CDZ Immigration is not the problem. Inequality is the problem.

[Tommy Tainant]

I think a lot of the "debate" around immigration misses the point.

People are very quick to condemn immigrants from whatever country they come from but rarely do they look at why people are so keen to move to Western Europe or the US/Canada.

I know that there are a lot of people displaced by the various wars going on but the real reason is inequality.

Poland is a beautiful country but a Polish Doctor can earn as much sitting on a supermarket till in the UK. Its the same for Romanians.

The inequality is greater the further south that you travel.

I imagine that it is the same in the Americas.

Why would you want to live in a corrupt narco state when hard work would see ou ive like a King in the US ?

Wester countries need to look at their relationships with the developing world and see how they can move these countries forward.

A world with reduced inequalities will be a more peaceful and stable world.

And it ultimately works in our favour as new markets are created for Western goods.

 

[2aguy]

I think a lot of the "debate" around immigration misses the point.

People are very quick to condemn immigrants from whatever country they come from but rarely do they look at why people are so keen to move to Western Europe or the US/Canada.

I know that there are a lot of people displaced by the various wars going on but the real reason is inequality.

Poland is a beautiful country but a Polish Doctor can earn as much sitting on a supermarket till in the UK. Its the same for Romanians.

The inequality is greater the further south that you travel.

I imagine that it is the same in the Americas.

Why would you want to live in a corrupt narco state when hard work would see ou ive like a King in the US ?

Wester countries need to look at their relationships with the developing world and see how they can move these countries forward.

A world with reduced inequalities will be a more peaceful and stable world.

And it ultimately works in our favour as new markets are created for Western goods.

Wrong...we understand why they come here and we sympathize with their plight. The problem is, we have rules for entering the country, and when you ignore those rules for millions of people, you destroy the country.

The problem isn't American immigration law, the problem is the home country of the immigrants....by taking these people in, you keep those countries from having to fix their problems.

 

[oldsoul]

I think a lot of the "debate" around immigration misses the point.

People are very quick to condemn immigrants from whatever country they come from but rarely do they look at why people are so keen to move to Western Europe or the US/Canada.

I know that there are a lot of people displaced by the various wars going on but the real reason is inequality.

Poland is a beautiful country but a Polish Doctor can earn as much sitting on a supermarket till in the UK. Its the same for Romanians.

The inequality is greater the further south that you travel.

I imagine that it is the same in the Americas.

Why would you want to live in a corrupt narco state when hard work would see ou ive like a King in the US ?

Wester countries need to look at their relationships with the developing world and see how they can move these countries forward.

A world with reduced inequalities will be a more peaceful and stable world.

And it ultimately works in our favour as new markets are created for Western goods.

While I agree with much of what you said, in the US, the debate is more on a legal vs. illegal immigration level. To the best of my knowledge, no one is saying we should not allow immigration, other than a temporary halt, so we can get our shi(oops) act together.
It may be that folks in Europe are wishing to stop all immigration on a more permanent basis, however, any elected official daring to udder such things here would likely be run out of office in pretty short order (for now at least).

 

[Tommy Tainant]

I think a lot of the "debate" around immigration misses the point.

People are very quick to condemn immigrants from whatever country they come from but rarely do they look at why people are so keen to move to Western Europe or the US/Canada.

I know that there are a lot of people displaced by the various wars going on but the real reason is inequality.

Poland is a beautiful country but a Polish Doctor can earn as much sitting on a supermarket till in the UK. Its the same for Romanians.

The inequality is greater the further south that you travel.

I imagine that it is the same in the Americas.

Why would you want to live in a corrupt narco state when hard work would see ou ive like a King in the US ?

Wester countries need to look at their relationships with the developing world and see how they can move these countries forward.

A world with reduced inequalities will be a more peaceful and stable world.

And it ultimately works in our favour as new markets are created for Western goods.

While I agree with much of what you said, in the US, the debate is more on a legal vs. illegal immigration level. To the best of my knowledge, no one is saying we should not allow immigration, other than a temporary halt, so we can get our shi(oops) act together.
It may be that folks in Europe are wishing to stop all immigration on a more permanent basis, however, any elected official daring to udder such things here would likely be run out of office in pretty short order (for now at least).

I think everybody will have a different take on immigration dependent on what they see in their everyday lives.

The rhetoric seldom gets beyond the building of walls and , in Europe, the ending of free movement. We never seem to look further for solutions.

If people were happy where they live then they wouldnt uproot and make dangerous journeys.

Of course war and famine are big factors but economic migrants just want a better life.

What could,or would, the West do to help facilitate this ?

 

[harmonica]

I think a lot of the "debate" around immigration misses the point.

People are very quick to condemn immigrants from whatever country they come from but rarely do they look at why people are so keen to move to Western Europe or the US/Canada.

I know that there are a lot of people displaced by the various wars going on but the real reason is inequality.

Poland is a beautiful country but a Polish Doctor can earn as much sitting on a supermarket till in the UK. Its the same for Romanians.

The inequality is greater the further south that you travel.

I imagine that it is the same in the Americas.

Why would you want to live in a corrupt narco state when hard work would see ou ive like a King in the US ?

Wester countries need to look at their relationships with the developing world and see how they can move these countries forward.

A world with reduced inequalities will be a more peaceful and stable world.

And it ultimately works in our favour as new markets are created for Western goods.

very nice....how nice......sounds good--------------------on paper
relationships?? how will this affect the problems??
the US is damned if we do and damned if we don't ''help'' countries

condemn?? no--we just don't want more immigration/illegals/etc--this is NOT wrong/evil/racist/etc

 

[Leo123]

I think a lot of the "debate" around immigration misses the point.

People are very quick to condemn immigrants from whatever country they come from but rarely do they look at why people are so keen to move to Western Europe or the US/Canada.

I know that there are a lot of people displaced by the various wars going on but the real reason is inequality.

Poland is a beautiful country but a Polish Doctor can earn as much sitting on a supermarket till in the UK. Its the same for Romanians.

The inequality is greater the further south that you travel.

I imagine that it is the same in the Americas.

Why would you want to live in a corrupt narco state when hard work would see ou ive like a King in the US ?

Wester countries need to look at their relationships with the developing world and see how they can move these countries forward.

A world with reduced inequalities will be a more peaceful and stable world.

And it ultimately works in our favour as new markets are created for Western goods.

People do not condemn immigrants....... they rightly condemn ILLEGAL ALIENS who are NOT legal immigrants. See...leftists start the argument with a falsehood and then build on it.

 

[harmonica]

I think a lot of the "debate" around immigration misses the point.

People are very quick to condemn immigrants from whatever country they come from but rarely do they look at why people are so keen to move to Western Europe or the US/Canada.

I know that there are a lot of people displaced by the various wars going on but the real reason is inequality.

Poland is a beautiful country but a Polish Doctor can earn as much sitting on a supermarket till in the UK. Its the same for Romanians.

The inequality is greater the further south that you travel.

I imagine that it is the same in the Americas.

Why would you want to live in a corrupt narco state when hard work would see ou ive like a King in the US ?

Wester countries need to look at their relationships with the developing world and see how they can move these countries forward.

A world with reduced inequalities will be a more peaceful and stable world.

And it ultimately works in our favour as new markets are created for Western goods.

People do not condemn immigrants....... they rightly condemn ILLEGAL ALIENS who are NOT legal immigrants. See...leftists start the argument with a falsehood and then build on it.

exactly
I don't HATE immigrants
criminals I do hate

 

[Geaux4it]

I think a lot of the "debate" around immigration misses the point.

People are very quick to condemn immigrants from whatever country they come from but rarely do they look at why people are so keen to move to Western Europe or the US/Canada.

I know that there are a lot of people displaced by the various wars going on but the real reason is inequality.

Poland is a beautiful country but a Polish Doctor can earn as much sitting on a supermarket till in the UK. Its the same for Romanians.

The inequality is greater the further south that you travel.

I imagine that it is the same in the Americas.

Why would you want to live in a corrupt narco state when hard work would see ou ive like a King in the US ?

Wester countries need to look at their relationships with the developing world and see how they can move these countries forward.

A world with reduced inequalities will be a more peaceful and stable world.

And it ultimately works in our favour as new markets are created for Western goods.

All men are created equal. However, it is up to them to keep the pace

-Geaux

 

[Leo123]

I think a lot of the "debate" around immigration misses the point.

People are very quick to condemn immigrants from whatever country they come from but rarely do they look at why people are so keen to move to Western Europe or the US/Canada.

I know that there are a lot of people displaced by the various wars going on but the real reason is inequality.

Poland is a beautiful country but a Polish Doctor can earn as much sitting on a supermarket till in the UK. Its the same for Romanians.

The inequality is greater the further south that you travel.

I imagine that it is the same in the Americas.

Why would you want to live in a corrupt narco state when hard work would see ou ive like a King in the US ?

Wester countries need to look at their relationships with the developing world and see how they can move these countries forward.

A world with reduced inequalities will be a more peaceful and stable world.

And it ultimately works in our favour as new markets are created for Western goods.

While I agree with much of what you said, in the US, the debate is more on a legal vs. illegal immigration level. To the best of my knowledge, no one is saying we should not allow immigration, other than a temporary halt, so we can get our shi(oops) act together.
It may be that folks in Europe are wishing to stop all immigration on a more permanent basis, however, any elected official daring to udder such things here would likely be run out of office in pretty short order (for now at least).

I think everybody will have a different take on immigration dependent on what they see in their everyday lives.

The rhetoric seldom gets beyond the building of walls and , in Europe, the ending of free movement. We never seem to look further for solutions.

If people were happy where they live then they wouldnt uproot and make dangerous journeys.

Of course war and famine are big factors but economic migrants just want a better life.

What could,or would, the West do to help facilitate this ?

Every time America has tried to 'facilitate' a country's coming out of corrupt, socialist, reign, we get told to stop 'nation building.'

 

[BuckToothMoron]

I think a lot of the "debate" around immigration misses the point.

People are very quick to condemn immigrants from whatever country they come from but rarely do they look at why people are so keen to move to Western Europe or the US/Canada.

I know that there are a lot of people displaced by the various wars going on but the real reason is inequality.

Poland is a beautiful country but a Polish Doctor can earn as much sitting on a supermarket till in the UK. Its the same for Romanians.

The inequality is greater the further south that you travel.

I imagine that it is the same in the Americas.

Why would you want to live in a corrupt narco state when hard work would see ou ive like a King in the US ?

Wester countries need to look at their relationships with the developing world and see how they can move these countries forward.

A world with reduced inequalities will be a more peaceful and stable world.

And it ultimately works in our favour as new markets are created for Western goods.

It’s a nice, albeit naive wish that better developed countries can lift up the lesser developed ones, but the reality is quite different. Most of the underdeveloped nations are run by extraordinarily corrupt regimes who have no interest in ceding their power to the citizenship. So what are we suppose to do? Negotiate- it’s always being tried and rarely if ever works. The simple truth is war is generally the only thing that precipices regime change, and you Libs cry like babies every time that option is on the table.

 

[harmonica]

you--like many members--need to learn some history

Cold War
1961
Kennedy proposes Alliance for ProgressPresident John F. Kennedy proposes a 10-year, multibillion-dollar aid program for Latin America. The program came to be known as the Alliance for Progress and was designed to improve U.S. relations with Latin America, which had been severely damaged in recent years.

13 governments in Latin America had been replaced by military rule

as stated--sounds good on paper
these problems/issues/countries/peoples/etc are dynamic!!!!
it's not like the movies....

Kennedy proposes Alliance for Progress - Mar 13, 1961 - HISTORY.com

John F. Kennedy in 1961, aimed to establish economic cooperation between the U.S. and Latin America.

[Because of the program, economic assistance to Latin America nearly tripled between fiscal year 1960 and fiscal year 1961. Between 1962 and 1967 the US supplied $1.4 billion per year to Latin America/QUOTE]

Alliance for Progress - Wikipedia

a big waste of US $$$$$--FAILURE

 

[Tommy Tainant]

I think a lot of the "debate" around immigration misses the point.

People are very quick to condemn immigrants from whatever country they come from but rarely do they look at why people are so keen to move to Western Europe or the US/Canada.

I know that there are a lot of people displaced by the various wars going on but the real reason is inequality.

Poland is a beautiful country but a Polish Doctor can earn as much sitting on a supermarket till in the UK. Its the same for Romanians.

The inequality is greater the further south that you travel.

I imagine that it is the same in the Americas.

Why would you want to live in a corrupt narco state when hard work would see ou ive like a King in the US ?

Wester countries need to look at their relationships with the developing world and see how they can move these countries forward.

A world with reduced inequalities will be a more peaceful and stable world.

And it ultimately works in our favour as new markets are created for Western goods.

It’s a nice, albeit naive wish that better developed countries can lift up the lesser developed ones, but the reality is quite different. Most of the underdeveloped nations are run by extraordinarily corrupt regimes who have no interest in ceding their power to the citizenship. So what are we suppose to do? Negotiate- it’s always being tried and rarely if ever works. The simple truth is war is generally the only thing that precipices regime change, and you Libs cry like babies every time that option is on the table.

Perhaps we could stop interfering in their political processes and undermining their democratically elected governments ?

Analysis | The long history of the U.S. interfering with elections elsewhere

It is difficult for these countries to build stable institutions when super powers remove their governments like pawns on a board.

I am not singling out the US here. Britain has a history of villiany in respect of its empire and we are still paying off the legacy of that. France also has blood on its hands.

 

[sartre play]

Difficult problems can not be solved with simple slogans, we need smarter people working in concert with each other who realize that just winning with out careful planning ends up being band aid solutions.

 

[night_son]

I think a lot of the "debate" around immigration misses the point.

People are very quick to condemn immigrants from whatever country they come from but rarely do they look at why people are so keen to move to Western Europe or the US/Canada.

I know that there are a lot of people displaced by the various wars going on but the real reason is inequality.

Poland is a beautiful country but a Polish Doctor can earn as much sitting on a supermarket till in the UK. Its the same for Romanians.

The inequality is greater the further south that you travel.

I imagine that it is the same in the Americas.

Why would you want to live in a corrupt narco state when hard work would see ou ive like a King in the US ?

Wester countries need to look at their relationships with the developing world and see how they can move these countries forward.

A world with reduced inequalities will be a more peaceful and stable world.

And it ultimately works in our favour as new markets are created for Western goods.

Why would you--as a citizen of a failing nation--not want to remain behind in your nation to organize and fight to make your homeland a safer, more free place for future generations, rather than leave your generations of history, travel hundreds/thousands of miles to a foreign land you know little about and whose native culture is much different than your own? Colonial Americans did not mass emigrate to Mexico to escape British tyranny; no, they fought a revolution to end it. That is the real issue here: Failure of peoples native to southern nations the world over, to remain in their birth countries and fight for better governments and lives there for their children, instead of running away and taking what is not theirs in our northern nations.

 

[Ecocertifmrl]

What about the romanians. They go to a safe country just so they can pursue their careers as beggars. And they lead their children on the same path.

They must have their reasons but so far those have beyond my imgination.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

I think a lot of the "debate" around immigration misses the point.

People are very quick to condemn immigrants from whatever country they come from but rarely do they look at why people are so keen to move to Western Europe or the US/Canada.

I know that there are a lot of people displaced by the various wars going on but the real reason is inequality.

Poland is a beautiful country but a Polish Doctor can earn as much sitting on a supermarket till in the UK. Its the same for Romanians.

The inequality is greater the further south that you travel.

I imagine that it is the same in the Americas.

Why would you want to live in a corrupt narco state when hard work would see ou ive like a King in the US ?

Wester countries need to look at their relationships with the developing world and see how they can move these countries forward.

A world with reduced inequalities will be a more peaceful and stable world.

And it ultimately works in our favour as new markets are created for Western goods.

You want a clean debate but start off with a lie?
Can you tell what the difference is between illegal immigrant and immigrant?

 

[Skull Pilot]

I think a lot of the "debate" around immigration misses the point.

People are very quick to condemn immigrants from whatever country they come from but rarely do they look at why people are so keen to move to Western Europe or the US/Canada.

I know that there are a lot of people displaced by the various wars going on but the real reason is inequality.

Poland is a beautiful country but a Polish Doctor can earn as much sitting on a supermarket till in the UK. Its the same for Romanians.

The inequality is greater the further south that you travel.

I imagine that it is the same in the Americas.

Why would you want to live in a corrupt narco state when hard work would see ou ive like a King in the US ?

Wester countries need to look at their relationships with the developing world and see how they can move these countries forward.

A world with reduced inequalities will be a more peaceful and stable world.

And it ultimately works in our favour as new markets are created for Western goods.

Still don't grasp the difference between legal immigrants and illegal aliens huh?

 

[Picaro]

I think a lot of the "debate" around immigration misses the point.

People are very quick to condemn immigrants from whatever country they come from but rarely do they look at why people are so keen to move to Western Europe or the US/Canada.

I know that there are a lot of people displaced by the various wars going on but the real reason is inequality.

Poland is a beautiful country but a Polish Doctor can earn as much sitting on a supermarket till in the UK. Its the same for Romanians.

The inequality is greater the further south that you travel.

I imagine that it is the same in the Americas.

Why would you want to live in a corrupt narco state when hard work would see ou ive like a King in the US ?

Wester countries need to look at their relationships with the developing world and see how they can move these countries forward.

A world with reduced inequalities will be a more peaceful and stable world.

And it ultimately works in our favour as new markets are created for Western goods.

It’s a nice, albeit naive wish that better developed countries can lift up the lesser developed ones, but the reality is quite different. Most of the underdeveloped nations are run by extraordinarily corrupt regimes who have no interest in ceding their power to the citizenship. So what are we suppose to do? Negotiate- it’s always being tried and rarely if ever works. The simple truth is war is generally the only thing that precipices regime change, and you Libs cry like babies every time that option is on the table.

Perhaps we could stop interfering in their political processes and undermining their democratically elected governments ?

Analysis | The long history of the U.S. interfering with elections elsewhere

It is difficult for these countries to build stable institutions when super powers remove their governments like pawns on a board.

I am not singling out the US here. Britain has a history of villiany in respect of its empire and we are still paying off the legacy of that. France also has blood on its hands.

lol gee this a great point, because none of these countries ever interfered in any other countries' business, just the EVul Euro Colonialists did that, in the entire history of humans.

Look at Evul Amurka, for instance, nobody ever bothered us, we just up and invaded everybody else for no reason, the rest of the world being populated by happy little pot smoking hobbits who never wanted anything more than to sit around Thinking Profound and Wise Thoughts, while dancing their traditonal happy lil folk dances and sitting around on colorful rugs, making their indigenous handicafts to sell to tourists while their happy children sang cute native songs and stuff.

Gosh, once the debate is defined so clearly, it certainly becomes obvious who is at fault and needs to change, right? .... lol lol lol this board gets funnier and funnier all the time.

 

[sartre play]

There is a problem with immigration, problem is neither side is addressing the issue with anything close to honesty.

 

[Toronado3800]

I think a lot of the "debate" around immigration misses the point.

People are very quick to condemn immigrants from whatever country they come from but rarely do they look at why people are so keen to move to Western Europe or the US/Canada.

I know that there are a lot of people displaced by the various wars going on but the real reason is inequality.

Poland is a beautiful country but a Polish Doctor can earn as much sitting on a supermarket till in the UK. Its the same for Romanians.

The inequality is greater the further south that you travel.

I imagine that it is the same in the Americas.

Why would you want to live in a corrupt narco state when hard work would see ou ive like a King in the US ?

Wester countries need to look at their relationships with the developing world and see how they can move these countries forward.

A world with reduced inequalities will be a more peaceful and stable world.

And it ultimately works in our favour as new markets are created for Western goods.

Wrong...we understand why they come here and we sympathize with their plight. The problem is, we have rules for entering the country, and when you ignore those rules for millions of people, you destroy the country.

The problem isn't American immigration law, the problem is the home country of the immigrants....by taking these people in, you keep those countries from having to fix their problems.

How about we agree there are many problems here. One not mentioned yet is capitalistic criminals in America hiring illegals to subvert our laws and avoid paying their fair share of taxes. Then those criminals who undermine our ability to fund nuclear submarines to fight the Chinese don't end up in jail.