CDZ Immigration is not the problem. Inequality is the problem.

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    I think a lot of the "debate" around immigration misses the point.

    People are very quick to condemn immigrants from whatever country they come from but rarely do they look at why people are so keen to move to Western Europe or the US/Canada.

    I know that there are a lot of people displaced by the various wars going on but the real reason is inequality.

    Poland is a beautiful country but a Polish Doctor can earn as much sitting on a supermarket till in the UK. Its the same for Romanians.

    The inequality is greater the further south that you travel.

    I imagine that it is the same in the Americas.

    Why would you want to live in a corrupt narco state when hard work would see ou ive like a King in the US ?

    Wester countries need to look at their relationships with the developing world and see how they can move these countries forward.

    A world with reduced inequalities will be a more peaceful and stable world.

    And it ultimately works in our favour as new markets are created for Western goods.
     
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    Wrong...we understand why they come here and we sympathize with their plight. The problem is, we have rules for entering the country, and when you ignore those rules for millions of people, you destroy the country.

    The problem isn't American immigration law, the problem is the home country of the immigrants....by taking these people in, you keep those countries from having to fix their problems.
     
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    While I agree with much of what you said, in the US, the debate is more on a legal vs. illegal immigration level. To the best of my knowledge, no one is saying we should not allow immigration, other than a temporary halt, so we can get our shi(oops) act together.
    It may be that folks in Europe are wishing to stop all immigration on a more permanent basis, however, any elected official daring to udder such things here would likely be run out of office in pretty short order (for now at least).
     
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    I think everybody will have a different take on immigration dependent on what they see in their everyday lives.

    The rhetoric seldom gets beyond the building of walls and , in Europe, the ending of free movement. We never seem to look further for solutions.

    If people were happy where they live then they wouldnt uproot and make dangerous journeys.

    Of course war and famine are big factors but economic migrants just want a better life.

    What could,or would, the West do to help facilitate this ?
     
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    very nice....how nice.....:bs1::clap2:.sounds good--------------------on paper
    relationships?? how will this affect the problems??
    the US is damned if we do and damned if we don't ''help'' countries

    condemn?? no--we just don't want more immigration/illegals/etc--this is NOT wrong/evil/racist/etc
     
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    People do not condemn immigrants....... they rightly condemn ILLEGAL ALIENS who are NOT legal immigrants. See...leftists start the argument with a falsehood and then build on it.
     
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    exactly
    I don't HATE immigrants
    criminals I do hate
     
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    All men are created equal. However, it is up to them to keep the pace

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    Every time America has tried to 'facilitate' a country's coming out of corrupt, socialist, reign, we get told to stop 'nation building.'
     
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    It’s a nice, albeit naive wish that better developed countries can lift up the lesser developed ones, but the reality is quite different. Most of the underdeveloped nations are run by extraordinarily corrupt regimes who have no interest in ceding their power to the citizenship. So what are we suppose to do? Negotiate- it’s always being tried and rarely if ever works. The simple truth is war is generally the only thing that precipices regime change, and you Libs cry like babies every time that option is on the table.
     
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