Impeaching Trump for obstructing a non-crime: Civil War

[The2ndAmendment]

Even if the democrats somehow manage enough votes in the house for impeachment, there will not be a 2/3 majority vote in the senate to convict. No civil war triggered.

Don't put it past the Deep State to engage in blackmail. Every elected Senator has skeletons in their closet.

Don't forget the "revolving door," either. Enough could be bribed by awarding them and their children cushy jobs.

 

[Billy_Bob]

Volume II had no citations of law or statues, just opinion.

Correct:

Vol II is pure conjecture. No intent was derived.

They have nothing. Vol II is a useless piece of crap that serves no legal purpose.

 

[Mike473]

No Collusion. No Obstruction. Case closed. 2020 landslide for Trump is on the way.

 

[Olde Europe]

See Mueller Report, Vol. II, p157:

Second, many obstruction cases involve the attempted or actual cover-up of an underlying crime. Personal criminal conduct can furnish strong evidence that the individual had an improper obstructive purpose, see, e.g., United States v. Willoughby, 860 F.2d 15, 24 (2d Cir. 1988), or that he contemplated an effect on an official proceeding, see, e.g., United States v. Binday, 804 F.3d 558, 591 (2d Cir. 2015). But proof of such a crime is not an element of an obstruction offense. See United States v. Greer, 872 F.3d 790, 798 (6th Cir. 2017) (stating, in applying the obstruction sentencing guideline, that “obstruction of a criminal investigation is punishable even if the prosecution is ultimately unsuccessful or even if the investigation ultimately reveals no underlying crime”). Obstruction of justice can be motivated by a desire to protect non-criminal personal interests, to protect against investigations where underlying criminal liability falls into a gray area, or to avoid personal embarrassment. The injury to the integrity of the justice system is the same regardless of whether a person committed an underlying wrong.

In this investigation, the evidence does not establish that the President was involved in an underlying crime related to Russian election interference. But the evidence does point to a range of other possible personal motives animating the President’s conduct. These include concerns that continued investigation would call into question the legitimacy of his election and potential uncertainty about whether certain events—such as advance notice of WikiLeaks’s release of hacked information or the June 9, 2016 meeting between senior campaign officials and Russians—could be seen as criminal activity by the President, his campaign, or his family.

Third, many of the President’s acts directed at witnesses, including discouragement of cooperation with the government and suggestions of possible future pardons, occurred in public view. While it may be more difficult to establish that public-facing acts were motivated by a corrupt intent, the President’s power to influence actions, persons, and events is enhanced by his unique ability to attract attention through use of mass communications. And no principle of law excludes public acts from the scope of obstruction statutes. If the likely effect of the acts is to intimidate witnesses or alter their testimony, the justice system’s integrity is equally threatened.​

 

[The2ndAmendment]

See Mueller Report, Vol. II, p157:...

the President’s power to influence actions, persons, and events is enhanced by his unique ability to attract attention through use of mass communications. And no principle of law excludes public acts from the scope of obstruction statutes. If the likely effect of the acts is to intimidate witnesses or alter their testimony, the justice system’s integrity is equally threatened.

So you're going impeach Trump on twitter posts?

 

[Crepitus]

Do it Dems.

I have no doubt that impeaching Trump for "obstruction" of a crime he did not commit would start a VERY HOT Civil War.

I'm looking forward to it.

Nothing but blood, prison and public executions of the losing side is going to settle this conflict. You've made that clear by doubling down on the Mueller Report.

Read the report son. This isn't a "non crime".

No collusion.

Goodbye.

I read all of Volume I.

Volume II had no citations of law or statues, just opinion.

If you had actually read it you wouldn't have said "no collusion"

 

[Billy_Bob]

“obstruction of a criminal investigation is punishable even if the prosecution is ultimately unsuccessful or even if the investigation ultimately reveals no underlying crime”

And the Mueller document states that "Trump was forthcoming and did not obstruct" .. EPIC FAILURE by liberals..

 

[The2ndAmendment]

If you had actually read it you wouldn't have said "no collusion"

Please cite the Mueller Report that indicates collusion.

https://cdn.cnn.com/cnn/2019/images/04/18/mueller-report-searchable.pdf

Volume I describes the factual results of the Special Counsel's investigation of Russia's interference in the 2016 presidential election and its interactions with the Trump Campaign. Section I describes the scope of the investigation. Sections II and III describe the principal ways Russia interfered in the 2016 presidential election . Section IV describes links between the government and individuals associated with the Trump Campaign. Section V sets forth the Special Counsel's charging decisions.

Section IV starts on page 66. Good luck (page 66 = page 74 in the PDF)

From Section IV:

1. Immediate Post-Election Activity As soon as news broke that Trump had been elected President, Russian government officials and prominent Russian businessmen began trying to make inroads into the new Administration. They appeared not to have preexisting contacts and struggled to connect with senior officials around the President- Elect. As explained below , those efforts entailed both official contact through the Russian Embassy in the United States and outreaches-sanctioned at high levels of the Russian government-through business rather than political contacts.

 

[Billy_Bob]

Do it Dems.

I have no doubt that impeaching Trump for "obstruction" of a crime he did not commit would start a VERY HOT Civil War.

I'm looking forward to it.

Nothing but blood, prison and public executions of the losing side is going to settle this conflict. You've made that clear by doubling down on the Mueller Report.

Read the report son. This isn't a "non crime".

No collusion.

Goodbye.

I read all of Volume I.

Volume II had no citations of law or statues, just opinion.

If you had actually read it you wouldn't have said "no collusion"

I read it and there was absolutely NO COLLUSION... Reading impaired liberals...

 

[Dick Foster]

Successfully impeaching and convicting president Trump has about as much chance as a snowball in hell does. For starters he's committed no crime so there is no excuse or reason. The other side however has committed some very serious even treasonable offenses in their efforts to railroad him. Now it's time to drag their asses to justice. For some a firing squad for others it's off to the hoosegow to bunk with Bubba. For federal offences that's Leavenworth.

 

[Crepitus]

Also I just wanna mention that you armchair revolutionaries crack me the fuck up.

Losers.

When the doors under the gallows are opened, we'll see who has the last laugh.

Well it sure ain't gonna be you drooling idiots sitting behind your keyboards and stroking your penis substitute.

 

[Olde Europe]

So you're going impeach Trump on twitter posts?

Demonstrating yet again that every reply beginning with "So..." inevitably ends up lying and distorting.

I am not doing anything, dummy. I'm just waiting for all those who have actually read the report (which you clearly have not) to react with the same disgust I cannot get rid of, and draw their own conclusions (which you clearly can not).

 

[Crepitus]

If you had actually read it you wouldn't have said "no collusion"

Please cite the Mueller Report that indicates collusion.

https://cdn.cnn.com/cnn/2019/images/04/18/mueller-report-searchable.pdf

Volume I describes the factual results of the Special Counsel's investigation of Russia's interference in the 2016 presidential election and its interactions with the Trump Campaign. Section I describes the scope of the investigation. Sections II and III describe the principal ways Russia interfered in the 2016 presidential election . Section IV describes links between the government and individuals associated with the Trump Campaign. Section V sets forth the Special Counsel's charging decisions.

Section IV starts on page 66. Good luck (page 66 = page 74 in the PDF)

"Collusion"?

Are you really that dumb?

Read the damn report, then you will know why I say that.

 

[Crepitus]

Do it Dems.

I have no doubt that impeaching Trump for "obstruction" of a crime he did not commit would start a VERY HOT Civil War.

I'm looking forward to it.

Nothing but blood, prison and public executions of the losing side is going to settle this conflict. You've made that clear by doubling down on the Mueller Report.

Read the report son. This isn't a "non crime".

No collusion.

Goodbye.

I read all of Volume I.

Volume II had no citations of law or statues, just opinion.

If you had actually read it you wouldn't have said "no collusion"

I read it and there was absolutely NO COLLUSION... Reading impaired liberals...

You can't be serious.

Another one?

Has not one single one of.you actually read this damn thing?

 

[Mike473]

Do it Dems.

I have no doubt that impeaching Trump for "obstruction" of a crime he did not commit would start a VERY HOT Civil War.

I'm looking forward to it.

Nothing but blood, prison and public executions of the losing side is going to settle this conflict. You've made that clear by doubling down on the Mueller Report.

Read the report son. This isn't a "non crime".

No collusion.

Goodbye.

I read all of Volume I.

Volume II had no citations of law or statues, just opinion.

If you had actually read it you wouldn't have said "no collusion"

I read it and there was absolutely NO COLLUSION... Reading impaired liberals...

You can't be serious.

Another one?

Has not one single one of.you actually read this damn thing?

We should all log off. Go out to dinner with our family and friends. Raise a toast to a great President and an innocent man. No collusion. No obstruction. Let's celebrate and move on to finding out who is responsible for this mess.

 

[Hossfly]

Also I just wanna mention that you armchair revolutionaries crack me the fuck up.

Losers.

There's a number of people here with a CIB and I happen to belong to the Combat Infantrymen's Association, a group of tens of thousands. Our armchair was a muddy foxhole somewhere in enemy territory. So tell us more about armchair revolutionaries and crack us up.

 

[Crepitus]

Read the report son. This isn't a "non crime".

No collusion.

Goodbye.

I read all of Volume I.

Volume II had no citations of law or statues, just opinion.

If you had actually read it you wouldn't have said "no collusion"

I read it and there was absolutely NO COLLUSION... Reading impaired liberals...

You can't be serious.

Another one?

Has not one single one of.you actually read this damn thing?

We should all log off. Go out to dinner with our family and friends. Raise a toast to a great President and an innocent man. No collusion. No obstruction. Let's celebrate and move on to finding out who is responsible for this mess.

I tell you what, why don't you quote where in the report it says "no collusion" and I'll never bother you again.

 

[Crepitus]

Also I just wanna mention that you armchair revolutionaries crack me the fuck up.

Losers.

There's a number of people here with a CIB and I happen to belong to the Combat Infantrymen's Association, a group of tens of thousands. Our armchair was a muddy foxhole somewhere in enemy territory. So tell us more about armchair revolutionaries and crack us up.

Then you think you had more sense than making empty threats.

 

[Hossfly]

Also I just wanna mention that you armchair revolutionaries crack me the fuck up.

Losers.

There's a number of people here with a CIB and I happen to belong to the Combat Infantrymen's Association, a group of tens of thousands. Our armchair was a muddy foxhole somewhere in enemy territory. So tell us more about armchair revolutionaries and crack us up.

Then you think you had more sense than making empty threats.

I don't make threats. I make promises.

 

[Leo123]

If the Democrats successfully impeach Trump on 'trumped up' charges, they will kill their own party. They're taking casualties right now with the invasion of socialist revolutionaries.