything the left is doing seem so short sighted that they simply don't see how it will come back to them as soon as possible.

don't really care about trump at all at this point - more concerned the left is simply making shit up as they go cause they view trump as someone they can't beat.

like i said - we're in a payback mode in our culture these days. so yea, if this works, hell even if it doesn't, count on the right to return the favor. make something up, call it an "abuse of power" and lob in some key words and we get to do this again.

Trump's conduct was an abuse of power, and he was impeached accordingly.

Abuse of power, along with contempt of Congress, is a perfectly appropriate, lawful, and Constitutional reason to impeach and remove from office.

Not according to Constitutional lawyers and history. You need to be more specific. Those are general terms used in campaign rhetoric, not legal terms of a crime. You need a crime and there is none.

 

[JustAGuy1]

Somehow, Faun doesn't try to debate or refute LaDairis, but instead posts silly emoticons....

LOL...


Democrats and non-Democrats vehemently disagree over whether or not it is OK for Democrats to STEAL from the American taxpayer...

He doesn't "debate" anyone, he is a troll.

 

[BS Filter]

You Democrats here need to watch the trial today so you can learn something from some authentic Constitutional lawyers instead of political bureaucrats.

 

[Faun]

So impeach him. We are looking forward to him becoming the first Impeached President to win an Election. Then what will you do??

He's been impeached. If trump was to win, I am going to talk shit as you begin watching him become more dictatorial and when we hit full effect of trump policy mode. You aren't going to like a second term of trump if there is one.

But the reality here is that during the fall campaign, the last 4 years of trump are going to get dissected. Every lie, every tweet, every scandal, all the cases pending against him, this impeachment, the block of witnesses, his total obstruction of congress in violation of the constitution, the laws he has broken, everything.

He has run his mouth in propaganda rallies for the last 3 years unopposed. This is going to end around August. When it does, trump is going to get dismantled.

The so called "obstruction of congress" isn't an impeachable offense. Impeached means he's accused, that's all. You be sure and vote and get all your dead relatives to vote too because democrats are going to have to cheat real hard this time. They've dug a deep hole with this fraudulent mess.

Whoever heard of “Obstruction of Congress” before this debacle? Based on the Democrats’ definition and interpretation, every Presidential-Congressional term with different parties running either branch could cry “Obstruction of Congress”.

I believe that's the same as contempt of Congress.

If it were, then they would use that term, “Contempt of Congress”. But, they didn’t. The Democrat lawyers don’t agree with your interpretation.

Seems they do...

Contempt of Congress

Congress has the authority to hold a person in contempt if the person's conduct or action obstructs the proceedings of Congress or, more usually, an inquiry by a committee of Congress.

Contempt of Congress is defined in statute, 2 U.S.C.A. § 192



2 U.S. Code § 192. Refusal of witness to testify or produce papers​

 

[Faun]

Somehow, Faun doesn't try to debate or refute LaDairis, but instead posts silly emoticons....

LOL...


Democrats and non-Democrats vehemently disagree over whether or not it is OK for Democrats to STEAL from the American taxpayer...

He doesn't "debate" anyone, he is a troll.

LOLOLOL

I see you're still hurting after I bitch-slapped your idiocy that Bill Gates owns a patent on the Wuhan coronavirus.

 

[Faun]

Because obstruction of Congress is in fact a crime.


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Show that in the constitution how that is defined or impeachable.

The defense is tearing your bullet points up right now.

Abuse of power and obstruction are not defined enough to be impeachable. Keep your prayers and dreams warm, but 6all are full of fucking shit.

"Show that in the constitution how that is defined or impeachable."

The House of Representatives shall chuse their Speaker and other Officers; and shall have the sole Power of Impeachment.​

so you are in fact arguing the house can bring up impeachment at their leisure and don't even need a real crime or reason.

correct?

so tell me, what is going to happen next time we have a D president and a R congress?

we get to live through this shitshow again.

is that really what you want? everything the left is doing seem so short sighted that they simply don't see how it will come back to them as soon as possible.

don't really care about trump at all at this point - more concerned the left is simply making shit up as they go cause they view trump as someone they can't beat.

like i said - we're in a payback mode in our culture these days. so yea, if this works, hell even if it doesn't, count on the right to return the favor. make something up, call it an "abuse of power" and lob in some key words and we get to do this again.

Trump's conduct was an abuse of power, and he was impeached accordingly.

Abuse of power, along with contempt of Congress, is a perfectly appropriate, lawful, and Constitutional reason to impeach and remove from office.

Not according to Constitutional lawyers and history. You need to be more specific. Those are general terms used in campaign rhetoric, not legal terms of a crime. You need a crime and there is none.

Obstruction of Congress is a crime, ya dumbass.

 

[The Original Tree]

He's been impeached. If trump was to win, I am going to talk shit as you begin watching him become more dictatorial and when we hit full effect of trump policy mode. You aren't going to like a second term of trump if there is one.

But the reality here is that during the fall campaign, the last 4 years of trump are going to get dissected. Every lie, every tweet, every scandal, all the cases pending against him, this impeachment, the block of witnesses, his total obstruction of congress in violation of the constitution, the laws he has broken, everything.

He has run his mouth in propaganda rallies for the last 3 years unopposed. This is going to end around August. When it does, trump is going to get dismantled.

The so called "obstruction of congress" isn't an impeachable offense. Impeached means he's accused, that's all. You be sure and vote and get all your dead relatives to vote too because democrats are going to have to cheat real hard this time. They've dug a deep hole with this fraudulent mess.

Whoever heard of “Obstruction of Congress” before this debacle? Based on the Democrats’ definition and interpretation, every Presidential-Congressional term with different parties running either branch could cry “Obstruction of Congress”.

I believe that's the same as contempt of Congress.

If it were, then they would use that term, “Contempt of Congress”. But, they didn’t. The Democrat lawyers don’t agree with your interpretation.

Seems they do...

Contempt of Congress

Congress has the authority to hold a person in contempt if the person's conduct or action obstructs the proceedings of Congress or, more usually, an inquiry by a committee of Congress.

Contempt of Congress is defined in statute, 2 U.S.C.A. § 192



2 U.S. Code § 192. Refusal of witness to testify or produce papers​